Question About Mary ??

[Pixie_Dust]

It doesn’t matter whether it dogmatic. Your RCC teaches such blasphemy. That is a false gospel and you know it. You should also know what happens to those who preach a false gospel and it ain’t pretty.

The RCC teaches that Jesus died on the cross for the sins of the world, and that he rose again on the third day according to the Scriptures. The RCC teaches that it is ONLY by the Grace of God that any of us are saved. Is that a false gospel?

 

[believers]

No it isn’t.

Jesus is God made flesh.

Is not Mary the Mother of Jesus?

Is not Jesus both God and Man?

Therefore, Mary the Mother of God.

Unless you can tell me that Jesus is not God, then I won’t call Mary the Mother of God.

You are just one un-educated Christian who doesn’t seem to grasp the title Mother of God.

Are you kidding? This statement is complete blasphemy “whosoever dies wearing this scapular shall not suffer eternal fire”

Jhn 10:1
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.

 

[believers]

The RCC teaches that Jesus died on the cross for the sins of the world, and that he rose again on the third day according to the Scriptures. The RCC teaches that it is ONLY by the Grace of God that any of us are saved. Is that a false gospel?

A lot of truth mixed with a little lie makes for a great deception.

1Cr 5:6 Your glorying [is] not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump?

Gal 5:9 A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump.

 

[Pixie_Dust]

God cannot be divided as you claim. If Mary is the mother of God then she is mother of the Trinity.

You’re the one dividing Christ’s human-ness from His Divinity. Or do you not believe that Mary carried Jesus in her womb for 9 months? Or that Jesus got his Divinity at another time, later on in His life? He wasn’t always God and Man? Is that what you think?

 

[JustinApologist]

God cannot be divided as you claim. If Mary is the mother of God then she is mother of the Trinity.

I heard that argument. Of course the Trinity cannot be divided. The Trinity however, is Three Persons but One God. Since Jesus is the Second Person of the Trinity, he is God.

Mary gave birth to a PERSON, Jesus, the Second Person of the Trinity. Therefore, she is the Mother of God.

She is not the Mother of God, the Father, nor is she the Mother of the Holy Spirit.

She is the Daughter of the Father, and the Spouse of the Holy Spirit because by the Power of the Holy Spirit, Jesus was born of the Virgin Mary.

 

[believers]

You’re the one dividing Christ’s human-ness from His Divinity. Or do you not believe that Mary carried Jesus in her womb for 9 months? Or that Jesus got his Divinity at another time, later on in His life? He wasn’t always God and Man? Is that what you think?

The Trinity cannot be divided. Biblical Mary is not the mother of the Biblical God (Theos). Your RCC Mary is the mother of a (theo)

 

[Pixie_Dust]

A lot of truth mixed with a little lie makes for a great deception.

1Cr 5:6 Your glorying [is] not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump?

Gal 5:9 A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump.

I John 4:1-3 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

2Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:

3And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God:

I’m not the one denying the Divinity of Christ …

 

[JustinApologist]

Are you kidding? This statement is complete blasphemy “whosoever dies wearing this scapular shall not suffer eternal fire”

Jhn 10:1
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.

I already address this. The scapular is devotion and its origin is part of private revelation.

The Catechism states this about Private Revelation:

67 Throughout the ages, there have been so-called “private” revelations, some of which have been recognized by the authority of the Church. They do not belong, however, to the deposit of faith. It is not their role to improve or complete Christ’s definitive Revelation, but to help live more fully by it in a certain period of history. Guided by the Magisterium of the Church, the sensus fidelium knows how to discern and welcome in these revelations whatever constitutes an authentic call of Christ or his saints to the Church.

Christian faith cannot accept “revelations” that claim to surpass or correct the Revelation of which Christ is the fulfillment, as is the case in certain non-Christian religions and also in certain recent sects which base themselves on such “revelations”.

Stop calling us that our belief as blasphemy! We did not call any of your belief blasphemous? Do you just come here to insult us. I find your remarks extremely offensive to us Catholics.

 

[believers]

I heard that argument. Of course the Trinity cannot be divided. The Trinity however, is Three Persons but One God. Since Jesus is the Second Person of the Trinity, he is God.

Mary gave birth to a PERSON, Jesus, the Second Person of the Trinity. Therefore, she is the Mother of God.

She is not the Mother of God, the Father, nor is she the Mother of the Holy Spirit.

She is the Daughter of the Father, and the Spouse of the Holy Spirit because by the Power of the Holy Spirit, Jesus was born of the Virgin Mary.

Then you should listen.
Jhn 10:30 I and [my] Father are one.

 

[JustinApologist]

Then you should listen.
Jhn 10:30 I and [my] Father are one.

I know that because the Trinity is Three in One. You should stop making offensive statement against the Catholic Church. This is not evangelicizing, this is insulting, and you have no regard to respect our belief. I’m new here and I didn’t expect you to be som offensive and ugly in its tone.

 

[believers]

I know that because the Trinity is Three in One. You should stop making offensive statement against the Catholic Church. This is not evangelicizing, this is insulting, and you have no regard to respect our belief. I’m new here and I didn’t expect you to be som offensive and ugly in its tone.

It is offensive to you because the truth has edges. That is why the Word of God is referred to as being sharper than a two-edged sword.

 

[water]

It is offensive to you because the truth has edges. That is why the Word of God is referred to as being sharper than a two-edged sword.

Truth has edges, so you said.
So, how many edges does the Word of God have?

 

[believers]

I John 4:1-3 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

2Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:

3And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God:

I’m not the one denying the Divinity of Christ …

This statement comes from the self proclaimed “one true church”. Now, just ask yourself this question… Is this statement true?

“whosoever dies wearing this scapular shall not suffer eternal fire”.

 

[denver_faithful]

Ah, but Jesus founded the church to carry out God’s will and the church does say she was a virgin until her death and if the until bothers you she was a virgin after her death as well.

I think the other posters have shown you proof enough what the correct interpretation of those verses are and you just aren’t secure enough in your religious beliefs to acknowledge that!

Pheash

 

[water]

This statement comes from the self proclaimed “one true church”. Now, just ask yourself this question… Is this statement true?

“whosoever dies wearing this scapular shall not suffer eternal fire”.

There you go again, pick one phrase out of the whole message. Just exactly how you do with the Bible, huh!

 

[believers]

Truth has edges, so you said.
So, how many edges does the Word of God have?

Why don’t you ask the Holy Spirit? He inspired it.

Hbr 4:12 For the word of God [is] quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and [is] a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

 

[water]

Why don’t you ask the Holy Spirit? He inspired it.

Hbr 4:12 For the word of God [is] quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and [is] a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

I am asking you since you thought you are inspired.

 

[believers]

There you go again, pick one phrase out of the whole message. Just exactly how you do with the Bible, huh!

Ok water, time to put your faith in your religion to the test. Is this statement true or false?

“whosoever dies wearing this scapular shall not suffer eternal fire”.

 

[JustinApologist]

It is offensive to you because the truth has edges. That is why the Word of God is referred to as being sharper than a two-edged sword.

What is offensive is that Jesus lied to us and didn’t establish a Church because according to your logic, the gates of hell did not prevail. Jesus promised his Church will prevail to the end.

Jesus of course did not lie. He remains with his Church.

The truth which you speak of is divided. How do you explain the thousands of varies interpretation of Scripture from varies Protestant denomination?

I recall St. Paul said, that none will teach no different doctrine. I see divisions in Protestantism. I see unity in the Catholic Church because the Mother Church’s deposit of faith is unchanging.

I do not believe the Holy Spirit will give us different interpretation. I have read Christian History and took Religion courses. Back then, the Early Christian Church started as Catholic. Saint Ignatius of Antioch said in 107, where there is Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church."

There was a schism in 1054 AD between the E. Orthodox and W. Christianity Catholic. Yet these two lungs of the Mystical Body of Jesus Christ retain Apostolic Succession.

I can only trace Protestantism in 1517 with Martin Luther, a man-made religion.

The teachings of the Catholic Church in the grounds of morality and faith has remain unchanged. It’s been consistent. Protestantism isn’t consistent. I’m sorry to say, Protestantism itself only contain partial truths. The Catholic Church is the only Church that is the fullness of Truth.

I don’t believe the Protestant theology is very binding, and I was looking over these post and the majority of your Protestant brothers and sisters do not believe their interpretation is infallible.

There is only one Church that claims infallibility when it comes to Teaching Authority. It is the Bride the Lamb, the Church. The Catholic Church.

One more thing, if the Catholic Church in 431 AD declared Mary as the Mother of God. She is the Mother of God.

Unless you claim yourself infallible in terms of moral and faith, you have** no authority **to declare Mary is not the Mother of God.

 

[water]

Here is about Brown Scapular

“Those who die wearing this scapular shall not suffer eternal fire.” This must not be understood superstitiously or magically, but in light of Catholic teaching that perseverance in faith, hope and love are required for salvation. The scapular is a powerful reminder of this Christian obligation and of Mary’s promise to help those consecrated to her obtain the grace of final perseverance.

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