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legendashmore
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benedictgal
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Actually, choy was the one who made that statement, but, did not provide any proof to back up his claim. Constatine only quoted the same document that you quoted, but, again, offered no proof about the manner in which this is done in the Phillipines.
Nonetheless, since the incident occured in the United States, there is no provision for any audible ejaculations nor singing by the faithful within the Consecration itself. Thus your point is moot.
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ProVobis
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ejaculation:
2 : something ejaculated; especially : a short sudden emotional utterance.
That works here.
And it carries an indulgence of seven years and seven quarantines, Pope Pius X, May 18, 1907. Just thought I’d add that little tidbit of information.
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gh4
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We’ve decided to write the Bishop and will be composing this letter this week or this coming weekend.
Just a note, our Priest gives GREAT homilies! I like this Priest a lot, and my goal is NOT to hurt him or make him hate me.
We were all together last evening to do the rosary and he treated us normally and does not seem to be upset, and that makes me happy.
Just a note, our Priest gives GREAT homilies! I like this Priest a lot, and my goal is NOT to hurt him or make him hate me.
We were all together last evening to do the rosary and he treated us normally and does not seem to be upset, and that makes me happy.
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ConstantineTG
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If it adds any credibility, I am Filipino and I live in the Philippines for 30 years until about 3 years ago when I moved to Canada. That is why I know these things. At some point in the past, I can’t remember the exact dates, but the people were asked to say, “My Lord and my God” after the consecration of the bread, and again after the consecration of the wine. This has been uniformly implemented across all parishes in the archdiocese. In the Philippines most people aren’t loyal to a single parish (parish registration is an unheard of concept there) so in a given month someone like myself could be attending Mass at a different parish every Sunday.
Also, I agree that in the US there is no such provision for this acclamation. But I am merely offering an explanation of why there could be one. Because people travel around, someone from a place where people do make the said acclimation may have expected a universal practice of such acclimation. Then other people just started practicing it. Truth is most people are not aware of such subtle differences in the Liturgy around the world. For example, when I first attended Mass in North America, I was surprised that the sign of peace involved handshaking. This is not the case in other parts of the world.
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benedictgal
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It’s not that I am unable to take your word for it; however, I have visited the CBCP website and they do not have their version of the GIRM available online. I even checked the Vatican’s website, but, they do not have one available for the Philippines. It does have the GIRM grouped by languages, but, the Spanish version is, more than likely, the one used for Spain just as the English version of the GIRM the Holy See has is the one for the United States. It just seems rather strange that they would allow this particular ejaculation to be said audibly after the consecration of each species. You also state that this was done at the archdiocesan level. This is not something that the archbishop can take upon himself to do. The GIRM specifically states that any adaptations need to come from the actual national episcopal conference, after they have received the necessary 2/3 vote of its Latin rite bishops and the proposal receives the necessary recognitio from Rome.
Regarding your second paragraph, what the celebrant needs to do is to read the GIRM of the country he is in to see what is and what is not to be done. He cannot take it upon himself to do something in one country that is not allowed in his present location.
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ConstantineTG
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Sadly, modernization is taking its time in the Philippines. The CBCP website is not up-to-date. The Philippines is still a mix of the new and old. Call centers all around flounting the latest technology, but the government and even the Church are still mostly pen and paper. People there still don’t see much of the value of going online as most of the population are poor anyway, so they won’t be able to go online and read.
I do have faith in our leadership there that they will not introduce abuses. There are abuses on the parish level but I don’t think the bishops would allow them. Although Metro Manila is a large metropolis of about 16 million people, currently its split into the Archdiocese of Manila and the Diocese of Cubao.
I do not know if there are still any parishes currently using Spanish, the use of the language quickly died out in the 50 years the US has occupied the Philippines after the 333 years of Spain. Mainly because the US established public education and used English as the main language of instruction. This is why the Philippines is one of the countries that took part in the revision for the New Roman Missal. 70% of Masses are in English by my estimates. The other 20% will be in the National Language of Filipino/Tagalog, the last 10% will be the other major local dialects offered in their respective provinces.
I would have no doubt that the implementation is nationwide by the CBCP. But I rarely go outside the 2 diocese in the captial metropolitan area. But when I do I see no difference in acclimations. I think the CBCP does a very good job ensuring uniformity in Liturgy throughout the country. But as I said, I can only accurately verify that it is uniformly implemented within the Archdiocese of Manila and Diocese of Cubao (they used to be one archdiocese).
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