Question about modesty?

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phil_at_dayboro said:
It’s just evolution, it continually evolves into different styles and colors,
Just something we all just must accept, unless of course you wish to go the other way like some religious belief and be covered from head to toe,that could be even worse,
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Why must we accept it?
 
Robles said:
" I have heard a man preaching that before his conversion he used to go to McDonalds and sit there and check out girls butts. He said that he would even get orgasms by just sitting there watching normal moms in tight pants order their happy meals for their children. These innocent moms with their children did not know that their skin tight pants are really revealing what "should remain hidden
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With all due respect ,this guy sounds sick and he probably would have gotten turned on even if these women had been wearing ankle length denim skirts.
 
I have heard from a good friend of mine in high school in the mid-70s that, when the style had gone from short skirts to "midi"s, he was turned on by a knee rather than what he could see in a short skirt.
 
Maria65 said:
Why must we accept it?
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Why must not we accept it? Are you in favor of any Golden Ages of past? What are they? Could you give me examples? Do you scan the past in order to show the bad laws, the bad habits, the bad mentalities, the wrong ideologies, the wrong philosophies in link with this topic?

Do you regret the victorian time in England about modesty? Do you regret the puritan time about modesty in the USA? Do you regret the catharist time about modesty in France? Do you regret the jansenist time about modesty in France? Do you regret the civil laws and the penal laws against the trousers for women and against the bikini for women (in Spain under the General Franco)? Do you support a theocratic State, per se? Do you support the Mormon mentality about modesty? Do you support the Muslim mentality about modesty? Do you support the crazy catholic movements about modesty?

Why this nostalgia of past times? What is your favorite time about the modesty? When and where?
Do you want to ban the bikini by the penal law? Do you want to ban the female trousers by the penal law? Do you want to promote the veil on the female hairs in the street? …etc.
 
As catholic lay person, morally speaking, we can not and we do not have to support:

The Mormon doctrine and the Mormon practice about the modesty;
The Catharist doctrine and the Catharist practice about the modesty;
The Jansenist doctrine and the Jansenist practice about the modesty;
The Puritan doctrine and the Puritan practice about the modesty;
The Victorian doctrine and the Victorian practice about the modesty;
The Anglican doctrine and the Anglican practice about the modesty;
The Protestant Evangelical doctrine and the Protestant Evangelical practice about the modesty;
The doctrines of the born again and the practice of the born again about the modesty;
The doctrine of the SSPX and her friends and or of sedevacantists, and the practice of the SSPX and her friends and or of sedevacantists about the modesty;
The doctrines of some catholic lay persons very activist on the web who are using false documents about the modesty;

ETC…

We are catholic: faith and reason and reason and faith are very important. The moderation, the balance, the intelligence and the reason are very important for discerning. Not be stupid, not be the simple followers of “catholic gurus”…

Be careful!!!
 
Maria65 said:
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Are you waiting a official document from the Holy See with the Pope’s signature , with the pontifical infallibility, explaining that, per se and morally speaking, the wearing of the bikini for a woman is always morally wrong, thus it is, by nature, sinful? **The same for the female trousers!!! **If yes, you do not understand the catholicism and the catholicity. In this situation , you need to read the catechism and co with a “truly catholic interpreter”.

No catholic has the power and the competence of stating that the wearing of bikini or trouser for a woman is, by nature, a sinful action. There is no presumption of sin. The simple fact of saying the contrary is a big symptom of…

In my humble opinion, even the pope cannot, his competence is limited by the respect Natural law, by the will of God. The competence of his competence coming from the natural law and coming from the divine law: competence and incompetence!!!
 
^^^ You’re my favorite poster, srs. You’re like a Catholic Pepé Le Pew 😃
 
To the poster discussing their biceps being an “occasion of sin”…have you taken a good look at who is front and center on the Cross? Jesus is generally up there in a loincloth. When you watch the vast majority of movies that take place during that era men don’t wear much while working. Think along the lines of the movies with the Jewish people enslaved in Egypt. The men don’t usually wear much, but that was appropriate for the culture. It was hot out there.

We know Jesus spent a lot of time most likely in big loose robes (probably breezy and prevented sunburn). That was the fashion for the time. Do you think men today are creating “occasions of sin” because women see the outline of their bodies so much better than in the robes that Jesus likely wore?

Clothes and modesty are all about the time, place, and culture. Even the loosest men’s clothing today tells us a lot more about the male shape than the robes of Jesus’s time, but you don’t see threads filled to the brim with people lamenting those scandalous men and their suits.
 
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