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Dorothy
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Yes, of course you can maneuver it. But…that doesn’t nullify that evil spirits use it when the participants are not maneuvering it.
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Edward_Henry
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The dark side is way more ancient and clever than you. The fact that it has not yet acted when you play with it. does not mean that he is not there. He may not want to scare you away yet. And he needs skeptical people to “discredit” its actual danger. But please don’t be fooled, if you put your hand inside a cobra’s cage, and you are still alive, it only means that he is taking his time. I would not tempt my luck.
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Paul_theApostle
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Communicating with dead spirits or demons is Necromancy which God forbids the practice of.
Anybody here who denies that this practice really exists,seriously why are you even on this Christian forum? or do you just pick and choose what you want to believe out from the Bible and disbelieve the rest?
Years ago i went over to a friends house where on the table they had the letters of the boardgame Scrabble in a circle,and in the middle we put our finger on the upsidedown glass.
One of the girls had done these things many times before but i was very curious and thought it was harmless fun and exiting.
She would talk to the spirits intensly asking what would happen in the future with her family.
The glass would move around to the letters and sometimes move violently tipping over at times.
One spirit said it knew me and i communicated with it while i thought it was one of my deceased relatives,it answered questions with the letters that the other girl using the glass wouldnt have known ,so it was obvious anyhow that there was some force or spirit moving the glass around.
For many years after and stiil now a bit, life was anything but pleasant,more like Spiritual HELL.
Anybody here who denies that this practice really exists,seriously why are you even on this Christian forum? or do you just pick and choose what you want to believe out from the Bible and disbelieve the rest?
Years ago i went over to a friends house where on the table they had the letters of the boardgame Scrabble in a circle,and in the middle we put our finger on the upsidedown glass.
One of the girls had done these things many times before but i was very curious and thought it was harmless fun and exiting.
She would talk to the spirits intensly asking what would happen in the future with her family.
The glass would move around to the letters and sometimes move violently tipping over at times.
One spirit said it knew me and i communicated with it while i thought it was one of my deceased relatives,it answered questions with the letters that the other girl using the glass wouldnt have known ,so it was obvious anyhow that there was some force or spirit moving the glass around.
For many years after and stiil now a bit, life was anything but pleasant,more like Spiritual HELL.
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Rascalking
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We’re not going to win this debate. Let people believe what they want.
Luckily, the majority of Catholics in the non-internet world realize that it’s pure rubbish.
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Edward_Henry
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Yes, and the majority of people laughing at Christopher Columbus thought the the world was square… yet it did not make it so!
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Rascalking
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Your totally on to something. I’m throwing away my Magic 8 ball. It might cause me to go on a killing spree.
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Paul_theApostle
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mormondialogue.org/Your totally on to something. I’m throwing away my Magic 8 ball. It might cause me to go on a killing spree.
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Samson01
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Didn’t St. Paul write in scripture about “what makes your brother sin” ? He explained, though it may not be a problem for you, don’t make it a stummbleing block for them…? I wish I could find that scripture. It would come in handy on threads like this, Potter threads…
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Rascalking
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Thanks! Even though my religion status here is clearly a joke, (I’m Catholic) It’s always nice to see a new chat room.
I’ll pass on that one though, thanks anyway.
My etch-a-sketch just got up and started dancing around the room! Should I not use those anymore either?
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Paul_theApostle
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Your attitude to an extremely serious issue of NECROMANCY is just rotten.
Communicating with dead spirits is highly condemned in the Bible and a Ouiji board can and is a tool that is used for this practice as well as i have written regarding simple letter pieces and a glass,but mainly the souls of the participants with a WILLING spirit of participating in this communication.
If you have never been involved in such practices ,stop making a joke of it because many have seen its results and have become seriously affected by getting in touch with Demonic Spirits through the means of these boards or other means.
God help you and just go on another thread.
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Rascalking
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Paul_theApostle
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yeah and love is all a bunch of roses…
well from someone who did get involved and getting possesed and living a life of hell pardon me getting worked up over your jokes over the issue
well from someone who did get involved and getting possesed and living a life of hell pardon me getting worked up over your jokes over the issue
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Rascalking
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Laughter is the best way to beat the devil.
God bless my friend. And I mean THAT in all seriousness.
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FromTheAshes777
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I’ve heard Ouija boards described as basically a game of spiritual Russian roulette. You may play it a few times and nothing at all will happen, but keep playing and eventually you may take a spiritual hit that could just be lethal…
it’s just not smart, probably grave matter, and based on the stories from others I have heard… :frighten:
I don’t plan on even being in the same building with one of those things EVER.
it’s just not smart, probably grave matter, and based on the stories from others I have heard… :frighten:
I don’t plan on even being in the same building with one of those things EVER.
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Paul_theApostle
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Bohm_Bawerk
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Unfortunately, many Catholics (sometimes even well-meaning) disregard anything supernatural to do with the occult as a “fantasy” or “made up”. They laugh it off thinking that doing so makes it any less real. It doesn’t. One philosopher was right when he said “The Truth is strange - stranger than fiction”.
In reality, the devil has many powers. This is because the devil was originally created as one of the best of God’s angels (Ezekiel 28:13), but then rebelled and became a fallen angel. As a fallen angel, the devil still retains many of the powers he was originally gifted with. The devil often times gives these powers onto those who are trying desperately to contact it. Such powers include anything from fortune-telling, turning invisible, making people ill, and so forth. As a rule of thumb, the devil can only destroy, never create. In the Bible, the devil was given the temporary authority by God to control the weather (Job 1:16). Historically, the devil beat St. Padre Pio up every night for his piety. The devil is real all right, and just because you deny his existence doesn’t make you smart. It does not turn you into an overnight neurosurgeon. Quite to the contrary, it simply means you are denying the obvious. It means you’ve been fooled. Tricked. Deceived. “Had”. Indeed, one person said the greatest trick the devil ever did was convince people he did not exist. To that end, the second greatest trick the devil ever did was convince people he was without power and was a little harmless beast holding a pitchfork.
One objection I’ve heard on several occasions is that those who realize the reality of the devil are “granting him too much power”. Not at all. We merely realize the nature of the spiritual world. The Bible regards the devil as a “prince of this world” (2 Corinthians 4:4; John 12:31) for a very good reason. When you realize who exactly the devil is, you also begin to understand just how much more powerful God is. You ask yourself, “if the devil is that powerful, assuredly, God must be infinitely more times powerful”. After all, the devil answers to God, and has to (on many ocassions) request God’s permission to do anything. You begin to appreciate God’s omnipotence. You also begin to appreciate the power of invoking the Blessed Virgin Mary and St. Michael the Archangel. What use is St. Michael were it not for spiritual warfare? What use is it for the Blessed Virgin Mary to “crush the head of the serpent” (Genesis 3:15), were it not for the fact that the serpent had some hold on the lives of a number of people? To consider the devil as powerless, and even more so to scoff at those who have been harmed at the devil, is an inadvertent attack on the authenticity of the Bible. I’ve made the observation that those who believe the devil is a work of fiction also tend to believe God is a work of fiction as well. Either they believe God is a work of fiction, or they are fast heading in that direction.
We shouldn’t be indulging in occult practices. Open your Bible and read it. God goes into great length in the Book of Deuteronomy explaining how He despises those who go into occult practices. It is an abominable practice - period. We ought to take Jesus’ “talk to the hand” approach to the devil - “Get behind me Satan” (Matthew 16:23), not try and put ourselves in harm’s way.
In reality, the devil has many powers. This is because the devil was originally created as one of the best of God’s angels (Ezekiel 28:13), but then rebelled and became a fallen angel. As a fallen angel, the devil still retains many of the powers he was originally gifted with. The devil often times gives these powers onto those who are trying desperately to contact it. Such powers include anything from fortune-telling, turning invisible, making people ill, and so forth. As a rule of thumb, the devil can only destroy, never create. In the Bible, the devil was given the temporary authority by God to control the weather (Job 1:16). Historically, the devil beat St. Padre Pio up every night for his piety. The devil is real all right, and just because you deny his existence doesn’t make you smart. It does not turn you into an overnight neurosurgeon. Quite to the contrary, it simply means you are denying the obvious. It means you’ve been fooled. Tricked. Deceived. “Had”. Indeed, one person said the greatest trick the devil ever did was convince people he did not exist. To that end, the second greatest trick the devil ever did was convince people he was without power and was a little harmless beast holding a pitchfork.
One objection I’ve heard on several occasions is that those who realize the reality of the devil are “granting him too much power”. Not at all. We merely realize the nature of the spiritual world. The Bible regards the devil as a “prince of this world” (2 Corinthians 4:4; John 12:31) for a very good reason. When you realize who exactly the devil is, you also begin to understand just how much more powerful God is. You ask yourself, “if the devil is that powerful, assuredly, God must be infinitely more times powerful”. After all, the devil answers to God, and has to (on many ocassions) request God’s permission to do anything. You begin to appreciate God’s omnipotence. You also begin to appreciate the power of invoking the Blessed Virgin Mary and St. Michael the Archangel. What use is St. Michael were it not for spiritual warfare? What use is it for the Blessed Virgin Mary to “crush the head of the serpent” (Genesis 3:15), were it not for the fact that the serpent had some hold on the lives of a number of people? To consider the devil as powerless, and even more so to scoff at those who have been harmed at the devil, is an inadvertent attack on the authenticity of the Bible. I’ve made the observation that those who believe the devil is a work of fiction also tend to believe God is a work of fiction as well. Either they believe God is a work of fiction, or they are fast heading in that direction.
We shouldn’t be indulging in occult practices. Open your Bible and read it. God goes into great length in the Book of Deuteronomy explaining how He despises those who go into occult practices. It is an abominable practice - period. We ought to take Jesus’ “talk to the hand” approach to the devil - “Get behind me Satan” (Matthew 16:23), not try and put ourselves in harm’s way.
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linnyclaire
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Yes, the board is just a piece of paper or inanimate object, but using it is wrong and absolutely dangerous. Not because things might move around the room or tables will shake, plently of physical signs have manifested in God’s presence or an angel appearing- but because you are engaging in a practice that is sinful and by sinning you are opening yourself up to influence from satan. The ouija board represents this sin so you should stay away from this representation as well as from the practice. no one would hang a picture of satans face in their house and think it’s ok just because they dont worship him (this is an intentionally hyperbolic example for clarity) and I think this is similar.
A lot of Christians and Catholics in particular, myself included, see great value in object representations- we carry rosaries and wear crosses because they are representations of holy things meant to be positive and foster connection to Mary and Jesus and I believe this works both ways.
A lot of Christians and Catholics in particular, myself included, see great value in object representations- we carry rosaries and wear crosses because they are representations of holy things meant to be positive and foster connection to Mary and Jesus and I believe this works both ways.
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Rascalking
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Ok, I hear what your saying, but I respectfully disagree (Key word-respectfully)Why not Monopoly then? Is that sinful? Parcheesi? The board game, “Sorry”? What about my obsession-Chess?
Where is the line drawn? Just because something is pointless (And Ouiha boards are just that-pointless) doesn’t mean it’s sinful.
I stand by what I said-it’s the intention of the user that is sinful. If you play Cribbage (a great game I wish more people played) with the intent to worship Satan, you will. What’s the difference between a Cribbage board and a Ouija board?
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linnyclaire
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hahah some would argue that monopoly being a representation of capitalism IS the devil. All kidding aside, I do get what you saying and I know there are a a great many people who nay say all kinds of things in the name of the Lord and there has to be an understanding preventing us from getting carried away.
I think the line is drawn with the ouija board though because it is something specifically aimed at spiritual contact/interference/divination. Even if you tried to use the board for something considered harmless you are probably exposing yourself to negative influence. The previous passages cited by other posters are right, God doesn’t want us attempting sorcery. And evil is very insidious, you might not have an overt and clear experience of spiritual hell but that doesnt mean its not happening to you. Sometimes you don’t know it until you’re out. Shade is different from light even though it isnt full darkness.
I find no disrespect in your response either, in fact I think your opinion is probably majority to mine (excepting most of the other posts here). i think this kind of dialogue is important and if nothing else common among believers. I would urge you to consider the bible passages relevant to this though and be open to categorizing the ouija board as wrong. Not everything needs to be put in a box, but some things belong in one.
I think the line is drawn with the ouija board though because it is something specifically aimed at spiritual contact/interference/divination. Even if you tried to use the board for something considered harmless you are probably exposing yourself to negative influence. The previous passages cited by other posters are right, God doesn’t want us attempting sorcery. And evil is very insidious, you might not have an overt and clear experience of spiritual hell but that doesnt mean its not happening to you. Sometimes you don’t know it until you’re out. Shade is different from light even though it isnt full darkness.
I find no disrespect in your response either, in fact I think your opinion is probably majority to mine (excepting most of the other posts here). i think this kind of dialogue is important and if nothing else common among believers. I would urge you to consider the bible passages relevant to this though and be open to categorizing the ouija board as wrong. Not everything needs to be put in a box, but some things belong in one.
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adrift
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Your right of course. They are so into their mindset they cannot understand what we are saying or for that matter what that priest forty years ago taught us. I haven’t touched a board in about thrity years. Nothing happened because I didn’t give the devil a chance for it since I didn’t believe. He can do nothing without us believing. What the devil hates most is to be laughed at. That is what I did with the board.
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