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anon98328916
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Question about our conscience. Our conscience tells us right from wrong. Is it God that tells us this?
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pianistclare
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Beryllos
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I highly recommend that.
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Bookcat
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The Catechism there will cover the Conscience. (see 1778 espec.)
And quite importantly we are to form our conscience with the Teachings of the Church…etc
The Church Jesus founded and sent out to teach and make disciples
And quite importantly we are to form our conscience with the Teachings of the Church…etc
The Church Jesus founded and sent out to teach and make disciples
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Ad_Orientem
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While it is true that God speaks to us in the depth of our hearts, our conscience is not precisely the same thing as the Holy Ghost prompting us to do good or dissuading us from doing evil at a given moment. The conscience is a sense of right and wrong that is based on our knowledge and understanding, which can be flawed. It is therefore possible to think something is right when it is wrong, and vice versa. Nevertheless, since it is what we believe, we are obligated to follow our conscience even though it may be wrong. At the same time, we are also obligated to form our conscience, to the best of our ability, according to what is right and true, including all the Church’s teachings.
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ArielRussu
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And that is the very definition of brainwashing. To tell people that there thoughts and beliefs must align with what an organized institution teaches.
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Bookcat
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Hum somebody does not know what brainwashing is.
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o_mlly
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I think not. Brianwashing: make (someone) adopt radically different beliefs by using systematic and often forcible pressure.
The Church only proposes, she never imposes. Now, call it brain-healing and I think you’re OK.
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Ad_Orientem
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No more schools?
Why does it have to be an organized institution? Why ever impose beliefs on anyone? Is your assertion something we must believe? Ought to? Would you disapprove if we did not accept your beliefs about ‘brainwashing’?
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LittleFlower378
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Conscience is not a faculty of the soul but and ACT of the intellect where we judge something to be right or wrong. Our conscience must be formed by the Church.
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ArielRussu
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Mind control is a better word then, though brainwashing is a form of mind control.
Anyway, telling someone they must form there conscious around the rules and regulations of an organization that demands unquestioning obedience, like the Catholic Church, because the Church says they must, otherwise they are wrong and go to Hell when they die, as “there is no salvation outside the Catholic Church” is a form of mind control. Fear is linked with control. The greater the fear the tighter the control on a person for fear is a great motivator to make people think and do what an organization or individual wants them too, like conform to a set of rules and traditions made by infallible men.
This mandate creates a group of people incapable of thinking independently who thus depend on the Church for every actions and thought they have. Which is of course, where the small elite wants there followers to be. As there is a pressure to conform in the Catholic Church, one where disagreement is seen as heretical. Also it makes zero sense for someone to be obligated to follow there conscience yet if they’re conscious is not align with the Church, there conscious is not right so why would they follow there conscious let alone trust themselves to think “correctly”. Thus where the dependency and mind control sprouts.
m.youtube.com/watch?v=kmDYgL17thk
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Don’t forget the nuns who used to beat children back when nuns were allowed to teach in schools. I had a teacher who was left handed and a nun broke there hand with a ruler when they were in 2nd grade (back in the 50’s), telling them that they were “of the devil” cause they wrote with there left hand. The fingers healed without treatment too and too this day, there last two fingers look strange. My teachers parents took the teachers side too and told my teacher that they needed to listen to the nuns. Yeah, as if my teacher had any control over the way there brain developed. Left or right handedness has to do with brain lateralization, not possession by the Devil.
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Bookcat
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Someone has been watching too many science fiction movies.
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o_mlly
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A good Catholic is a questioning Catholic. Catholics who have the faculty to reason and do not question the doctrines of their faith suffer from fideism. While right reason may reach and agree with many of our articles of faith; right reason cannot conclude that any article of faith is irrational.
The Church proposes, not imposes, the truths in her deposit of faith. The instruction is “ought” not “must.” One excommunicates themselves when they doubt, not when they question.
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Bookcat
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No actually.
Such is only for very particular matters as a remedy to help one repent of the sin and to underline the extreme seriousness of the matter.
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Bookcat
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Church Teaching regarding Conscience:
Catechism of the Catholic Church
scborromeo.org/ccc/p3s1c1a6.htm#1776
Catechism of the Catholic Church
scborromeo.org/ccc/p3s1c1a6.htm#1776
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o_mlly
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Yes, actually. The obstinate doubter is a heretic and is exommuncated latae sententiae.
Can. 751 Heresy is the obstinate denial or obstinate doubt after the reception of baptism of some truth which is to be believed by divine and Catholic faith …
Can. 1364 §1. … an apostate from the faith, a heretic, or a schismatic incurs a latae sententiae excommunication…
Excommunication is always medicinal whether latae sententiae or formally imposed.
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Bookcat
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Right more* extreme* matters than just doubts.
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JimG
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I would amend that but just a little. The intellect is a faculty of the soul, and conscience is an act of the intellect whereby we make moral judgments as to right and wrong.
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ArielRussu
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No, a good Catholic does what the Church says they should do otherwise they risk sinning and going to Hell. Catholicism doesn’t need a reason for the rules, and decrees it makes other than the claim of being the one true church, which automatically = they have the power to enforce what they want and need no reason too other than “the Church says so”. Of course, they give reasons to be more convincing to followers, who must then, if they want to be in communion with the Church, must accept as truth or at least humble themselves and accept without full understanding because the reason is “above human comprehension”.
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o_mlly
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A good Catholic does what the Church teaches because they will to do so.
If one’s conscience does not accord with the teachings of the Magisterium, Scripture and Tradition then one may and must work out their questions through prayer and study. One remains Catholic during this discernment period. When one stops working on reconciling one’s conscience with the teaching and chooses to doubt then one excommunicates oneself from the Church. The discernment period of questioning the truths of our faith for some may last a lifetime.
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