Question about PETA

[spencelo]

I detest PETA because they are a group that exploits women and promotes the murder of babies and values animal life over humans.

peta.org/about/faq/What-is-PETAs-stance-on-abortion.aspx

“PETA does not have a position on the abortion issue, because our focus as an organization is the alleviation of the suffering inflicted on nonhuman animals. There are people on both sides of the abortion issue in the animal rights movement, just as there are people on both sides of animal rights issues in the pro-life movement. And just as the pro-life movement has no official position on animal rights, neither does the animal rights movement have an official position on abortion.”

 

[Crescentinus]

Ironic but 80% of PETA members are pro choice.

I will never call that an irony since it’s an insult to irony itself.
Some have argued that PETA’s hypocrisy stems from their stance on that particular issue at least.

 

[Crescentinus]

I detest PETA because they are a group that exploits women and promotes the murder of babies and values animal life over humans.

Their X-rated ad campaigns are more than nauseating. They like to take women and dress them up in “lettuce” bikinis and promote a “Veganism is sexy” not to mention they had one ad that promotes female abuse By having a woman in a neck brace looking beat up and disheveled buying veggies, only to return to a trashy apartment where her boyfriend is sitting on the bed (basically she’s “beat up” because they were having sex and the man is “more powerful” thanks to his veganism)

It’s sick, it’s a sick evil group that promote nothing but death and female exploitation…say what you want about Playboy…at least they are getting paid to be exploited and the women aren’t brainwashed to think that an ant’s life is more important than a baby and laws must be enacted to kill more babies to save the ants.

^I’ve seen PETA’s idiotic stunts over the years and I agree with you. They try to use sex to sell veganism. And yet it never really worked because they assume that most of their target audience are perverts who follow every idiotic action coming from Hollywood. What they do are insulting to their advocacy. They had given vegetarians and vegans an extremely bad name.

The result of their actions had not been very effective to say the least. This is mostly due to two reasons:

1. People have mostly chosen to ignore PETA because they keep doing idiotic stunts instead of focusing on their advocacy.
2. PETA is very alarmist in their message and they use idiotic stunts to overcompensate for the emptiness of how they present their message.

 

[DCNBILL]

In making this thread, my intent isn’t to argue or defend any particular viewpoint (so my intent is to comply with forum rules), nor will I do so in any of my responses. I just want to ask a simple question: What do you have against PETA? That is, why do you dislike their organization and what they do so much?

Again, I will not defend PETA in this thread** in anyway**; I just wanna know your thoughts about them.

peta.org/

peta.org/about/faq/What-is-PETAs-stance-on-abortion.aspx

“PETA does not have a position on the abortion issue, because our focus as an organization is the alleviation of the suffering inflicted on nonhuman animals. There are people on both sides of the abortion issue in the animal rights movement, just as there are people on both sides of animal rights issues in the pro-life movement. And just as the pro-life movement has no official position on animal rights, neither does the animal rights movement have an official position on abortion.”

 

[CopticChristian]

peta.org/about/faq/What-is-PETAs-stance-on-abortion.aspx

“PETA does not have a position on the abortion issue, because **our focus **as an organization is the alleviation of the suffering inflicted on nonhuman animals. There are people on both sides of the abortion issue in the animal rights movement, just as there are people on both sides of animal rights issues in the pro-life movement. And just as the pro-life movement has no official position on animal rights, neither does the animal rights movement have an official position on abortion.”

Spence,

Now, now, now, your bias is showing and you are going back on your OP…

Again, I will not defend PETA in this thread in anyway; I just wanna know your thoughts about them.

 

[manualman]

There are rather a lot of things wrong in this world. PETA may raise a few valid issues here and there. But the overall focus and tone of the organization strikes me as comically unbalanced. Analogies help.

Imagine you are poor and live in a house without heat, without indoor plumbing, loaded with asbestos, you have no food and no source of income (and winter’s coming). PETA’s priorities in this world are roughly analogous to such a person being obsessed with how ugly the paint color in the living room is and focusing all their energies on obtaining paint to remodel in there.

That’s what I don’t like about PETA.

 

[austenbosten]

peta.org/about/faq/What-is-PETAs-stance-on-abortion.aspx

“PETA does not have a position on the abortion issue, because our focus as an organization is the alleviation of the suffering inflicted on nonhuman animals. There are people on both sides of the abortion issue in the animal rights movement, just as there are people on both sides of animal rights issues in the pro-life movement. And just as the pro-life movement has no official position on animal rights, neither does the animal rights movement have an official position on abortion.”

Fine PETA as a group has been dead silent on abortion. But many of their members are pro-abortion

PETA founder Ingrid Newkirk had this to say:

“I am not a morose person, but I would rather not be here. I don’t have any reverence for life, only for the entities themselves. I would rather see a blank space where I am. This will sound like fruitcake stuff again but at least I wouldn’t be harming anything.”
— Ingrid Newkirk, The Washington Post, Nov 1983

“Six million people died in concentration camps, but six billion broiler chickens will die this year in slaughterhouses. [emphasis added]”
— Ingrid Newkirk, The Washington Post, Nov 1983
(Yeah who cares about dem Jews…chickens are being eaten! )

“Humans have grown like a cancer. We’re the biggest blight on the face of the earth.”
— Ingrid Newkirk, Washingtonian magazine, Feb 1990

“There’s no rational basis for saying that a human being has special rights. A rat is a pig is a dog is a boy. They’re all animals.”
— Ingrid Newkirk, Washingtonian magazine, Aug 1986

“We are complete press sluts.”
— Ingrid Newkirk, in The New Yorker, Apr 2003
(Hey, at least she’s right on this)

Hmmm can you say abortion much?

 

[april32010]

“There’s no rational basis for saying that a human being has special rights. A rat is a pig is a dog is a boy. They’re all animals.”
— Ingrid Newkirk, Washingtonian magazine, Aug 1986

 

[april32010]

“Humans have grown like a cancer. We’re the biggest blight on the face of the earth.”
— Ingrid Newkirk, Washingtonian magazine, Feb 1990

 

[april32010]

“Six million people died in concentration camps, but six billion broiler chickens will die this year in slaughterhouses.”
— Ingrid Newkirk, The Washington Post, Nov 1983

 

[ringil]

PETA is nuts and their agenda goes way beyond vegetarianism. They desire humans to leave animals ENTIRELY alone meaning no eating, no milking, no pets, no fishing, no hunting, no animal research, no animal control for foreign species which have wreaked havoc over some biological systems in the world. They want some kind of primeval forest type world.

And the founder may be insane, or at least deeply emotionally scarred.

There are better places to spend one’s time and money if one is called to give charity to God’s creatures.

In their founding they did do one good thing in increasing awareness as to the conventional animal research practices at the time and partly as a result animal research studies are conducted in an ethical manner nowadays. So I can give them that.

 

[YKohen]

In making this thread, my intent isn’t to argue or defend any particular viewpoint (so my intent is to comply with forum rules), nor will I do so in any of my responses. I just want to ask a simple question: What do you have against PETA? That is, why do you dislike their organization and what they do so much?

Again, I will not defend PETA in this thread in anyway; I just wanna know your thoughts about them.

peta.org/

From a Jewish perspective, I think that they take a noble cause, the ethical treatment of animals, and they elevate it to the extreme.

People and animals are not the same thing.

 

[Crescentinus]

From a Jewish perspective, I think that they take a noble cause, the ethical treatment of animals, and they elevate it to the extreme.

People and animals are not the same thing.

Tell that to the likes of PETA, and they may simply look down on you or anyone else who does so, for that matter.

 

[YKohen]

Tell that to the likes of PETA, and they may simply look down on you or anyone else who does so, for that matter.

I don’t really care what they think. No reasonable person can possibly believe that people and animals are equal, and that goes 100-fold for people who believe in the Bible.

Genesis 9:2 And the fear of you and the dread of you shall be upon every beast of the earth, and upon every fowl of the air, and upon all wherewith the ground teemeth, and upon all the fishes of the sea: into your hand are they delivered.

Man is above animals. Man is more important than animals. Animals are given to man (although not to abuse).

Man also has a soul, which animals do not. This is why there is no right or wrong for animals- only man; the only thing that was created in G-d’s own image.

 

[Crescentinus]

I don’t really care what they think. No reasonable person can possibly believe that people and animals are equal, and that goes 100-fold for people who believe in the Bible.

Genesis 9:2 And the fear of you and the dread of you shall be upon every beast of the earth, and upon every fowl of the air, and upon all wherewith the ground teemeth, and upon all the fishes of the sea: into your hand are they delivered.

Man is above animals. Man is more important than animals. Animals are given to man (although not to abuse).

Man also has a soul, which animals do not. This is why there is no right or wrong for animals- only man; the only thing that was created in G-d’s own image.

I completely agree with you.
If they laugh at me for saying it, I’d laugh at them.

 

[Robert_in_SD]

I have no objection to the ethical treatment of animals. But PETA’s take on the matter is objectionable because they see no fundamental difference between human beings on the one hand, and animals on the other hand. That’s why they get into trouble in my opinion. A rat is not a rational being. A pig is not a rational being. A dog is not a rational being. A boy is a rational being. There is a clear distinction between humans and animals. One does not need faith to see the distinction.

Ethical treatment of animals can be rationally understood only from a perspective that acknowledges the distinction between humans and animals. Ignoring the distinction is where PETA crosses the line IMO.

Just my two cents.

Peace,
Robert

 

[YKohen]

I completely agree with you.
If they laugh at me for saying it, I’d laugh at them.

This is why I am here; because I believe that even with our theological differences, we have much that unites us on a values/morals level.

 

[Crescentinus]

This is why I am here; because I believe that even with our theological differences, we have much that unites us on a values/morals level.

True.

In the case of PETA itself, they (like certain other groups such as the Animal Liberation Front) had made veganism into a laughing stock at best and had removed it of credibility in the eyes of many at worst. No wonder that even some of the sane vegans oppose the antics of PETA and similar groups.

 

[spencelo]

Spence,

Now, now, now, your bias is showing and you are going back on your OP…

I’m not defending PETA, its goals or methods. Someone made the statement that PETA was pro-choice, which appears inaccurate in light of the text I quoted. Pointing out misconceptions of PETA is not the same thing as defending them.

 

[Cristiano]

I’m not defending PETA, its goals or methods. Someone made the statement that PETA was pro-choice, which appears inaccurate in light of the text I quoted. Pointing out misconceptions of PETA is not the same thing as defending them.

Then why do you point them out?