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I just read about someone on this forum who said they prayed to Mary and gave it all to her? I am just learning about Catholics so I am just asking out of curiosity. I understand Mary is very special and mother of our Lord but why pray to Mary? Why give it to her? Where in the bible does it say this? It says says pray to our father in heaven through Jesus Christ?

I just want one passage in the bible that says we can pray through Mary? Also to show my friend who does not get this and says it is no where in the bible? She is born again Christian. I am just curious that is all.
 
Even more generic, you see Paul asking other Christians to pray for him.
Colossians 4:3 At the same time, pray also for us, that God may open to us a door for the word, to declare the mystery of Christ, on account of which I am in prison.

1 Thess 5:25 Brothers, pray for us.

2 Thess 3:1 Finally, brothers, pray for us, that the word of the Lord may speed ahead and be honored, as happened among you.

2 Corinthians 1:11 You also must help us by prayer, so that many will give thanks on our behalf of the blessing grated us in answer to many prayers.

Heb 13:18-19 Pray for us. We are sure that we have a clear conscience and desire to live honorably in every way. I particularly urge you to pray so that I may be restored to you soon.This is how we implore the saints in heaven. Since the body of Christ is not divided, we have access to the great cloud of witnesses that have gone before us. And in doing so, we follow Paul’s example of communing with the body of Christ for intercession. Mary is certainly seen to be in heaven too, as described in Revelation. :o
 
Thank you marcopolo. I still do not understand how that refers to Mary. Since a friend said we should not be praying to the dead anyway? I am confused on this one still but thanks for your reply.
 
Thank you marcopolo. I still do not understand how that refers to Mary. Since a friend said we should not be praying to the dead anyway? I am confused on this one still but thanks for your reply.
I don’t think Mary is dead. I remember reading something somewhere that states that she may have never died, but that when she finished her “Earthly Life,” she arose, Body and Soul, through God, into Heaven, meaning that if I have my information correct, she is, in fact, alive. I could be wrong, and if I am wrong I hope someone will correct me, as I am trying my hardest to learn about these things.

Much Love,
~TheQuietSinger
 
I do not know whether she is alive in heaven or not. As far as I am aware though no where in the bible does it say? or I missed that bit and it was never explained to me. I am aware the only one is Jesus at the right hand of God everyone else is dead and awaiting judgement day.
Of course Mary is blessed already.
 
Simple… Read the Wedding at Cana. Christ did not want to do the miracle. Remember his responce? “My time has not yet come” So they went to his mother. She got him to perform his first miracle. This is what we do when we pray to Mary. She goes to her Son with all of our intentions as we give them to her. Common sense: Jesus said " I am the way the truth and the Life. No man come to the Father but through me" OK How do we get to the Son? Through his Mother. Look again at the Wedding at Cana. God Bless!!!
 
I do not know whether she is alive in heaven or not. As far as I am aware though no where in the bible does it say? or I missed that bit and it was never explained to me. I am aware the only one is Jesus at the right hand of God everyone else is dead and awaiting judgement day.
Of course Mary is blessed already.
Moses and Elijah are not dead. We see them at the Transfiguration, conversing with Jesus. God Himself tells us that He is not the God of the dead, but of the living.

We also see the saints in Heaven offering up our prayers to God, which is what we are doing when we pray to Mary and the saints. We are asking them to take our prayers to God, and to pray on our behalf. See Revelations 5 and 8.

And St. Paul certainly prayed for someone who had died:

2 Tim 1:16 May the Lord grant mercy to the family of Onesiphorus because he often gave me new heart and was not ashamed of my chains. 17 But when he came to Rome, he promptly searched for me and found me. 18 May the Lord grant him to find mercy from the Lord on that day. And you know very well the services he rendered in Ephesus.

Notice that Paul is referring to Onesiphorus in the past tense, and does not greet him, but his family.
 
we donot pray to Mary but rather ask her to intercede for us to our heavenly father. We do the same in our lives-we do ask our friends or family to pray for us/on our behalf and thats the same with Mary. On the part of whether she is alive or not-read Revelation 12:1-6.
 
I do not know whether she is alive in heaven or not. As far as I am aware though no where in the bible does it say? or I missed that bit and it was never explained to me. I am aware the only one is Jesus at the right hand of God everyone else is dead and awaiting judgement day.
Of course Mary is blessed already.
Yeah, I think you missed a bit.

Mary, along with all the Saints, believed in God, followed God and are with God. Just like Moses, just like Elijah. At the transfiguration, you know they died, but they are not dead. Jesus brought those who believe in Him to heaven between his death a resurrection. Check out the Good Thief, he was promised to be alive later that day (after he died); or at least in paradise.

Jesus said, God is not a god of the dead, but a god of the living. So if one is in God, one never dies.
 
I do not know whether she is alive in heaven or not. As far as I am aware though no where in the bible does it say? or I missed that bit and it was never explained to me. I am aware the only one is Jesus at the right hand of God everyone else is dead and awaiting judgement day.
Of course Mary is blessed already.
Please remember that Catholics do not believe in Sola Scriptura. (Bible alone). So, when someone says “where is that in the bible?” we need to explain that we use 1. Scripture, 2. Magisterium (God-given authority on faith and morals given to the Church), 3. and Tradition with a capital “T”.

The word Trinity is not in the Bible, but it is inferred.

We also do not believe that everyone is “dead”, but that their spirit is either in Heaven or Hell, but without their body just yet.
 
Thank you marcopolo. I still do not understand how that refers to Mary. Since a friend said we should not be praying to the dead anyway? I am confused on this one still but thanks for your reply.
This is really where the fundamental problem comes in…
The idea that such holy people are “Dead” is completely non-Scriptural. True they have ended their corporeal lives…but Jesus Himself says that he who lives and believes will never die…So you must ask yourself…do you believe Jesus?
If you answer yes - then the saints are not dead.

Moving past this problem the next thing that some will propose is that the souls of the saved are “asleep” (called soul sleep)…Yet in the Gospels we have the miracle of the transfiguration wherein Jesus is speaking with Moses and Elijah. We also have the account that at the time of the crucifixion the “holy ones” came forth from their graves and visited many in the city.

So - if the saints are alive - and not asleep - it seems that we can ask them to pray for us in the same way that we ask someone here on earth to pray for us.

Now - your question about “giving it all to Mary” is a good one, and requires a bit more understanding of Catholic theology. Mary holds a very special place among the saints. She is the mother of our King, Jesus Christ. In days of the Israel’s kings, the “queen mother” held a very important position. Thus, in Catholic teaching, Mary is a particularly powerful intercessor with her son.
Of course it is critical to remember that Mary’s position is wholly dependent on God and we in no way equate to any member of the Trinity.

Of course this is only a very brief and crude explanation…but I hope it helps a bit…along with the other fine answers you are receiving.

Peace
James
 
I do not know whether she is alive in heaven or not. As far as I am aware though no where in the bible does it say? or I missed that bit and it was never explained to me. I am aware the only one is Jesus at the right hand of God everyone else is dead and awaiting judgement day.
Of course Mary is blessed already.
The notion that everything must be found explicitly in the Bible is not a teaching found in the bible…🤷

I’m not sure that the Church has ever made a declaration on whether Mary actually died on earth or was assumed into heaven at the moment of death - without actually tasting death…
To me it’s an unimportant detail.

As for not finding this or that in the Bible…Others can offer better answers to this. However - I believe that some of it is found in Revelation.

Peace
James
 
we donot pray to Mary but rather ask her to intercede for us to our heavenly father. We do the same in our lives-we do ask our friends or family to pray for us/on our behalf and thats the same with Mary. On the part of whether she is alive or not-read Revelation 12:1-6.
I’d like to clarify this a bit. We do pray to Mary when we ask for her intercession and prayers or guidance. However, our definition of “pray” in reference to Mary and the saints is different than the way “pray” may be more commonly used among other religions (especially other Christian religions). In other words, we do** not **worship Mary. Worship is reserved for God alone. Mary cannot do anything without God.

The word “pray” can mean:

entreat, implore —often used as a function word in introducing a question, request, or plea

*to make a request in a humble manner *

And, of course:
to address God or a god with adoration, confession, supplication, or thanksgiving

That last definition is the one most Protestants think of when they hear the word “pray,” so it’s important that we are clear about which meaning we are using if it may cause confusion otherwise. 😉

HTH!
 
Please read slowly the following passages from Sacred Scripture.

Genesis

The Lord God said to the serpent …] I will put enmity between you and the woman,
and between your offspring and hers;
she will crush your head, and you will strike her heel.

Judges

Most blessed among women is Jael… She put her left hand to the nail, and her right hand to the workman’s hammer, and she struck Sisara, seeking in his head a place for the wound

Judith

Judith shouted to the guards at the gates: “Open! Open the gate! God, our God, is with us." …]

Judith urged them with a loud voice:
“Praise God, give praise!
Praise God, who has not withdrawn his mercy from the house of Israel,
but has shattered our enemies by my hand this very night!” …]
“Here is the head of Holofernes…
The Lord struck him down by the hand of a female!
… and that he did not defile me with sin or shame.

Uzziah said to her,
“Blessed are you, daughter, by the Most High God, above all the women on earth;
and blessed be the Lord God, the creator of heaven and earth,
who guided your blow at the head of the leader of our enemies.
Your deed of hope will never be forgotten by those who recall the might of God.
May God make this redound to your everlasting honor, rewarding you with blessings, because you risked your life when our people were being oppressed,
and you averted our disaster,
walking in the straight path before our God.”

1 Kings

So Bathsheba went to King Solomon to speak to him for Adonijah.

And the king arose to meet her, bowed before her, and sat on his throne;
then he had a throne set for the king’s mother, and she sat on his right.

Then she said, “I am making one small request of you; do not refuse me.”

And the king said to her, “Ask, my mother, for I will not refuse you.”

** Psalm 45**

Daughters of kings are among your honored women;
at your right hand is the royal bride in gold of Ophir.

The bride, a princess, looks glorious in her golden gown. In embroidered garments she is presented to the king.

In embroidered garments she is led to the king; her virgin companions follow her-- those brought to be with her.

What a joyful and enthusiastic procession as they enter the king’s palace!

In place of your fathers shall be your sons; you will make them princes in all the earth.

I will perpetuate your memory through all generations; therefore the nations will praise you for ever and ever.

Psalm 116

O Lord, truly I am your servant;
I am your servant, and the son of your handmaid …
I will offer to you the sacrifice of thanksgiving

Exodus
Honor your father and your mother.

Isaiah

Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign:
The virgin will conceive and give birth to a son,
and will call him Immanuel.

Micah

The ruler in Israel will give them up, until the time
when she who is to give birth has borne.

Matthew

An angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream and said, “Joseph son of David, do not be afraid to take Mary home as your wife, because what is conceived in her is from the Holy Spirit.

She will give birth to a son, and you are to give him the name Jesus, because he will save his people from their sins.”

All this took place to fulfill what the Lord had said through the prophet: “The virgin will conceive and give birth to a son, and they will call him Immanuel” which means “God with us”.

Luke

Then the angel told her: "Do not be afraid, Mary; you have found favor with God. You will conceive and give birth to a son, and you are to call him Jesus “God saves”].

…] The Holy Spirit will come on you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. So the holy one to be born will be called the Son of God."

…] And Mary said:
“Behold the handmaid of the Lord,
be it done unto me according to your word.”

…]“My soul magnifies the Lord
and my spirit rejoices
in God my Savior”

Canticle of Canticles

You are altogether beautiful, my love;
there is no stain in you.

You have captivated my heart, my sister, my bride;
you have captivated my heart with one glance of your eyes.

A garden locked is my sister, my bride,
a spring locked, a fountain sealed.

There are …] virgins without number.
My dove, my perfect one, is the only one,
the only one of her mother,
pure to her who bore her.
The young women saw her and called her blessed;

“Who is this who looks down like the dawn,
beautiful as the moon, bright as the sun,
majestic as the stars in procession?

Revelation

And a great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars…

She gave birth to a male child, one who is to rule all the nations with a rod of iron…

And her child was snatched up to God and to his throne. The woman fled into the wilderness to a place prepared for her by God, where she might be taken care of…

The great dragon was hurled down—that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray…

When the dragon saw that he had been hurled to the earth, he pursued the woman who had given birth to the male child. The woman was given the two wings of a great eagle, so that she might fly to the place prepared for her in the wilderness, where she would be taken care of for a time…

…] the dragon was enraged at the woman and went off to wage war against the rest of her offspring—those who keep God’s commands and hold fast their testimony about Jesus.

2 John

The Elder,

To the elect lady and her children,
whom I love in truth,
and not only I, but also all those who have known the truth …]

Having many things to write to you, I did not wish to do so with paper and ink;
but I hope to come to you and speak face to face,
that our joy may be full.
 
I just read about someone on this forum who said they prayed to Mary and gave it all to her? I am just learning about Catholics so I am just asking out of curiosity. I understand Mary is very special and mother of our Lord but why pray to Mary? Why give it to her? Where in the bible does it say this? It says says pray to our father in heaven through Jesus Christ?

I just want one passage in the bible that says we can pray through Mary? Also to show my friend who does not get this and says it is no where in the bible? She is born again Christian. I am just curious that is all.
Check out the following link. It may help you. catholicbridge.com/catholic/mary_do_catholics_pray_to_her.php
 
Thank you marcopolo. I still do not understand how that refers to Mary.
Paul asks other members of the body to make intercession for him. So why would that not apply to Mary, another member of the Body of Christ. We are merely following Paul’s example.
Since a friend said we should not be praying to the dead anyway?
Remember, in the context of Marian intercession, we are not praying “to” her, we are asking her to pray with us. And if she is in heaven, she is certainly “alive.” The body of Christ is not divided merely because someone is close to God in heaven! We can see the Psalmist calling on angels to pray with him (e.g. Ps. 148:1-2) and the angels are in heaven. In addition to other good posts, may I recommend Praying to Saints: A Visual Aid. 😉
 
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