question about purgatory

[ClamDigger]

If I today die in a state of grace, my soul goes to purgatory isn’t it? Then what if my cleansing in purgatory is finished before the second coming of Christ, does that mean my soul will stay in heaven for the meantime, as I wait for my body to be reunited with it?

Hope that made sense somehow.

If you die in a state of grace, your soul’s destination being purgatory depends on if you’ve already been completely purified of your mortal and venial sins while still on earth. You might have already paid sufficient penance for your sins while on earth and you might go directly to heaven. However, if you didn’t do sufficient penance to avoid purgatory all together, but are still in a state of grace, your soul will be purified in purgatory before it goes to heaven. Once you have been purified, your soul will go to heaven and you will wait with the rest of the saints for the general resurrection.
I hope that answers your question.

 

[Texas_Roofer]

OK…so:

As long as the person genuinely attends to do what they are supposed to do at some point, they’re fine then, right?

So maybe my confusion to post #7 is that I assumed “mortal sin must be forgiven” = “confessed and in good standing” when what is actually being implied is that God will ?probably? decide to forgive any outstanding sins at time of death as long as the person is a member in good standing with the genuine desire to, at some point, officially repent?

So the idea is that God has to make a decision about whether to forgive the mortal sin(s) before the process of Purgatory purging can take place?

Well I am struggling to follow the question. The instruction is to confess and repent. Confess is a straight forward term, however repent means to change. So one can confess and repent without a priest or a church, and one can honor god, love your neighbor as you love yourself, and love one another as I have loved you, without a church or a priest, however it is simply easier to do with a church and a priest. Actually once one completes these tasks as a free standing individual they have no reason to have a separation from the church and the priest, unless they are wrapped in the sin of presumption. So maybe the question is can one stay separated from the church? Well the answer is clear only through invincible ignorance, which means they do not know the real church, whether from the lack of presence, or of understanding. But I think your real question maybe can one repent and stay autonomous? That answer is no, once one correctly repents they are changed and understand autonomy was never a real option. Or maybe the question is can one say or believe they have repented when really they have not? That answer is absolutely and neither condition will work the false statement only adds another sin, while the false belief is the heart of presumption.

Hope that helps

 

[mellestad]

Well I am struggling to follow the question. The instruction is to confess and repent. Confess is a straight forward term, however repent means to change. So one can confess and repent without a priest or a church, and one can honor god, love your neighbor as you love yourself, and love one another as I have loved you, without a church or a priest, however it is simply easier to do with a church and a priest. Actually once one completes these tasks as a free standing individual they have no reason to have a separation from the church and the priest, unless they are wrapped in the sin of presumption. So maybe the question is can one stay separated from the church? Well the answer is clear only through invincible ignorance, which means they do not know the real church, whether from the lack of presence, or of understanding. But I think your real question maybe can one repent and stay autonomous? That answer is no, once one correctly repents they are changed and understand autonomy was never a real option. Or maybe the question is can one say or believe they have repented when really they have not? That answer is absolutely and neither condition will work the false statement only adds another sin, while the false belief is the heart of presumption.

Hope that helps

Wow, I must have done a horrid job of communicating, lol. If no-one else chimes in with an answer I’ll try to re-write it in a day or two.

 

[Umvard]

remember that knowledge is a requirement of sin, so a sin of omission only occurs when we know we should have acted

This isn’t true. Full knowledge that something is sinful is necessary to commit a mortal sin, but sin is any offense against God; i.e., “an utterance, a deed, or a desire contrary to the eternal law.” To say that knowledge must be present for a sin is to misunderstand the full meaning of your call to be perfect as your Father in Heaven is perfect, perfection is holiness. And the moral law is written in everyones heart. “No one is deemed to be ignorant of the principles of the moral law, which are written in the conscience of every man.” (these quotes are from the Catechism’s section on sin, btw)

Also, about the “car around tree” circumstance. You don’t necessarily have to be en route to confession, but only have made an act of contrition and to confess as soon as possible. I take that to mean to wait until Saturday comes around to confess, not running to the first priest you see. Trust in the mercy of God.

 

[Michael_Francis]

Having departed from topic this thread is now closed.