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So, I’ve never been one to be outgoing when I first meet someone. In fact, I am rather shy until I get to know the person.

My best friend isn’t what you would call the best role model for morality. But, he’s since had to take care of two kids and has matured a lot.

I have another friend who I have fell away from and want to speak with her again. I used to have a thing for her which has been my reason for ceasing contact with her in case the spark ignites again. But, I really want to try to be her friend. I miss talking to her. And she genuinely cared for me, which is what I liked about her. She is very loving.

They are both not the most moral people. But extremely loving, as much as a ‘secular’ person can be.

I have three friends. And only currently talk to two.

This bring me to my question:

I know it’s a silly question, but I feel like I need some validation for some reason. Is it possible to have friends because of the fact that they have a different style of living than you? I don’t know, perhaps it’s because I’m shy and want to be more outgoing. It’s not just that they are different than me, but they’re also nice.

I know it’s going to take me awhile for me to hear her voice again. In fact, it’s a big reason I don’t have a phone right now. But, a huge part of me just wants her back in my life. And I know all it will take for that to happen is a simple message of ‘Hey, how’s it going?’

I overthink WAY too much about silly things.
 
I think many people probably have friends from different walks of life. Unless someone is only concerned with interacting with a certain group of people, they are going to have a diverse group of friends.

I agree that you are overthinking it. Get a phone and call your female friend.
 
Remember that Jesus hung out with sinners 🙂
As another poster said, most of us have friends who don’t have exactly the same beliefs as we do. The question you should ask yourself is, could their friendship influence you to re-think your own morals, or can you stand firmly on your own principles? You’re the only one who can answer this question. And consider also that you could be a *good * influence on them.
 
I think many people probably have friends from different walks of life. Unless someone is only concerned with interacting with a certain group of people, they are going to have a diverse group of friends.

I agree that you are overthinking it. Get a phone and call your female friend.
Yea, that makes sense. I like the variety of people too much to only have on specific group. At least at the moment.

I tend to overthink a lot and come here for validation. I still haven’t contacted them, though. :confused:
 
Remember that Jesus hung out with sinners 🙂
As another poster said, most of us have friends who don’t have exactly the same beliefs as we do. The question you should ask yourself is, could their friendship influence you to re-think your own morals, or can you stand firmly on your own principles? You’re the only one who can answer this question. And consider also that you could be a *good * influence on them.
Yea, that’s what I’ve told myself many times. My problem is that I just want to believe what I believe and not feel forced. I think that’s one of the main reasons I enjoy their company. They seem to just live, something I haven’t done in years. I also am in the process of re-evaluating my own morals and beliefs, so that might confuse me more. I think I might be willing to accept that confusion though, I might learn from it.

I love the last sentence you wrote. They’re certainly and influence on me in that they get me out of my shell. And it feels really strange at the time since I don’t have many experiences in life at all, but maybe I can be a good influence on them because of my attitude towards things. That’s a new way to look at it. Thanks.
 
Wide range of friends has done more for me than any therapist could have.

To learn to be among people with different beliefs – some think I am evil for thinking or doing some things (even eating meat for example) and they not only do but openly discuss things the Church finds sinful – can help open a mind and heart.

As long as you allow yourself to be “one of them” so they feel at ease and don’t have to “watch what they say” because that means your presence is causing them to “conceal their truth” and will keep you separate. So holding to your own values without judging theirs is really useful.

I also think it is useful to habituate oneself to things that are “offensive” or “hateful” or just plain “wrong.” One way to do this is by comedy. Watch comedians who make fun of what I hold sacred, or who advocate those things I don’t, and see if I can “see through their eyes” (aka "walk in their shoes) enough to at least see what is funny, if not laugh at myself.

People who challenge me and make fun of me and don’t mind throwing me a “zinger” to where I’m not completely sure if it was “intended to hurt” or just fun, have done a great deal at helping me “deny myself” because IMO if they can trigger me into anxiety, fear, anger, or whatever, than I have not fully received the peace that Jesus gave me, because His peace is no conditional or situational or temporary. That’s one reason to love “enemies” even if they are friends making fun of my words because they will find and tell me about flaws that my friends may not even see, much less on “how to tell me about it.”

I “think too much” too, I’ve been told. My personal idea is that others often think to little. 😃
 
Wide range of friends has done more for me than any therapist could have.

To learn to be among people with different beliefs – some think I am evil for thinking or doing some things (even eating meat for example) and they not only do but openly discuss things the Church finds sinful – can help open a mind and heart.

As long as you allow yourself to be “one of them” so they feel at ease and don’t have to “watch what they say” because that means your presence is causing them to “conceal their truth” and will keep you separate. So holding to your own values without judging theirs is really useful.

I also think it is useful to habituate oneself to things that are “offensive” or “hateful” or just plain “wrong.” One way to do this is by comedy. Watch comedians who make fun of what I hold sacred, or who advocate those things I don’t, and see if I can “see through their eyes” (aka "walk in their shoes) enough to at least see what is funny, if not laugh at myself.

People who challenge me and make fun of me and don’t mind throwing me a “zinger” to where I’m not completely sure if it was “intended to hurt” or just fun, have done a great deal at helping me “deny myself” because IMO if they can trigger me into anxiety, fear, anger, or whatever, than I have not fully received the peace that Jesus gave me, because His peace is no conditional or situational or temporary. That’s one reason to love “enemies” even if they are friends making fun of my words because they will find and tell me about flaws that my friends may not even see, much less on “how to tell me about it.”

I “think too much” too, I’ve been told. My personal idea is that others often think to little. 😃
I can see that. More people in your life means more perspective means easier to relate to them and help them out, even makes it easier to forgive.

I agree with opening your mind and heart. The danger I see (at the moment since I’m confused with my personal beliefs) is falling into what they deem to be right. I can see myself falling into ‘concupiscence’ and not really caring because I’d be finally living after 25 years.

Allowing myself to be one of them will help them feel at ease with me for sure. I’d like to be there for them, to help them with their issues in life, etc. (Again, fighting my urge to say ‘Shouldn’t we tell them the Truth, though?’) I’ve gotten really good at not saying much when my best friend talks of girls the way he does, but a part of me want to be a normal guy like that also. Not to the point of being a jerk or objectifying all of the time. I just hate feeling horrible for something that’s 100% wired in my brain. But I digress.

I also agree with the whole ‘walk a mile in their shoes’ bit. It’s a good way to get a different perspective on things. However, being what we are called to be, shouldn’t we speak up against the immoral jokes. I mean, we can’t really stop them. But that’s only because it’s so ingrained in our society. I feel like we could do more than just sit by and appreciate being able to walk in their shoes. I don’t know. But walking with them increases our empathy which in turn increases our love for people. So, I’m for that.

Can I ask what you mean by “denying yourself”? I hear this used in a lot of religious talks, and I get it in other contexts, but am confused with your point. I assume you mean that since you may feel hurt or angry, you doubt your own graces? Sorry if I read that wrong. Personally, I believe attitude is everything. I haven’t had a bad experience because it’s all how you look at things. Everything I’ve done, I’ve learned from and loved following the learning curve.

However, like you said, I think too much. This leads to a LOT of self-doubt especially regarding religion and living my own life when the voice in my head tells me religion says I’m not allowed to. (It used to be just because I was shy or afraid to take the jump but it has since changed.) What hurts the most is the feeling of not being able to live the way I want or love who I want to love. I want to learn how to silence some of my more intrusive thoughts. The only way I have found to do that is through doing something with my time so I’m not alone with them. I want to learn how to be like the other people who think too little. It might help me relax.

Thank you for your reply. I appreciate it.
 
I agree with opening your mind and heart. The danger I see (at the moment since I’m confused with my personal beliefs) is falling into what they deem to be right. I can see myself falling into ‘concupiscence’ and not really caring because I’d be finally living after 25 years.
Allowing myself to be one of them will help them feel at ease with me for sure. I’d like to be there for them, to help them with their issues in life, etc. (Again, fighting my urge to say ‘Shouldn’t we tell them the Truth, though?’) I’ve gotten really good at not saying much when my best friend talks of girls the way he does, but a part of me want to be a normal guy like that also. Not to the point of being a jerk or objectifying all of the time. I just hate feeling horrible for something that’s 100% wired in my brain. But I digress.
First, yes, sex is hard wired in the brain because there is one thing that every single one of our ancestors did in common, and that is they were able to reproduce before they died.
I also agree with the whole ‘walk a mile in their shoes’ bit. It’s a good way to get a different perspective on things. However, being what we are called to be, shouldn’t we speak up against the immoral jokes. I mean, we can’t really stop them. But that’s only because it’s so ingrained in our society. I feel like we could do more than just sit by and appreciate being able to walk in their shoes. I don’t know. But walking with them increases our empathy which in turn increases our love for people. So, I’m for that.
I actually came upon a “walk a mile in her shoes” activity and quickly signed in but the others had gone helplessly ahead and my old fat self made it a bit and back.

But like these things where an “attractive woman” walks through NYC and men make remarks – frankly that impresses me zero. Yes, a bit more empathy and it makes it clear that the male idea of “she should know I’m attracted to her so I’m going to make it clear through vulgar behavior” is distasteful. But it’s also stupid. One of the biggest stupid things certain “gender feminists” (as opposed to “equality feminists”) are saying is that informing women of how to reduce risk of male attack, is in itself “blaming the victim” in advance, because if they don’t follow the advice and get attacked, then we will blame them. And besides men have to become better. These people are becoming very loud and “kill the victim blamers” has taken on a life of its own to where a man is not even allowed to presume to tell a woman that she is doing something risky.

We have made sex awkward and dirty just to talk to or about, and in fact our judgment that it is dirty contributes to the problem. And you are right about objectifying and all but think of this. WHO is it that says you “must speak up” in the case that others have some potty mouth issues? Hint: NOT Jesus. In fact, if they are saying horrible things about God, Jesus says “rejoice and be glad” – not to “be indignant and show those people how personally offended you are on behalf of GAWDuh.” We seem to be expected by “mainstream Catholic Culture” to be shocked at this and offended at that and indignant about the other. This is not the way we behave when we are part of the same team Jesus is on.

I think people who are “offended” or even “disgusted” by something might be best of cram feeding it to themselves until they habituate to it. For example, if you are offended by lots of tattoos or weird body modifications include sex change surgery, watch the movie “Modify” and you will see things that will expand your range. Listen to these people tell it from their point of view, and see how it works. It’s way yucky but if we’re going to judge people for the wacky stuff they do, let’s at least fear from their side first.

Another thing is people are so confused about gender, and especially feminists want to deny the “maleness” of males. Surely male gender stereotypes have their problems, but again when we go try to control entire societies we might was to start on the basis that there are actual biological differences in the way our bodies react to others. A good source for that just as a starting point, and I don’t know if all the studies were scientifically rigorous but like I say it’s a starting point…

The Science of Lust (Full Documentary)
 
Can I ask what you mean by “denying yourself”? I hear this used in a lot of religious talks, and I get it in other contexts, but am confused with your point. I assume you mean that since you may feel hurt or angry, you doubt your own graces? Sorry if I read that wrong. Personally, I believe attitude is everything. I haven’t had a bad experience because it’s all how you look at things. Everything I’ve done, I’ve learned from and loved following the learning curve.
It is a big issue for many religions, and for the mystical aspects (apophatic traditions such as Cloud of the Unknowing and Dark Night of the Cross) of Catholicism.

Matt 16
24 Then Jesus said to his disciples, “Whoever wishes to come after me must deny himself, take up his cross, and follow me. 25 For whoever wishes to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for my sake will find it. 26 What profit would there be for one to gain the whole world and forfeit his life? Or what can one give in exchange for his life? 27 For the Son of Man will come with his angels in his Father’s glory, and then he will repay everyone according to his conduct. 28 Amen, I say to you, there are some standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.”

There are libraries written about the “false self” that constitutes the state of mind that a “civilized” culture fits us with. We are trained from an early age that adults’ happiness depends on our behavior. So since the industrial age we’ve been cranking out sheeple completely convinced that the state of the world and others’ behavior in it, regulates our peace. Note Jesus said “some of us” – He NEVER said that He would come “simultaneously” to all, but in fact I believe it’s about our eyes being opened and coming into the kingdom. This is a state of mind, not a thing we must hope for after we live a lousy life and then die.

Like the rich man who walked away sadly. He had always followed the commandments and obeyed the rules, but he knew something still wasn’t right and asked Jesus what he needs to do. Jesus knew where his treasure lay, in the comfort and security and power his many possessions brings. So He said go sell everything and give it away. The man wasn’t ready to take that step. Also the part about “let the dead bury the dead” (even though burying dead is an “act of mercy”) is again saying that we cannot be led by Jesus and later the Holy Spirit, if we are clinging onto worldly possessions, responsibilities, etc.

Great question but entire religions and cults are made around it. One way to attempt to “lose oneself” is by engaging in contemplative prayer forms. It isn’t that we have to lose our possessions, we just have to lose our constant sense of having to own them. As anybody with many possessions knows, owning things can bring on their own kind of anxiety because we have to protect them and worry about them and keep them in good condition, etc. to the point we “own” them but they “steal” time from our lives – and when we’re worried about what’s going on at home it makes us weak warriors for the spiritual outreach.
However, like you said, I think too much. This leads to a LOT of self-doubt especially regarding religion and living my own life when the voice in my head tells me religion says I’m not allowed to. (It used to be just because I was shy or afraid to take the jump but it has since changed.) What hurts the most is the feeling of not being able to live the way I want or love who I want to love. I want to learn how to silence some of my more intrusive thoughts. The only way I have found to do that is through doing something with my time so I’m not alone with them. I want to learn how to be like the other people who think too little. It might help me relax.
The worst part about overthinking things, is by trying to use “their rules” to figure stuff out, when you know very well that you are being “nagged” by inner voices to do something that just doesn’t seem like the “loving” thing to do at the time. Don’t distrust your mind; distrust the assumptions it is using as bases for the confusion.

You might like this movie … the first few minutes can tell what it’s about, but if you can’t see it all at least watch parts 10 and 11. This is a little heavy on gay issues, but since the author of the movie used to bash a gay guy, it’s a big focus for him…

Lord Save Us From Your Followers: How the Gospel of Love is Dividing America Part 1
 
First, yes, sex is hard wired in the brain because there is one thing that every single one of our ancestors did in common, and that is they were able to reproduce before they died.

I actually came upon a “walk a mile in her shoes” activity and quickly signed in but the others had gone helplessly ahead and my old fat self made it a bit and back.

But like these things where an “attractive woman” walks through NYC and men make remarks – frankly that impresses me zero. Yes, a bit more empathy and it makes it clear that the male idea of “she should know I’m attracted to her so I’m going to make it clear through vulgar behavior” is distasteful. But it’s also stupid. One of the biggest stupid things certain “gender feminists” (as opposed to “equality feminists”) are saying is that informing women of how to reduce risk of male attack, is in itself “blaming the victim” in advance, because if they don’t follow the advice and get attacked, then we will blame them. And besides men have to become better. These people are becoming very loud and “kill the victim blamers” has taken on a life of its own to where a man is not even allowed to presume to tell a woman that she is doing something risky.

We have made sex awkward and dirty just to talk to or about, and in fact our judgment that it is dirty contributes to the problem. And you are right about objectifying and all but think of this. WHO is it that says you “must speak up” in the case that others have some potty mouth issues? Hint: NOT Jesus. In fact, if they are saying horrible things about God, Jesus says “rejoice and be glad” – not to “be indignant and show those people how personally offended you are on behalf of GAWDuh.” We seem to be expected by “mainstream Catholic Culture” to be shocked at this and offended at that and indignant about the other. This is not the way we behave when we are part of the same team Jesus is on.

I think people who are “offended” or even “disgusted” by something might be best of cram feeding it to themselves until they habituate to it. For example, if you are offended by lots of tattoos or weird body modifications include sex change surgery, watch the movie “Modify” and you will see things that will expand your range. Listen to these people tell it from their point of view, and see how it works. It’s way yucky but if we’re going to judge people for the wacky stuff they do, let’s at least fear from their side first.

Another thing is people are so confused about gender, and especially feminists want to deny the “maleness” of males. Surely male gender stereotypes have their problems, but again when we go try to control entire societies we might was to start on the basis that there are actual biological differences in the way our bodies react to others. A good source for that just as a starting point, and I don’t know if all the studies were scientifically rigorous but like I say it’s a starting point…

The Science of Lust (Full Documentary)
I believe we are wired for that from birth through society and through our own pleasure that we get from our own individual experiences with it.

I’m not the type of person to call a girl hot or sexy. I would much rather refer to them as cute or beautiful. However, I have found some girls wear outfits in order to make parts of them more attractive to males and expect an “honest” answer. In other words, being blunt to the point of being a jerk. I don’t understand how people like that, but I’m not them. I just know I would never outwardly say it. As a matter of fact, the friend I have been wanting to talk to once answered a question related to this. I had asked her if she ever wore things to make her feel good, as she had earlier expressed the reasons why she wore different outfits different places. She had told me that she appreciated the compliments she got. I then asked her what if me or her or other friend told her the same thing. She told me she would laugh.

Your words seem to be twisted around in my head. I doubt you meant “Rejoice and be glad” that someone says something hurtful while having an ‘it’s not my issue’ way of thinking. My feelings towards that is it kind of becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy at that point. And by not doing anything, wouldn’t we be just as bad as the ones causing the problem? Sorry, that’s just me.

I agree that sex is something to be celebrated. But, (And these are my ‘Catholic thoughts’ talking) isn’t is technically reserved for marriage? Okay, okay. I really don’t want to go on a ramble about religion and sexuality as that’s a whole other issue for me completely. My mind gets loaded with thoughts. ‘What if you save it for love?’ Well then it’s fornication. ‘You have to ALWAYS be open to a new life.’ Well what if you just want to show affection to the person you love? It’s a revolving door for me at the current stage of my life.

I totally agree with your way of thinking regarding things they are wary of. My parents are a great example of this. My sister has tattoos. My parents did not approve of them. Now, her tattoos are all of good things. The adoption symbol, a key that says honesty, and a bow. There was some talk of finances. However, they don’t understand why she would get them and have them forever. I get it. She chose something that meant so much to her that she can be reminded of it.

The same happened with me and drinking. I didn’t drink until my 22nd birthday. And the moment I felt it hit me, I realized I had no right to condemn something so harshly in high school for something I had not personally felt. It gave me a sense of, clarity you could say. The whole ‘You don’t know what it’s like until you do it yourself’ thing.
 
The issue I run into here is: I know what it’s like to deny myself. Except I do it unwillingly most times. My mind tells me I can’t have this or I can’t have that. And then I chalk it up to, ‘Well… maybe the fact that I want it so badly means I shouldn’t have it.’ Let me tell you something. It’s not a good way to live. It’s no way to live.

I do, however, agree with being humble. I don’t need a big house or fancy clothes or the latest and greatest in technology to be happy.

My other problem is: I firmly believe that attitude is everything. I could have the crappiest day and at the end of it, still have an amazing attitude. Because guess what? I learned something, I felt something, I lived through it. The problem here lies in the notion that all I need is a good state and mind and nothing else. As for clinging to possessions, the less you have, the less you care about having more. You adapt to a specific lifestyle. But for me, I can adapt to a lot of different situations.

Let’s take today for instance: I had an eye doctor appointment. Most people may see it as a chore. I saw it as a genuinely fun experience. I drove home with the windows down and music playing while singing along. I looked up at the sky and smiled because something inside of me was happy just to be living. I then came home and ate a bagel while watching Law and Order. It was a great day. I don’t do much of anything with my life, I’ve never felt like I was able to break out of my bubble. So, to have the opportunity to have the simplest experiences in life, is really something. I’m not kidding you, even going out to dinner with a friend is like, super amazing for me.

I agree with you that most people don’t own their possession, their possessions own them. I think everyone can be guilt of this. Some more than others. I’m thinking of the people who drive fancy cars and spend their days washing it because it’s their shiny status symbol. Meh, not for me. I’d be fine with a moped. Those things seem awesome.

As for my overthinking, I can see it as using ‘their rules’. But it has always been ‘their rules’. I mean, I’m grateful my parents aren’t extremists or anything, but I still have a ‘Catholic filter’. I have found this to be the biggest roadblock in my head so far. I became really depressed in college. Got better after leaving home. Now it’s back again. And I find myself validating everything EVERYTHING through these forums just because it’s the religion I grew up with and the only one I know. I can’t knowingly stray from it, though. That would be a most grievous sin. That’s my mind for you. And I tell you, it feels like I can’t win. I was shy and withdrawn as a kid because I felt like that was my role. And I am shy and withdrawn as an adult because doing anything I want to do is sinful or not God’s will or simply meaningless because this life is just a temporary pit-stop on our way to our hopeful spot in Heaven.

Or it’s all personal belief and I’m needlessly burdening myself with ideals that I don’t fit with and I could have started living years ago.

I had a breakdown once about wishing I had not grown up Catholic. How I couldn’t do what I wanted to. She asked me what it is I wanted to do. Live.

Now, I appreciate her raising me in her own belief. I think I am very loving. But that’s why I don’t want kids, though. I don’t know what I believe at the moment. And I don’t want to know the Truth I see in my head. I just want to live and be happy and make people smile and not have as strong of a filter as I do. But then that’s ‘numbing my conscious’. And I don’t want to make a child suffer in a world that will undoubtedly be ‘worse’ than it is now and tell him that there is joy in suffering.

It’s not that I am being nagged by the voices to not do something loving. It’s that I am being nagged by the voices to not love myself.

Sorry, that’s some of what goes on in my head everyday. I hope at least some of my reply made sense to you.
 
Like the rich man who walked away sadly. He had always followed the commandments and obeyed the rules, but he knew something still wasn’t right and asked Jesus what he needs to do. Jesus knew where his treasure lay, in the comfort and security and power his many possessions brings. So He said go sell everything and give it away. The man wasn’t ready to take that step. Also the part about “let the dead bury the dead” (even though burying dead is an “act of mercy”) is again saying that we cannot be led by Jesus and later the Holy Spirit, if we are clinging onto worldly possessions, responsibilities, etc.

Great question but entire religions and cults are made around it. One way to attempt to “lose oneself” is by engaging in contemplative prayer forms. It isn’t that we have to lose our possessions, we just have to lose our constant sense of having to own them. As anybody with many possessions knows, owning things can bring on their own kind of anxiety because we have to protect them and worry about them and keep them in good condition, etc. to the point we “own” them but they “steal” time from our lives – and when we’re worried about what’s going on at home it makes us weak warriors for the spiritual outreach.

The worst part about overthinking things, is by trying to use “their rules” to figure stuff out, when you know very well that you are being “nagged” by inner voices to do something that just doesn’t seem like the “loving” thing to do at the time. Don’t distrust your mind; distrust the assumptions it is using as bases for the confusion.
The issue I run into here is: I know what it’s like to deny myself. Except I do it unwillingly most times. My mind tells me I can’t have this or I can’t have that. And then I chalk it up to, ‘Well… maybe the fact that I want it so badly means I shouldn’t have it.’ Let me tell you something. It’s not a good way to live. It’s no way to live. Makes me wonder if Jesus were here today, what would denying Himself be like? Like how little would be too little? Curious idea to ponder.

I do, however, agree with being humble. I don’t need a big house or fancy clothes or the latest and greatest in technology to be happy. All we need is food, shelter, and clothes right? The rest is just our own personal lifestyle.

My other problem is: I firmly believe that attitude is everything. I could have the crappiest day and at the end of it, still have an amazing attitude. Because guess what? I learned something, I felt something, I lived through it. The problem here lies in the notion that all I need is a good state and mind and nothing else. As for clinging to possessions, the less you have, the less you care about having more. You adapt to a specific lifestyle. But for me, I can adapt to a lot of different situations.

Let’s take today for instance: I had an eye doctor appointment. Most people may see it as a chore. I saw it as a genuinely fun experience. I drove home with the windows down and music playing while singing along. I looked up at the sky and smiled because something inside of me was happy just to be living. I then came home and ate a bagel while watching Law and Order. It was a great day. I don’t do much of anything with my life, I’ve never felt like I was able to break out of my bubble. So, to have the opportunity to have the simplest experiences in life, is really something. I’m not kidding you, even going out to dinner with a friend is like, super amazing for me.

I agree with you that most people don’t own their possession, their possessions own them. I think everyone can be guilt of this. Some more than others. I’m thinking of the people who drive fancy cars and spend their days washing it because it’s their shiny status symbol. Meh, not for me. I’d be fine with a moped. Those things seem awesome.

As for my overthinking, I can see it as using ‘their rules’. But it has always been ‘their rules’. I mean, I’m grateful my parents aren’t extremists or anything, but I still have a ‘Catholic filter’. I have found this to be the biggest roadblock in my head so far. I became really depressed in college. Got better after leaving home. Now it’s back again. And I find myself validating everything EVERYTHING through these forums just because it’s the religion I grew up with and the only one I know. I can’t knowingly stray from it, though. That would be a most grievous sin. That’s my mind for you. And I tell you, it feels like I can’t win. I was shy and withdrawn as a kid because I felt like that was my role. And I am shy and withdrawn as an adult because doing anything I want to do is sinful or not God’s will or simply meaningless because this life is just a temporary pit-stop on our way to our hopeful spot in Heaven.

Or it’s all personal belief and I’m needlessly burdening myself with ideals that I don’t fit with and I could have started living years ago.

I had a breakdown once about wishing I had not grown up Catholic. How I couldn’t do what I wanted to. She asked me what it is I wanted to do. Live.

Now, I appreciate her raising me in her own belief. I think I am very loving. But that’s why I don’t want kids, though. I don’t know what I believe at the moment. And I don’t want to know the Truth I see in my head. I just want to live and be happy and make people smile and not have as strong of a filter as I do. But then that’s ‘numbing my conscious’. And I don’t want to make a child suffer in a world that will undoubtedly be ‘worse’ than it is now and tell him that there is joy in suffering.

It’s not that I am being nagged by the voices to not do something loving. It’s that I am being nagged by the voices to not love myself.

Sorry, that’s some of what goes on in my head everyday. I hope at least some of my reply made sense to you.
 
The reference to “rejoice and be glad” was from the Beatitudes:

Matt 5
11 Blessed are you when they insult you and persecute you and utter every kind of evil against you [falsely] because of me. 12 Rejoice and be glad, for your reward will be great in heaven. Thus they persecuted the prophets who were before you.

I will read more in depth later, but I noticed your comment about “rejoice and be glad” – it’s counterintuitive in a culture where we have been thoroughly trained to be emotionally codependent on others’ behaving within our ‘allowable’ parameters.
 
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