Question about same sex "relationships"? SSA in general

[zamyrabyrd]

Thank you, but unfortunately it has nothing to do with commitment to Catholic teaching. It’s that I’m a broken person, incapable of even considering a sexual relationship. I went through many years of reparative therapy to try to change, to try to be acceptable to the Church and pleasing to God, but instead it destroyed me. I don’t even feel like a sexual being anymore. And sadly, they still consider me a success story when I’m anything but a success. They damaged my relationship with my family, made me feel like a stranger to myself, and destroyed my relationship with God. I used to feel God’s presence in my life, but I don’t anymore.

I am very slowly attempting to heal from this damage, but in the mean time I just try to warn others to stay away from this dangerous form of therapy. In therapy I changed my voice, my walk, my mannerisms, my interests, my interactions with other people, learned to ignore my instincts, adopted a “fake it til you make it” sort of mentality. After a while, you feel like an actor who’s sacrificed everything in their own life to play a role. You can fool people and it might feel good at first to feel such acceptance, but it’s not real. Whenever people tell you they love you, but now change everything about yourself, they don’t really love you. For me, the love of the Church feels exactly like that.

I hope you won’t think I am being facetious but I have been by now around the block many times, but will not reveal my age for the time being.

Lying to oneself and others is always bad. I left a previous church because I honestly didn’t feel like ‘glory halleluiah’ all the time. In fact most of the time I am depressed. The world really gets me down, in particular where I happen to live but won’t go into that either. However, I realized it is OK to feel like c**p and be present at a church service, just be there.

I am not interested so much in interactions with the congregation and as a matter of fact, that never used to be a priority in any of the churches I have been in from childhood. Of course, if you go to Parochial school with your classmates, it is natural that there is more socializing, but not necessarily, or with neighbors or relatives but I don’t remember that there was never any ‘welcoming’.

This must be something new in some places but I never saw it or even its absolute necessity. In fact, if it induces some pressure to conform, it should not be a good thing as I realized that I must be a misfit if I didn’t feel all that joy people were talking about. I even suspect that maybe they were not being totally honest about it. Moreover, many of the saints were ridden with doubt and uncertainty, so if they weren’t walking on air, it’s OK to be daily struggling to get out of the mud, just like many of them were. In an odd way, knowing about their own turmoils gives me peace.

 

[Joie_de_Vivre]

I hope you won’t think I am being facetious but I have been by now around the block many times, but will not reveal my age for the time being.

Lying to oneself and others is always bad. I left a previous church because I honestly didn’t feel like ‘glory halleluiah’ all the time. In fact most of the time I am depressed. The world really gets me down, in particular where I happen to live but won’t go into that either. However, I realized it is OK to feel like c**p and be present at a church service, just be there.

I am not interested so much in interactions with the congregation and as a matter of fact, that never used to be a priority in any of the churches I have been in from childhood. Of course, if you go to Parochial school with your classmates, it is natural that there is more socializing, but not necessarily, or with neighbors or relatives but I don’t remember that there was never any ‘welcoming’.

This must be something new in some places but I never saw it or even its absolute necessity. In fact, if it induces some pressure to conform, it should not be a good thing as I realized that I must be a misfit if I didn’t feel all that joy people were talking about. I even suspect that maybe they were not being totally honest about it. Moreover, many of the saints were ridden with doubt and uncertainty, so if they weren’t walking on air, it’s OK to be daily struggling to get out of the mud, just like many of them were. In an odd way, knowing about their own turmoils gives me peace.

Traditional Catholicism has a rather macabre sense of humor, just see Flannery O’Connor’s work.

Or this
https://res.cloudinary.com/roadtrippers/image/upload/v1410452510/xsl9rm0tsmnrnkcl4ukr.jpg

 

[catholic1seeks]

If you don’t want to live alone without love get a dog.

 

[catholic1seeks]

I’m sorry for those who still feel shunned in the churches and by their community. It’s my hope that newer generations will be more accepting of those who struggle, and I think this is a large part of what Pope Francis has been trying to encourage Catholics to do.

 

[Andrea_Day]

how are they supposed to take that? Is it fair that they cannot share love with another human being? there are people who just don’t see themselves living alone in a house with no one else to love and support them, they need someone else. Does the church not know what to do with people with same sex attraction? Would it ever in the future change its laws?? Could a same sex relationship with no sex even exist?

Your questions are totally valid. I’m biromatnic asexual, happily Catholic and am finding answers to your question myself day by day. This is what I can tell you right now.

Obviously, two asexuals can have a gay romantic relationship without difficulty, and I know there are people out there who have sexual attraction and have been able to live without sex in a gay romantic relationship as well. So yes sexless relationships do exist, it is possible, maybe not for every individual.

You’re right, none of us want to be alone, we all want to “share love” in one way or another. The Church calls us to chastity, but also to community. God is showing me that being celibate does NOT = being alone. There is an epic community of Christians who write about and discuss the concept of spiritual friendship, and how people with ssa can/should cultivate these kinds of relationships. They have a blog, which is amazing, and you should totally subscribe and go through past posts. spiritualfriendship.org/ They are my favorite blog hands down.

Another big point is that choosing chastity for God HAS to be done out of love. Trying to bend down to rules for the sake of rules really never works, because our desire for having a significant other is stronger, more primal, than our desire to fit in someone’s box of laws. I tried and failed many times to follow the rules “because the Church says so and I don’t want to go to Hell”. Epic fails. Love does conquer fear. What I discovered is that Love conquers love. I chose to enter into a relationship with Jesus. I started talking to Him, visiting Him in Adoration, being honest with my struggles and asking Him for the grace to get where I was to where He wanted me. As Jesus became my friend, and I meditated on what He suffered for my salvation, I was overcome by the knowledge that He was all wise, all loving, and all trustworthy. I gave myself to Him, surrendering to His will, out of love for the One who’s hands were pierced for me. I started learning His will through Church teachings, and began striving to be chaste. Growing up, I believed the Church condemned gay sex, but not gay legal marriages or gay romantic celibate relationships. Being asexual, I planned to have a celibate gay marriage. I discovered how wrong I was about Church teaching from an email at the library, at a time when I was making wedding plans on Pinterest, writing love letters to my future wife, and seeking my soulmate on gay dating sites. I left the library sobbing, I cried all the way home, I shut myself in the bathroom and collapsed against the wall as my biggest life dream shattered. I remember sitting on the floor, a complete mess, asking God, “Why can’t I be with Sarah (the name I used to describe my future wife)? Why would it hurt you for us to be married and adopt children and love them? I need her…you can’t forbid me from being loved. I can’t do it!” It was then I had a moment of grace. The thought came to me: ‘Jesus was tortured for you. Do you believe He loves you? Jesus is God. Do you believe you’re wiser than Him?’ I answered Yes and No. The thought line continued, “God loves you more than you love yourself. He made you, and knows your needs better than you do. He is all wise and can make decisions better than you. Trust Him now, surrender to His will, and eventually you’ll understand.” I got on my knees, and prayed something along the lines of, “God, I’m in pain, this is the hardest thing I’ve ever done, but I give this to you, I trust you, and I surrender to Your will, because you are more loving and wise than I am.” Instantly, I felt such a sense of peace. The emotional torment that had been ripping me apart faded to a backround hum, and I felt at peace. It’s taken me years to get an elementary understanding of why the Church opposes gay marriage, but I’m making progress, and I no longer feel any pain at the idea of never marrying Sarah. I do believe she’s out there, the girl I would have married if I wasn’t Catholic or wasn’t educated about Church doctrine, and I pray for her. I wonder if I’ll meet her. I wonder if she’s happy. I wonder if fate will bring her into another woman’s arms. I’m terrified that one day, I will meet her, I’ll fall in love and have to walk away. But I’ve been able to stay on this path not because of rules, not because I want to be alone, but because my relationship with Jesus is more fulfilling than anything Sarah has to offer. I didn’t settle for less, I discovered more. No, it’s not easy being chaste. Even as an asexual, I do struggle with romantic fantasy, I do get aroused, I do have to continually trust and surrender when I don’t understand Church teaching, I do have to view women as sisters not objects for gratification. That’s a challenge. But everything worthwhile is. The GLBT community doesn’t have a heavier cross than heterosexuals, it’s just shaped different.

That said, no, the Church isn’t going to change the law that gay lust and sex is sinful, because she didn’t create that law. God did. God created that law, though we may not understand how in this moment or this life, because He wants what is best for us. For God (and thus the Church) to change a law would be a contradiction, which God doesn’t have and a decrease in love for GLBT people, which God also will never have.

I hope you find it helpful. Feel free to PM me if you want to talk more about it.

 

[hausofferni]

Your questions are totally valid. I’m biromatnic asexual, happily Catholic and am finding answers to your question myself day by day. This is what I can tell you right now.

Obviously, two asexuals can have a gay romantic relationship without difficulty, and I know there are people out there who have sexual attraction and have been able to live without sex in a gay romantic relationship as well. So yes sexless relationships do exist, it is possible, maybe not for every individual.

You’re right, none of us want to be alone, we all want to “share love” in one way or another. The Church calls us to chastity, but also to community. God is showing me that being celibate does NOT = being alone. There is an epic community of Christians who write about and discuss the concept of spiritual friendship, and how people with ssa can/should cultivate these kinds of relationships. They have a blog, which is amazing, and you should totally subscribe and go through past posts. spiritualfriendship.org/ They are my favorite blog hands down.

Another big point is that choosing chastity for God HAS to be done out of love. Trying to bend down to rules for the sake of rules really never works, because our desire for having a significant other is stronger, more primal, than our desire to fit in someone’s box of laws. I tried and failed many times to follow the rules “because the Church says so and I don’t want to go to Hell”. Epic fails. Love does conquer fear. What I discovered is that Love conquers love. I chose to enter into a relationship with Jesus. I started talking to Him, visiting Him in Adoration, being honest with my struggles and asking Him for the grace to get where I was to where He wanted me. As Jesus became my friend, and I meditated on what He suffered for my salvation, I was overcome by the knowledge that He was all wise, all loving, and all trustworthy. I gave myself to Him, surrendering to His will, out of love for the One who’s hands were pierced for me. I started learning His will through Church teachings, and began striving to be chaste. Growing up, I believed the Church condemned gay sex, but not gay legal marriages or gay romantic celibate relationships. Being asexual, I planned to have a celibate gay marriage. I discovered how wrong I was about Church teaching from an email at the library, at a time when I was making wedding plans on Pinterest, writing love letters to my future wife, and seeking my soulmate on gay dating sites. I left the library sobbing, I cried all the way home, I shut myself in the bathroom and collapsed against the wall as my biggest life dream shattered. I remember sitting on the floor, a complete mess, asking God, “Why can’t I be with Sarah (the name I used to describe my future wife)? Why would it hurt you for us to be married and adopt children and love them? I need her…you can’t forbid me from being loved. I can’t do it!” It was then I had a moment of grace. The thought came to me: ‘Jesus was tortured for you. Do you believe He loves you? Jesus is God. Do you believe you’re wiser than Him?’ I answered Yes and No. The thought line continued, “God loves you more than you love yourself. He made you, and knows your needs better than you do. He is all wise and can make decisions better than you. Trust Him now, surrender to His will, and eventually you’ll understand.” I got on my knees, and prayed something along the lines of, “God, I’m in pain, this is the hardest thing I’ve ever done, but I give this to you, I trust you, and I surrender to Your will, because you are more loving and wise than I am.” Instantly, I felt such a sense of peace. The emotional torment that had been ripping me apart faded to a backround hum, and I felt at peace. It’s taken me years to get an elementary understanding of why the Church opposes gay marriage, but I’m making progress, and I no longer feel any pain at the idea of never marrying Sarah. I do believe she’s out there, the girl I would have married if I wasn’t Catholic or wasn’t educated about Church doctrine, and I pray for her. I wonder if I’ll meet her. I wonder if she’s happy. I wonder if fate will bring her into another woman’s arms. I’m terrified that one day, I will meet her, I’ll fall in love and have to walk away. But I’ve been able to stay on this path not because of rules, not because I want to be alone, but because my relationship with Jesus is more fulfilling than anything Sarah has to offer. I didn’t settle for less, I discovered more. No, it’s not easy being chaste. Even as an asexual, I do struggle with romantic fantasy, I do get aroused, I do have to continually trust and surrender when I don’t understand Church teaching, I do have to view women as sisters not objects for gratification. That’s a challenge. But everything worthwhile is. The GLBT community doesn’t have a heavier cross than heterosexuals, it’s just shaped different.

That said, no, the Church isn’t going to change the law that gay lust and sex is sinful, because she didn’t create that law. God did. God created that law, though we may not understand how in this moment or this life, because He wants what is best for us. For God (and thus the Church) to change a law would be a contradiction, which God doesn’t have and a decrease in love for GLBT people, which God also will never have.

I hope you find it helpful. Feel free to PM me if you want to talk more about it.

Thank you very much for sharing this brave Inspiring story!! God bless!

 

[zamyrabyrd]

I am not going to copy the above post, but I really don’t know what “asexual” is. With all the new terminology about sexuality, it seems to me that with very few exceptions that have to do with genetic abnormalities, we are either one or the other, male or female.

That said, I don’t know what is a bi-sexual person nor a transgender. I won’t go into the other two letters since some people would swear that these are identities rather than behavior. I will reserve my own opinion.

One thing I did learn along the way, and thanks to some very good sermons on it: *“Take delight in the Lord, and he will give you the desires of your heart.” *Psalm 37:4

For me it meant that I did desire things that were harmful to me, didn’t know why. These could be for others: drugs, alcohol, food, and even the wrong partner, or love attractions. As for the latter, when for dysfunctional reasons, I was drawn to certain people, the test would have been if I actually got what I thought I wanted. It would have been a disaster.

The romantic fallacy that happens over and over again is wanting what you can’t have. The imagination goes wild because there is no reality check. In past, unfortunately too long to imagine that people joined together for sober reasons rather than being emotionally swept up. This might be the bubbly champagne that crowns a relationship but shouldn’t be the reason for it.

It took me a long time to get to this place. Serenity is much nicer than emotional turmoil. I believe God wants us to have peace of mind. Anything that threatens or disturbs it, could not be good for us.

 

[Andrea_Day]

I am not going to copy the above post, but I really don’t know what “asexual” is. With all the new terminology about sexuality, it seems to me that with very few exceptions that have to do with genetic abnormalities, we are either one or the other, male or female. That said, I don’t know what is a bi-sexual person nor a transgender. I won’t go into the other two letters since some people would swear that these are identities rather than behavior. I will reserve my own opinion.

Allow me to explain. I know it can be a little confusing but I’ll do my best.

Every person has a sexual orientation and a romantic orientation. Your sexual orientation is who you are sexually attracted to. Your romantic orientation is who you are romantically attracted to. Sexual and romantic orientations are fluid, in other words, capable of changing over time. Some orientations:

Asexual (or Ace for short): Sexually attracted to no one
Aromantic: Romantically attracted to no one
Gray-Ace: Sexually attracted to very few people, have very low desire for sex, sexually attracted to people only under specific circumstances
Heterosexual: Sexually attracted to people of the opposite sex
Homosexual: Sexually attracted to people of the same sex
Heteroromantic: Romantically attracted to people of the opposite sex
Homoromantic: Romantically attracted to people of the same sex
Bisexual: Sexually attracted to men and women
Biromantic: Romantically attracted to men and women
Demisexual (a type of Gray-Ace) Sexually attracted only to people they are in a committed, loving relationship with

There are many more, but you get the idea.

As a biromantic ace, I have a strong, deep desire to be in a romantic relationship with someone, either man or woman, though I’m most strongly attracted to women. I have no desire at all to participate in sexual acts.

Now, I’m not an expert in gender, but as I understand it, all of us have basic components which are male, female or a combination: our genitalia, brain, hormones, chromosomes etc. Normally, all the components in your body are decisively male or female, and we think of people with female components as females and people with male components as males. But some people have components which don’t follow this pattern, and we know these people as intersex and transgender. These people are not freaks, but beloved children of God who deserve our love and support.

Now gender identity is whether you feel male, female or neither, based on the gender stereotypes you’ve grown up with, and your identity affects how you present yourself. For example, if a child is born with male components, a love for pink, an interest in dolls, an enjoyment in tea parties and his parents tell him, “Only girls like pink, play with dolls and like tea parties”, the boy will probably respond, “I’m a girl”. In reality, this child may be male biologically, but because of the rules his family or society impresses on him, they can do a lot of damage. In truth, there is nothing wrong with a boy liking dolls or a girl liking cars. The healthy, Catholic response to this child would be, “You are a wonderful little boy, God loves you so much, I love you so much. There is nothing wrong with being a boy who likes pink, dolls and tea parties.”

This video basically covers what I’ve been explaining: youtube.com/watch?v=oIDKLt0cj-c

Whatever your gender or orientation, you are loved by God, called to be in relationship with Him, called to love your neighbor and become a Saint. The same commandments are given to all of us, but each person has their own set of struggles in which commandments are difficult for them. Some people might say, “Chastity must be easy for aces!” Not this one. Yes, it’s easy for me not to give my body to another person sexually outside of marriage, but chasity means more than that. Staying emotionally chaste, saving your heart for your spouse is a huge struggle, as is not objectifying people, reading/watching clean fiction, etc.

 

[Andrea_Day]

Thank you very much for sharing this brave Inspiring story!! God bless!

You are welcome. Thank you for your kind words. God Bless!

 

[zamyrabyrd]

Allow me to explain. I know it can be a little confusing but I’ll do my best.
Every person has a sexual orientation and a romantic orientation. Your sexual orientation is who you are sexually attracted to. Your romantic orientation is who you are romantically attracted to. Sexual and romantic orientations are fluid, in other words, capable of changing over time. Some orientations:

Asexual (or Ace for short): Sexually attracted to no one
Aromantic: Romantically attracted to no one
Gray-Ace: Sexually attracted to very few people, have very low desire for sex, sexually attracted to people only under specific circumstances
Heterosexual: Sexually attracted to people of the opposite sex
Homosexual: Sexually attracted to people of the same sex
Heteroromantic: Romantically attracted to people of the opposite sex
Homoromantic: Romantically attracted to people of the same sex
Bisexual: Sexually attracted to men and women
Biromantic: Romantically attracted to men and women
Demisexual (a type of Gray-Ace) Sexually attracted only to people they are in a committed, loving relationship with
.

I’m sorry you went through all that trouble. I hope most of it was cut and pasted. I don’t buy ANY of it. You state these orientations as though they are facts but they are merely speculations that make something which is simple, needlessly complex.

I’ll use myself as an example. I am a woman. I am just me. I don’t have any orientation but I wouldn’t call my self asexual because that means to me not being male nor female. When I was about six, someone said “Who is that little boy?” It was winter and I was dressed snugly with pants and a cap. I wondered about it only briefly. There were some teachers of both sexes I admired as an adolescent. In fact, I remember my daughter having a passing crush on a older girl counselor at summer camp. No big deal.

Whatever may have gone wrong with my family, the modelling I received from my parents and the larger society around me was to be comfortable with being a girl and later a woman. This is only natural. if my brothers played with tea cups, my father might have disapproved (an understatement) but at least it would have prevented them later confusion as to who they were.

I met a brother and sister who seemed to have their preferences reversed. The guy used to wheel dolls in a carriage and the girl always wore pants and was very sportive. Again, this was not regarded with any importance except the mother was a little concerned. The outer envelope of their family and society reinforced their biological gender. They grew up to have normal families.

I dislike the whole idea of orientation, splitting it into two. I’m sorry but I regard this as not only nonsense but harmful. If I like or love a certain person, I don’t separate romantic feelings from a physical one. As I understand and have experienced it, female sexuality depends more on the wining, dining and courtship. Men’s triggers are different and more direct, can be called arousal but with women it is a process. Hormones definitely have something to do with it.

Joining up sexual and romantic, well, this is fixed on one person I happen to like or love. But even so, we are still more than those two categories. One can love someone for their character (is that supposed to be a dinosaur?) or for other qualities. Why isolate romantic? There is a reason and it is called cultural conditioning. Like Brooke Logan in “Bold and Beautiful”, love is supposed to be a whoopie experience and if you are not on that high, then something must be wrong. NOT!

I got the heads up about the romantic fallacy, not only in the process of maturation, because essentially it is adolescent, from Robin Norwood’s books: “Women Who Love too Much”. Hunger is not love, it is hunger. It is likely that some other need is being covered up (like Brooke who was always searching for a Daddy figure).

I happen to be a musician and was reading about American folk music and spirituals where it said that so much of it is about loneliness. With the further breakup of families in the latter part of the 20th century, there is a flood of “all the lonely people, where do they all come from?” The point is they are producing more of the same, while holding onto a fantasy of romantic love that is in effect, sadly removed from reality.

As for gender theory, I not only believe it phony science but even funny. There was a joke told to us by our Math teacher in high school. A farmer’s son went home to visit his dad and he asked him if he could say something in Math, thinking it was a foreign language. So the boy said that A = π (pi) x radius squared. The father screamed NO!!! Pie is round!!!

Likewise for human sexuality, we don’t need more than what the Good Book says: “He made the male and female.”

 

[Andrea_Day]

I’m sorry you went through all that trouble. I hope most of it was cut and pasted. I don’t buy ANY of it. You state these orientations as though they are facts but they are merely speculations that make something which is simple, needlessly complex.

I’ll use myself as an example. I am a woman. I am just me. I don’t have any orientation but

Likewise for human sexuality, we don’t need more than what the Good Book says: “He made the male and female.”

I’m sorry, your post is stating lots of things that aren’t true and it doesn’t make a lot of sense. I don’t feel inclined to argue over things so basic as the idea that orientations exist, but I will say this:

I’m asexual. I don’t “separate” my romantic feelings from sexual ones, because I don’t have sexual ones. I use terminology that distinguishes romance from sexuality, because without it, I can’t explain my experience to others or understand others’ experience. Yes, orientation terminology is very complex, but we use it to understand ourselves, others, and love better with this knowledge, so the complexity is worth it.

To say orientations are speculations is like saying personalities are speculations. We all have them, and the specific orientation names are the words society uses to describe the different experiences of people. They aren’t a theory any more than hair color or personalities are.

Adam and Eve were two people who lived long ago. God made Adam fully male and Eve fully female. This fact has nothing to do with the biological reality of intersex and transgender persons today.

 

[zamyrabyrd]

I’m sorry, your post is stating lots of things that aren’t true and it doesn’t make a lot of sense. I don’t feel inclined to argue over things so basic as the idea that orientations exist, but I will say this:

I’m asexual. I don’t “separate” my romantic feelings from sexual ones, because I don’t have sexual ones. I use terminology that distinguishes romance from sexuality, because without it, I can’t explain my experience to others or understand others’ experience. Yes, orientation terminology is very complex, but we use it to understand ourselves, others, and love better with this knowledge, so the complexity is worth it.

To say orientations are speculations is like saying personalities are speculations. We all have them, and the specific orientation names are the words society uses to describe the different experiences of people. They aren’t a theory any more than hair color or personalities are.

Adam and Eve were two people who lived long ago. God made Adam fully male and Eve fully female. This fact has nothing to do with the biological reality of intersex and transgender persons today.

I’ll go further about the harmfulness of the so-called gender theory. It is a ploy of social engineering to destroy the bases of normal sexuality so that a monogamous heterosexual union becomes like a choice of a list of ice cream flavors rather than the pillar that supports the structure of society.

You can’t tell me that what I say isn’t true because this is what our civilization has been based on for 2000 years, the same with any high civilization that has revered the institution of the family. Anytime it has been undermined or subverted, starting with the last years of the Roman Empire, the French Revolution, the Nazi era, the spread of Communism, it was with a strong dose of sexual confusion and immorality, the latter as a result of what all this nonsense leads to.

Orientation to me is a pernicious idea that reminds me of experiments showing racy pictures to individuals and seeing if they react. This is the ruinous result of pornography, that we take for granted already being that it is so omnipresent, separating the desire from the person and making it a thing unto itself.

Why don’t we all have calling cards we can exchange when we meet? Like “Hello I am Candi. Here are my preferred pronouns, I am intersex, but hemi-demisexuaL” I really don’t care what kind of sexual attraction someone has, and like it was once upon a time in civil society, PLEASE keep it to yourself!!!

This is terrible to state as just one kind of sexuality: 'Demisexual (a type of Gray-Ace) Sexually attracted only to people they are in a committed, loving relationship with"
Gray-Ace: Sexually attracted to very few people, have very low desire for sex, sexually attracted to people only under specific circumstances

Hey, the above is NORMAL sexuality, what God intended and what people took for granted for thousands of years, to commit to one person for the purpose of procreation! All the others are just pathetic excuses for dysfunction.

One has to remember that the Aryan racial theory of the Nazis and the flawed Soviet genetics of Lysenko came out of universities pushing a social agenda. This made their theories no less phony science as is gender-bender nonsense coming from prejudiced professors today. It is bunk, but it is not only bunk, it is poison.

 

[Vic_Taltrees_UK]

… there are people who just don’t see themselves living alone in a house with no one else to love and support them, they need someone else. Does the church not know what to do with people with same sex attraction? …

These are different questions and very interesting ones too.

Christianity has been made into a mega individualistic caper. Therefore what we are offered as “Christianity” (which isn’t the real thing at all) doesn’t answer our loneliness!

Many threads have been looking at SSA. Jesus and the Apostles invite those who have been made part of the Church to manifest the fruit of indwelling Christ and Holy Spirit survival power in chastity generally, along with the other fruits, including praying for and strengthening the other Church members.

Why would anyone go to the venue you describe and say that?

 

[Vic_Taltrees_UK]

Zamyra (68), “asexual” simply means one isn’t sex-mad, i.e not part of the “JP II Army”

One may have been like that all along or have got like it recently - doesn’t matter which. Sounds like a lot of CAF members are a bit that way “inclined” if that isn’t too “slanted” a word !!!

 

[zamyrabyrd]

Zamyra (68), “asexual” simply means one isn’t sex-mad, i.e not part of the “JP II Army”

One may have been like that all along or have got like it recently - doesn’t matter which. Sounds like a lot of CAF members are a bit that way “inclined” if that isn’t too “slanted” a word !!!

It’s all baloney, but the pernicious part is hiding behind. Constructing artificial identities will trump natural ones and there the trouble begins, if it hasn’t already:

mercatornet.com/articles/view/new-men-new-rights/17395

"Thus the problem is not that human rights have been redefined. The root problem is a prior one: just as we cannot redefine legal marriage for some people only, so too we either have the natural definition of human embedded in law for everybody or an artificial definition created for everybody. Given that the State now regards some people to be transgender, the State does have an artificial definition for some people. Therefore it has an artificial definition for everybody.

The disappearance of natural rights

We cannot under the aegis of the word human validly demand access to identities which are not that thing, yet the State does now permit access to such identities. Man has been de-sexed in law, with our fundamental legal identity now consisting of a self-chosen state of mind, a gender identity, the concomitant effect of which is the redefinition of human rights: if we are “new men”, we are not owed old (natural) rights. The “rights” (permissions) owed to New Man are not limited by the nature of the body and instead exist in the form of innumerable legal permissions, fit for our unlimited imagination.

Indeed the artificial legal version of man must, like a virus, go on to infect the whole of the legal person. Legal recognition of authentic man is eaten away by the acid of gender identity. New Man is owed a new knowledge (where fact is opinion and opinion is fact) and, as Ahmanson shows, a new dignity, the form of which is not sculpted by the hand of God but is instead moulded by the endlessly shifting landscape of the human mind.’