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Does the Saturday vigil take the same form as a regular Sunday mass? I have a St Joseph’s Sunday Missal. Will I be able to use that to follow along? Going to mass in a few hours with some friends of mine.
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Solomonson
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Same exact form and order of the Mass. For certain Masses (Easter, Christmas, etc.) there can be different readings depending on the Mass (vigil, daybreak, day), but that will be clearly shown in your St. Joe’s missalette.Does the Saturday vigil take the same form as a regular Sunday mass? I have a St Joseph’s Sunday Missal. Will I be able to use that to follow along? Going to mass in a few hours with some friends of mine.
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peter26
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Yes, although its not uncommon for it to be a simpler said service on Saturday nights.
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The Saturday evening mass IS the Sunday mass.
Assuming you have the 3rd edition missal, you should be able to follow along with responses, prayers, and readings.
If it’s an older missal you have, you can follow along in the missaletres or other provided worship aid instead.
Assuming you have the 3rd edition missal, you should be able to follow along with responses, prayers, and readings.
If it’s an older missal you have, you can follow along in the missaletres or other provided worship aid instead.
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FrDavid96
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Yes.Does the Saturday vigil take the same form as a regular Sunday mass? I have a St Joseph’s Sunday Missal. Will I be able to use that to follow along? Going to mass in a few hours with some friends of mine.
A Mass on Saturday evening or night is the Sunday Mass. And yes, you’re correct that the pages in your Missal will be those that pertain to Sunday (the following calendar day).
As has already been mentioned, some special Holy Days (Easter, Christmas, Pentecost, etc.) do have different Mass parts for the evening Masses.
The reason is also important: in the biblical method of counting days, the transition from one day to the next is sunset. For the early Christians, the Christian Sabbath began at sunset on Saturday. Eastern Christians still use this method. Even Western Christians never really stopped observing this, because we’ve always prayed Sunday prayers (what we now call “First Vespers”) on Saturday evening. The Jewish people never stopped using it, which is why they begin the Sabbath on Friday evening.
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poche
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That is also the reason when a person worked six days they really worked Monday through Friday all day and only a half day on Saturday.Yes.
A Mass on Saturday evening or night is the Sunday Mass. And yes, you’re correct that the pages in your Missal will be those that pertain to Sunday (the following calendar day).
As has already been mentioned, some special Holy Days (Easter, Christmas, Pentecost, etc.) do have different Mass parts for the evening Masses.
The reason is also important: in the biblical method of counting days, the transition from one day to the next is sunset. For the early Christians, the Christian Sabbath began at sunset on Saturday. Eastern Christians still use this method. Even Western Christians never really stopped observing this, because we’ve always prayed Sunday prayers (what we now call “First Vespers”) on Saturday evening. The Jewish people never stopped using it, which is why they begin the Sabbath on Friday evening.
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PopePiusXIISupp
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Yes it does count. This is an explanation from a book about Vespers which does explain vigils. The chapter begins where the quotation mark is. The new liturgical day begins after first Vespers has been said, hence the vigils, but since it is not the next day psychically, the commemoration (if there is one) is made. The same would apply to Vespers II. This is how the church has worked even before Vatican II.
"Etymology, nature and synonyms. The word vigil is from the Latin vigilare, to keep awake, to watch, because in old times the night before any great event, religious or worldly, was spent in watching. Thus, the night prior to ordination to the priesthood, the night prior to a great battle, was spent in watching before the altar. Hence, the word vigil came to mean the prayers said during the time of watching or waking, preparatory to the great event. It signified, too, the fast accompanying the watching, and lastly it came to mean the liturgical office of Mass and Breviary fixed for the time of vigilance. In the Roman Church it was sometimes called the nocturn or night office. The Greeks call the vigil profesta, the time before the feast.
The custom existed among the pagans, almost universally, before the time of Christ. The Jews practised this ancient night prayer, as the scripture in several places shows, “in noctibus extollite manus vestras in sancta” (Psalm 133). Our Saviour sanctified this use by His example, and the early Christians were, on account of these night assemblies, the objects of fear and dread, of admiration and of hatred. Organised vigils lasted till the thirteenth century in some countries, but owing to abuses and discord they became not a source of edification, but the occasion and cause of grave scandals, and were forbidden gradually and universally. The Church now retains for the faithful one congregational vigil, the vigil of Christmas. Formerly, it was customary to observe a fast on a day or night of a vigil, but that custom was suppressed sometimes, or fell into disuse. Vigil fasts are now few. Almost the only relic of the vigil now remaining is the Mass and Office.
When were vigils held? In the early ages they were held only on Saturday nights and on nights preceding great solemnities or the festivals of the Martyrs. The early converts, if they had been pagans, knew few or no prayer formulae, and very little of the psalms was learned by them even in their Christian practice. But Jews who became Christians knew psalms and hymns and prayers. So that in the early Christian vigils, there was no attempt made at reciting the Divine Office, and the custom of such recitation was not introduced until about 220 A.D. and was not obligatory (Duchesne, Christian Worship, Chap. VIII.).
It is difficult to speak with certainty about the hour of beginning or the hour of ending these vigil services. Some think that the first nocturn was said about 9 p.m. Lauds was said before sunrise and hence was called Laudes-matutinae. But “after the middle of the ninth century, we gather from contemporary documents, that the office of vigils was, as a whole, regularly constituted and well known” (Baudot, p.64). These vigils were held in cenacles or upper rooms of houses. During the days of persecution these meetings were not infrequent and were held secretly in crypts, catacombs, private houses and at martyrs’ tombs. In times of peace they were held everywhere, in churches, monasteries, castles.
Vigils are divided into two classes, major and minor; major vigils are the vigils of Christmas, Epiphany and Pentecost, and they are called privileged vigils and are celebrated as semi-doubles. The vigils of Christmas and Pentecost are privileged vigils of the first class. The vigil of Epiphany is a privileged vigil of the second class. All others are minor or non-privileged vigils."
Chapter IV. The Contents of the Breviary, Section II. The Year and Its Parts. Epacts And New Moons. General Rubrics of the Breviary. Title VI.—The Office of Vigils. A study of the Roman Breviary By Rev. E.J. Quigley, 1920
"Etymology, nature and synonyms. The word vigil is from the Latin vigilare, to keep awake, to watch, because in old times the night before any great event, religious or worldly, was spent in watching. Thus, the night prior to ordination to the priesthood, the night prior to a great battle, was spent in watching before the altar. Hence, the word vigil came to mean the prayers said during the time of watching or waking, preparatory to the great event. It signified, too, the fast accompanying the watching, and lastly it came to mean the liturgical office of Mass and Breviary fixed for the time of vigilance. In the Roman Church it was sometimes called the nocturn or night office. The Greeks call the vigil profesta, the time before the feast.
The custom existed among the pagans, almost universally, before the time of Christ. The Jews practised this ancient night prayer, as the scripture in several places shows, “in noctibus extollite manus vestras in sancta” (Psalm 133). Our Saviour sanctified this use by His example, and the early Christians were, on account of these night assemblies, the objects of fear and dread, of admiration and of hatred. Organised vigils lasted till the thirteenth century in some countries, but owing to abuses and discord they became not a source of edification, but the occasion and cause of grave scandals, and were forbidden gradually and universally. The Church now retains for the faithful one congregational vigil, the vigil of Christmas. Formerly, it was customary to observe a fast on a day or night of a vigil, but that custom was suppressed sometimes, or fell into disuse. Vigil fasts are now few. Almost the only relic of the vigil now remaining is the Mass and Office.
When were vigils held? In the early ages they were held only on Saturday nights and on nights preceding great solemnities or the festivals of the Martyrs. The early converts, if they had been pagans, knew few or no prayer formulae, and very little of the psalms was learned by them even in their Christian practice. But Jews who became Christians knew psalms and hymns and prayers. So that in the early Christian vigils, there was no attempt made at reciting the Divine Office, and the custom of such recitation was not introduced until about 220 A.D. and was not obligatory (Duchesne, Christian Worship, Chap. VIII.).
It is difficult to speak with certainty about the hour of beginning or the hour of ending these vigil services. Some think that the first nocturn was said about 9 p.m. Lauds was said before sunrise and hence was called Laudes-matutinae. But “after the middle of the ninth century, we gather from contemporary documents, that the office of vigils was, as a whole, regularly constituted and well known” (Baudot, p.64). These vigils were held in cenacles or upper rooms of houses. During the days of persecution these meetings were not infrequent and were held secretly in crypts, catacombs, private houses and at martyrs’ tombs. In times of peace they were held everywhere, in churches, monasteries, castles.
Vigils are divided into two classes, major and minor; major vigils are the vigils of Christmas, Epiphany and Pentecost, and they are called privileged vigils and are celebrated as semi-doubles. The vigils of Christmas and Pentecost are privileged vigils of the first class. The vigil of Epiphany is a privileged vigil of the second class. All others are minor or non-privileged vigils."
Chapter IV. The Contents of the Breviary, Section II. The Year and Its Parts. Epacts And New Moons. General Rubrics of the Breviary. Title VI.—The Office of Vigils. A study of the Roman Breviary By Rev. E.J. Quigley, 1920
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For the most part, yes. There are some exceptions, where the readings and propers are different, such as the Easter Vigil Mass and Easter Sunday, or the Vigil of Pentecost and Pentecost, but even then, those would still fulfill those obligations to attend Mass.Does the Saturday vigil take the same form as a regular Sunday mass? I have a St Joseph’s Sunday Missal. Will I be able to use that to follow along? Going to mass in a few hours with some friends of mine.
Concerning fulfilling your obligation to attend Mass, yes. Attending the Mass of Anticipation on Saturday evening fulfills your Sunday obligation to attend Mass. Similarly, for Holy Days of Obligation, attending the Mass of Anticipation on the evening of the preceding day fulfills your obligation to attend Mass for the Holy Day.
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