Question about snake handlers

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Well, surely they know the difference from actually ‘speaking in tongues’ and just babbling non-words?
We were told they were “angelic” languages. So who would know what the angels speak? 🤷

After I left the Pentecostal church, I realized the “tongues” were just babble. Which is one reason I’ve steered clear of the Catholic charismatic movement.
 
We were told they were “angelic” languages. So who would know what the angels speak? 🤷

After I left the Pentecostal church, I realized the “tongues” were just babble. Which is one reason I’ve steered clear of the Catholic charismatic movement.
Is there actually an ‘angelic language’ used by angels/demons? I know some demons and angels have symbols designated to them, Ive seen them before, but seems like there would be an actual language, Ive never heard of this before, or anyone talking about it. does the bible mention anything about this?
 
Is there actually an ‘angelic language’ used by angels/demons?
SInce they don’t have bodies, they don’t need language. I’ve always assumed that angels (which would include demons) could communicate directly. In the Bible, when angels speak to people, they use the language the person can understand.
 
We were told they were “angelic” languages. So who would know what the angels speak? 🤷

After I left the Pentecostal church, I realized the “tongues” were just babble. Which is one reason I’ve steered clear of the Catholic charismatic movement.
It’s often described as “angelic language.” However, there is nothing in Scripture that equates speaking in tongues with the language of angels. However, there is Scripture that supports the idea that speaking in tongues is communication with God that men cannot understand. Besides 1 Cor. 14:2, there are other verses that make this point. For example, Paul says in 1 Cor. 14:14, “For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays but my mind is unfruitful.”
Is there actually an ‘angelic language’ used by angels/demons? I know some demons and angels have symbols designated to them, Ive seen them before, but seems like there would be an actual language, Ive never heard of this before, or anyone talking about it. does the bible mention anything about this?
When Pentecostals say that speaking in tongues is “angelic language,” they are referencing a statement by Paul in 1 Cor. 13:1, “If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal.” Given the context, Pentecostals believe Paul is talking about speaking in tongues here. Others just say Paul is not literally referencing angelic tongues but is referring to having a wide knowledge of languages.

Anyway, its not really important for how Pentecostals understand speaking in tongues. Whether or not its “angelic,” the defining feature of speaking or singing in tongues is that it is done “in the Spirit.”

Nevertheless, there is a tradition within Jewish religious literature found in the Dead Sea Scrolls and the Testament of Job about human beings being inspired to speak angelic languages.
 
The TV program itself is just another rural exploitation reality show. It doesn’t matter if the subject matter is God, duck decoys, catfishing by hand, hunting alligators, the point of all these shows is to show “how crazy and backward” rural people are. :mad:
It does seem like some TV producers think the country outside of New York and LA is like a zoo and they just explore every so often.

The irony is, they have it backwards.
 
It does seem like some TV producers think the country outside of New York and LA is like a zoo and they just explore every so often.

The irony is, they have it backwards.
So true! Because I’ve chosen to live in the woods, occasionally people (those who know me only on-line) think I’m an uneducated hick. They should see our private library!

Even a relative who should know better thinks we’re “brave” because we occasionally have ursine visitors. 😃
 
There is a new documentary show on tv about a small church in southern KY where they handle snakes during the services, an off shoot of Pentecostal I believe.

They go out in the local forest to get the snakes and use rattlesnakes and water moccasins mostly, so these are not snakes bought in a store or used to being handled. I was surprised when they were holding these snakes and dancing around, the snakes were not biting them!! The pastor said out of the 30 yrs he has been leading the congregation, he has only been bit twice, I find this hard to argue with, Is there really something to this?

I dont think anyone could get by with luck for over 30 yrs when it comes to handling dangerous snakes, almost every day, so it is not luck, other than God himself, not sure what else it could be.

Along with the snake handling, they also have propane torches, and I saw little 12 yr old kids holding these LIT torches up to their hands, and NOTHING happened, their skin was perfectly fine after the service…How is this possible? Again, the only thing I can think of, is IT TRULY is God acting on these people.

Dont worry though, Im not about to go join one of these churches, Im just curious how the things they have been doing for decades and decades has not caused many of them to die, especially holding torches right up on your skin!! If I did this, my skin would burn off, but theirs do not for some reason. We all laugh about these types of people, but is it possible they know something we do not?
Whether they get burnt or bit is not the real issue. Why on earth do these people do this? What have these rituals to do with Christianity?
 
Whether they get burnt or bit is not the real issue. Why on earth do these people do this? What have these rituals to do with Christianity?
The bible verse about God telling instructing people that they can take up serpents in his name and not be harmed, is what they are basing it off of, and if you look at their numbers, and how long many of their members have been doing this, it does seem they are correct, I dont ever hear of anyone dying from this? Plus, these snakes are not tame, they are caught out in the mountains, so they are not used to being held by people, I find it amazing more are not killed, and LUCK is not involved, they do this many times a week, and are not bit, so that is too often for luck to be a factor.

Im not going to join one of these churches, but I do have to respect their numbers and lack of many deaths, when really, there should be alot.
 
Found it! A bit longer ago than “recently” - my memory is a little wonky. It happened in May of 2012.

Excerpt from the article:
A “serpent-handling” West Virginia pastor died after his rattlesnake bit him during a church ritual, just as the man had apparently watched a snake kill his father years before.
Pentecostal pastor Mark Wolford, 44, hosted an outdoor service at the Panther Wildlife Management Area in West Virginia Sunday, which he touted on his Facebook page prior to the event.
“I am looking for a great time this Sunday,” Wolford wrote May 22, according to the Washington Post. “It is going to be a homecoming like the old days. Good 'ole raised in the holler or mountain ridge running, Holy Ghost-filled speaking-in-tongues sign believers.”
Here is the link to the whole article:
news.yahoo.com/serpent-handling-west-virginia-pastor-dies-snake-bite-173406645–abc-news-topstories.html
 
Snake handlers do get bit occasionally. They do die sometimes.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snake_handling#Risks

I mentioned this in the other thread…Rattlesnakes and Copperheads aren’t particularly aggressive snakes. They can be handled. When they do strike, it is often “dry bites” that contain no venom (it does the snake little good to waste venom on something too big for it to eat.) I know a herpetologist that works for the state and keeps venomous snakes. He handles them and has never been bit. He does wear gloves though and follows basic handling safety.

Regardless, it seems much of the misunderstanding about his church is based on misunderstanding the snakes themselves. If this were Africa, and the snakes in question were Black Mambas being passed around, draped on necks, raised to the heavens, I would be impressed. America pit-viper handling doesn’t carry the same amount of risk, the snakes aren’t as aggressive, you are more likely to survive if bitten.
 
Which is why I think everyone ought to have a good dictionary and know how to use it. A good dictionary will give you the etymology of the word, as well as meaning and usage. You’ll never have to ask that question again!

Words are fun. My husband and I enjoy looking up the etymology of words when we’re uncertain of the meaning. We also enjoy word games like Upwords. A fun Internet resource is A Word A Day - today’s word is “shibboleth.”

Looking over this post has me wondering - does this mean husband and I are nerds? 😃
Just so you know I was actually making a joke in reference to the “many tongues one mouth” part of his definition. I do have a dictionary, an unabridged version, as well as a thesaurus, and a scrabble dictionary. I know how to use a dictionary. Just looked up the word “condescending.” Maybe you should look it up too.
 
I know how to use a dictionary. Just looked up the word “condescending.” Maybe you should look it up too.
Had you just quoted the joke instead of the entire post, I would have known the part to which you were responding. I figured you caught the joke and your question was about the meaning of the word. 🤷
 
The TV program itself is just another rural exploitation reality show. It doesn’t matter if the subject matter is God, duck decoys, catfishing by hand, hunting alligators, the point of all these shows is to show “how crazy and backward” rural people are. :mad:

If you want more information about snake-handling churches in Appalachia, read Salvation on Sand Mountain by Dennis Covington. He gets to know these folks as people, away from cameras, and presents a balanced picture of the members themselves and the denomination.
I know. I have lived in Texas almost all of my life and I have never heard accents like the people in that show, who are also from Texas.

I was unable to watch it very long the accents got on my nerves so badly. With television being so prominent I think the people will all sound the same soon no matter where they are.
 
Snake handlers do get bit occasionally. They do die sometimes.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snake_handling#Risks

I mentioned this in the other thread…Rattlesnakes and Copperheads aren’t particularly aggressive snakes. They can be handled. When they do strike, it is often “dry bites” that contain no venom (it does the snake little good to waste venom on something too big for it to eat.) I know a herpetologist that works for the state and keeps venomous snakes. He handles them and has never been bit. He does wear gloves though and follows basic handling safety.

Regardless, it seems much of the misunderstanding about his church is based on misunderstanding the snakes themselves. If this were Africa, and the snakes in question were Black Mambas being passed around, draped on necks, raised to the heavens, I would be impressed. America pit-viper handling doesn’t carry the same amount of risk, the snakes aren’t as aggressive, you are more likely to survive if bitten.
Maybe if all these snake handling churches were given black mambas, or Egyptian asps, and told to handle them in the same way, and see what the result is, I think that would prove to them that they are wrong, and I think they know this, why else would they use fairly harmless snakes in their services?

Id personally like to see them handle a 3-4ft Komodo dragon, However if they did this, or the black mambas, or epyptian asp, and they were still not bitten or affected by the bites, I would lay down my life and vices, and join their church, as I would know FOR SURE what they were doing was truly supernatural and has no other explanation.
 
Those who handle poisonous snakes because the Bible syays “take up serpents” or whatever passage they are relying on, are absolute IDIOTS.
 
Those who handle poisonous snakes because the Bible syays “take up serpents” or whatever passage they are relying on, are absolute IDIOTS.
I know the verse they are talking about, but does anyone know what it actually means, or what is stands for?
 
I know the verse they are talking about, but does anyone know what it actually means, or what is stands for?
Akin to “Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil”.

This not not mean you commit suicide to prove you love Jesus.
 
I don’t know if it’s true for scorpions, but apparently snakes don’t always inject deadly amounts of venom every time they bite.
I don’t know about you, but I sure have no desire to find out either way! 🙂
 
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