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If a person is travelling in a country with really no Catholic churches around, for example, Russia, are they able to fulfill their Sunday obligation in an Orthodox church, without receiving the Sacraments though? Is there special permission needed for this or is this granted automatically?

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If a person is travelling in a country with really no Catholic churches around, for example, Russia, are they able to fulfill their Sunday obligation in an Orthodox church, without receiving the Sacraments though? Is there special permission needed for this or is this granted automatically?
No. It does not fulfill your obligation. Only assisting at Mass in a Catholic Rite fulfills the obligation.

If you are in a location where it is not possible to attend a Catholic Church, you do not have an obligation.
 
If a person is travelling in a country with really no Catholic churches around, for example, Russia, are they able to fulfill their Sunday obligation in an Orthodox church, without receiving the Sacraments though? Is there special permission needed for this or is this granted automatically?

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I’m not sure about the Orthodox Church question but if a Catholic is travelling to a country where there is no Catholic Church and would be unable to attend Sunday Mass then a dispensation has to be obtained before travelling. A dispensation is not automatic.
 
I’m not sure about the Orthodox Church question but if a Catholic is travelling to a country where there is no Catholic Church and would be unable to attend Sunday Mass then a dispensation has to be obtained before travelling. A dispensation is not automatic.
Is a dispensation basically the priest stating you have permission to not attend mass due to extraordinary circumstances?
 
I’m not sure about the Orthodox Church question but if a Catholic is travelling to a country where there is no Catholic Church and would be unable to attend Sunday Mass then a dispensation has to be obtained before travelling. A dispensation is not automatic.
That’s not correct; Can. 1248 § 2 specifically speaks to occasions where “participation in the eucharistic celebration becomes impossible because of the absence of a sacred minister or for another grave cause,” and makes it clear that in such a case there is no obligation, but only a recommendation “that the faithful take part in a liturgy of the word if such a liturgy is celebrated in a parish church or other sacred place according to the prescripts of the diocesan bishop or that they devote themselves to prayer for a suitable time alone, as a family, or, as the occasion permits, in groups of families.”

No one needs a dispensation from doing the impossible.
 
That’s not correct; Can. 1248 § 2 specifically speaks to occasions where “participation in the eucharistic celebration becomes impossible because of the absence of a sacred minister or for another grave cause,” and makes it clear that in such a case there is no obligation, but only a recommendation “that the faithful take part in a liturgy of the word if such a liturgy is celebrated in a parish church or other sacred place according to the prescripts of the diocesan bishop or that they devote themselves to prayer for a suitable time alone, as a family, or, as the occasion permits, in groups of families.”

No one needs a dispensation from doing the impossible.
There is no “grave cause” involved when someone is travelling on business or holiday. They have plenty of time to find out in advance if there is a Cathoic Church where they are going. If there is not then they ask their local priest for a dispensation.
There is no excuse for a traveller not knowing if there is a Catholic Church where they will be going.
 
There is no “grave cause” involved when someone is travelling on business or holiday. They have plenty of time to find out in advance if there is a Cathoic Church where they are going. If there is not then they ask their local priest for a dispensation.
There is no excuse for a traveller not knowing if there is a Catholic Church where they will be going.
I don’t understand why you would need to be dispensed from an obligation that is impossible to fulfill. An obligation doesn’t exist if it is impossible to fulfill it.
 
I don’t understand why you would need to be dispensed from an obligation that is impossible to fulfill. An obligation doesn’t exist if it is impossible to fulfill it.
The Church requires that you fulfill the Sunday obligation (is also fulfilled by Saturday evening Mass). If you know you are travelling to a country where there is no Catholic Church you are deliberately not fulfilling your obligation by your decision to go there. It is your action that means you will not be able to fulfill the obligation and not the fact there is no Church there. You could go to a country where there is a Catholic Church.
You are required, therefore, to get a dispensation to allow you not to fulfill your obligation.
 
If I recall correctly from other threads the OP Monica ] is actually Eastern Catholic.

As I understand things , in Eastern Catholicism the Latin ’ Sunday obligation ’ does not exist .

If away from home and neither an Eastern Catholic Church or a Latin Catholic Church is available Monica would be indeed IS ] permitted to attend an Orthodox Church for Saturday Vespers or Sunday Divine Liturgy though clearly she would not approach the Chalice then ].

Equally she may also remain at ‘home’ and read Typica . All of these options are acceptable for an Eastern Catholic.
 
The Church requires that you fulfill the Sunday obligation (is also fulfilled by Saturday evening Mass). If you know you are travelling to a country where there is no Catholic Church you are deliberately not fulfilling your obligation by your decision to go there. It is your action that means you will not be able to fulfill the obligation and not the fact there is no Church there. You could go to a country where there is a Catholic Church.
You are required, therefore, to get a dispensation to allow you not to fulfill your obligation.
Did the Catholic pioneers who settled here on the American frontier, or came to this country to work in the mines and mills, did they all get dispensations when they settled in towns without any priests available?

I’ve heard of the story of folks like St. Neumann who were “circuit riders” travelling throughout parishes hundreds of miles wide to see widely dispersed parishioners who couldn’t make it to Pittsburgh or other places that did have Catholic churches at an early date.
 
If Is there special permission needed for this or is this granted automatically?

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if you can’t get to Mass because there is no Catholic Church you have no obligation, so no formal dispensation is necessary. You can certainly attend an Orthodox church but are not so obligated. While the Catholic Church permits you to receive communion there, their own rules are much stricter and you would probably not be admitted to communion.
Is a dispensation basically the priest stating you have permission to not attend mass due to extraordinary circumstances?
that is what a dispensation is, but you do not need one if you are simply unable to attend Mass because there is none.
 
If you are somewhere with no Catholic Mass, than you do not have an obligation to attend. It is materially impossible.

If you are in Russia or someplace similar, there may be Eastern Rite Catholic churches that you could attend. That would fulfill your obligation.
 
The Church requires that you fulfill the Sunday obligation (is also fulfilled by Saturday evening Mass). If you know you are travelling to a country where there is no Catholic Church you are deliberately not fulfilling your obligation by your decision to go there. It is your action that means you will not be able to fulfill the obligation and not the fact there is no Church there. You could go to a country where there is a Catholic Church.
You are required, therefore, to get a dispensation to allow you not to fulfill your obligation.
We are not obliged under certain situations such as carrying for the sick or a child. Another is necessary work. If the traveler is going somewhere without Catholic churches for work, they are not willfully disregarding their obligation.

My daughter recently travelled for pleasure to a country with plenty of Catholic churches; however, the tour schedule did not include Mass. Also, being a minor, she could not leave the tour to attend on her own. She did speak to our priest before she left, and he informed her that she did not have an obligation because of the circumstances. He did not tell her she was sinning by choosing to attend this trip. He did say a dispensation was not required.

I suggest all travellers consult their own priests and not the internet for answers to questions like this.
 
I’m not sure about the Orthodox Church question but if a Catholic is travelling to a country where there is no Catholic Church and would be unable to attend Sunday Mass then a dispensation has to be obtained before travelling. A dispensation is not automatic.
A dispensation can be automatic. If there is no possibility of fulfilling one’s obligation, then there is no obligation. The dispensation is supplied by law.
 
Anyone travelling to another country has the responsibility to ensure they can still fulfill their Sunday obligation. They can do so by checking in advance if there is a Catholic Church near where they will be staying. If there is they have no excuse for missing Mass. If they know in advance there is no Catholic Church then they get a dispensation. What’s so hard about that.
 
Anyone travelling to another country has the responsibility to ensure they can still fulfill their Sunday obligation. They can do so by checking in advance if there is a Catholic Church near where they will be staying. If there is they have no excuse for missing Mass. If they know in advance there is no Catholic Church then they get a dispensation. What’s so hard about that.
What’s “hard” is that you seem to be just making this up based on your own opinions, with no references or justification.
 
Anyone travelling to another country has the responsibility to ensure they can still fulfill their Sunday obligation. They can do so by checking in advance if there is a Catholic Church near where they will be staying. If there is they have no excuse for missing Mass. If they know in advance there is no Catholic Church then they get a dispensation. What’s so hard about that.
There is nothing here that says you need to go get a dispensation:

ewtn.com/expert/answers/sunday_mass.htm

Its not like people go to Saudi Arabia for the purpose of not having to go to Mass. If you go there then the expectation is that you won’t be able to attend Mass.
 
There is nothing here that says you need to go get a dispensation:

ewtn.com/expert/answers/sunday_mass.htm

Its not like people go to Saudi Arabia for the purpose of not having to go to Mass. If you go there then the expectation is that you won’t be able to attend Mass.
“Since a “grave cause” is needed to excuse one from this obligation it would be a serious or mortal sin to willfully skip Mass on Sunday or a Holy Day of Obligation, as the Church has always taught. Reasons such as the necessity to work to support one’s family, child care, personal sickness or the care of the sick, necessary travel etc. would excuse a person on a particular occasions. Those who have continuing reason to be excused should consult their pastor.”

Perhaps a business trip might be construed as necessary travel (although, personally, I would not view it that way) but certainly a holiday to a particular country is not “necessary travel”.
 
“Since a “grave cause” is needed to excuse one from this obligation it would be a serious or mortal sin to willfully skip Mass on Sunday or a Holy Day of Obligation, as the Church has always taught. Reasons such as the necessity to work to support one’s family, child care, personal sickness or the care of the sick, necessary travel etc. would excuse a person on a particular occasions. Those who have continuing reason to be excused should consult their pastor.”

Perhaps a business trip might be construed as necessary travel (although, personally, I would not view it that way) but certainly a holiday to a particular country is not “necessary travel”.
The key point is “willfully” skip.

Obviously if one is traveling, one should look and see what Catholic churches are in the vicinity. That doesn’t mean you can’t visit an area because there are no Catholic churches around.

You can’t lounge around Sunday morning in your hotel room because you’re on vacation and don’t want to be bothered with mass and have tons of tourist attractions to visit.

However, common sense says if there aren’t any churches around, like if you are on a 7-day cruise and are at sea on Saturday and Sunday, then you can’t attend mass.

It doesn’t mean you can’t take 7-day cruises.

I would spend an hour in prayer and reading the Word in a situation like this.
 
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