Question about the Catholic Church during the end times

[boomerang]

Some may not agree, but heres what I think the deception will be like…

I think at some point in the future, there will be an earthquake, or some natural disaster will happen and someone will make a HUGE archaeological type discovery as a result, this discovery will seem to disprove what christans have been taught about our creation, it will be EXTREMELY convincing, there will be huge debates about it, may even go on for years, the world will be split into 2 camps, (Im assuming the skeptics will be the minority). But eventually the majority will triumph, they will accept that the bible was wrong or mis-interpreted, and this new discovery has proven who our creators were, they will later say it is wrong to continue worshiping the God of the bible, it is disrespectful of our ‘real’ creators and laws need to be passed, churches need to be shut down, this will even fool many CC leaders, It will be a HUGE thing when it happens.

I’ve thought pretty much the same thing. There will be some kind of mind-blowing discovery that will change the whole God paradigm. I was thinking more along the lines of contact with aliens from another world, who proceed to tell us all about our “god” who is actually just one of the aliens who visited us long ago. If they could pull that off on a global scale, that would be a mind-blower for sure. God would be truly “dead” to a huge number of believers if their faith is not strong. Churches wouldn’t need to be forcibly shut down, they would just fall into disuse. The aliens are demons, of course. Who knows? It’s fun to speculate.

 

[boomerang]

Perhaps the deception revolves around this: "Outside the Church there is no salvation"

POPE PIUS IX:

Also well known is the Catholic teaching that no one can be saved outside the Catholic Church. Eternal salvation cannot be obtained by those who oppose the authority and statements of the same Church and are stubbornly separated from the unity of the Church and also from the successor of Peter, the Roman Pontiff, to whom “the custody of the vineyard has been committed by the Savior.” The words of Christ are clear enough: “If he refuses to listen even to the Church, let him be to you a Gentile and a tax collector;” “He who hears you hears me, and he who rejects you, rejects me, and he who rejects me, rejects him who sent me”

God forbid that the children of the Catholic Church should even in any way be unfriendly to those who are not at all united to us by the same bonds of faith and love. On the contrary, let them be eager always to attend to their needs with all the kind services of Christian charity, whether they are poor or sick or suffering any other kind of visitation. First of all, let them rescue them from the darkness of the errors into which they have unhappily fallen and strive to guide them back to Catholic truth and to their most loving Mother who is ever holding out her maternal arms to receive them lovingly back into her fold. Thus, firmly founded in faith, hope, and charity and fruitful in every good work, they will gain eternal salvation.

This is a teaching that has fallen out of favor among Catholics, even the clergy. “All other Christian denominations are as good as the next. They say they believe in Christ, that’s good enough.”

What if it’s not good enough? What if all other Christians are doomed because they are not under the authority of Peter, and are not receiving the sacraments, even if they seem “Christian”? If that is true, then that could be a very easy apostasy to commit, fooling even the elect. I’ve heard Catholic clergy saying that Protestants go to heaven, it’s just a little more difficult for them. But what if that’s not true? What if it’s actually impossible for them to go to heaven?

The common belief that all Christians will go to heaven could be what is called “antichrist.” Maybe “antiChrist” is this erroneous belief, not a person. This is the kind of thing that can easily slip under the radar and can lead directly to the notion that all “good” people will go to heaven, even if they are not believers at all. Who knows?

 

[mikekle]

That is rather interesting.I think I read that scenario before. It seems sort of an offshoot of the zecharia sitchin alien creator theory.

Yeah, Ive read a summary of his theory, I dont buy it, or others like his, mainly because they are ASSUMING these ‘aliens’ are actually beings from another planet or dimension. I am tending to believe all these aliens, UFO sightings, alien abduction stories are nothing more than demons masquerading as something else.

If these ‘aliens’ people see in the skies were literally from a distant planet or dimension, and they were truly much more advanced than us, why would they stay in the shadows, keeping themselves hidden, and when they are seen, usually they vanish, or slowly fade away into the sky…this is demonic activity, they are tricking people into believing they are just another part of Gods creation from another region in the universe…MANY people are falling for this today.

I read a great piece on alien abduction versus demonic possession recently, the similarities are amazing…if they were so advanced as many people assume, why would they need to continue abducting people for strange medical exams, wouldnt just one man, one women be good enough for their studies? Plus, why would so many people claim when they called on God during these abduction attempts, these ‘aliens’ disappear, why would an advanced race of beings be so allergic to Gods name?

Furthermore, look around at popular movies, TV shows, its UFOs, aliens, alien invasions, etc. Ancient aliens is taking it a step further, they are trying to ‘debunk’ christianity, and people are falling for it, the latest statistic I saw, was something like 70% of polled people believing an extraterrestrial species is visiting or has visited earth.

All these TV shows, movies are important to the enemy, when all these people watch this stuff, they are thinking of some distant advanced planet that was created long before us, the last thing they are thinking is demons, doing the same old thing they have been doing for centuries.

 

[mikekle]

I’ve thought pretty much the same thing. There will be some kind of mind-blowing discovery that will change the whole God paradigm. I was thinking more along the lines of contact with aliens from another world, who proceed to tell us all about our “god” who is actually just one of the aliens who visited us long ago. If they could pull that off on a global scale, that would be a mind-blower for sure. God would be truly “dead” to a huge number of believers if their faith is not strong. Churches wouldn’t need to be forcibly shut down, they would just fall into disuse. The aliens are demons, of course. Who knows? It’s fun to speculate.

Oh yes, Ive seen many websites trying to make people believe the Vatican and the Pope are actively looking for and awaiting an alien savior, of course they use the LUCIFER telescope in their theories, they like to post quotes and statements from Vatican members, like Guy Consolmagno(spelling?), Balducci, and some others.

A scenario like this would fit the bill for a very good deception, the public has definitely been ‘primed’ with all the alien/UFO talk, I really think God will use this to sort out the true believers, I cant think of anything else that has the potential to draw that many people away from the true God as this, it is essentially the perfect tool for satan.

 

[cjforJesus]

Oh yes, Ive seen many websites trying to make people believe the Vatican and the Pope are actively looking for and awaiting an alien savior, of course they use the LUCIFER telescope in their theories, they like to post quotes and statements from Vatican members, like Guy Consolmagno(spelling?), Balducci, and some others.

A scenario like this would fit the bill for a very good deception, the public has definitely been ‘primed’ with all the alien/UFO talk, I really think God will use this to sort out the true believers, I cant think of anything else that has the potential to draw that many people away from the true God as this, it is essentially the perfect tool for satan.

If you want to see something interesting go to youtube and watch the Stefania Caterina and Thomislav Vlasic video of the “Central Nucleus”. It appears to be a UFO cult that sprung from one of the Medjugorje priests.Really weird.

Yeah,I agree that these thing masquerading as "interdimensional beings and aliens are plain old fashioned demons.They have just modernized themselves,lol.

Corado Balducci DID have a meeting with Zecharia Sitchin some years ago,and they talked about Sitchins theory. Balducci did not believe these entities are demons .I am not sure what he believed they are though.

 

[AnneElizabeth]

We could also look at “shortened those last days because of the elect” as the days of the elect were shortened by God, not necessarily the overall days for the world being shortened in general.

Example

The elect have always been with us. We don’t know who they are, and unless God told THEM that they are elect, they don’t know they are elect either. Some of these saints lived a very short life. Others live/ lived longer but still shorter than others who are the antithesis of holiness… agreed?

That dynamic has always been in place. Long or shortness of years isn’t always a predictor of a person’s holiness.

I would suggest It’s not a future event, those days are here and have not left us.

True.

Just Look at what’s happened just in our time, .

2 examples

1. 
   *]1972 the Supreme Court legalizes abortion
   *]2015 the Supreme Court legalizes same sex marriage
   
   The court is not just giving permission, it’s giving license to do those phenominal evils and that no wrong, and no consequences are to be expected from doing those actions. That’s the message being sent loud and clear by the Supreme Court of the land to the U.S and the world. WHAT arrogance they have.
   
   Those judges who voted to approve those laws are executioners of souls…their own as well as those who took / take them up on such license.
   
   All I can say, They widened the gate and the road that leads to destruction to accomodate all the added traffic they caused by their decision, thereby making it even easier for those on that road.
   
   Mt 7: 13 “Enter by the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is easy,a] that leads to destruction, and those who enter by it are many. 14 For the gate is narrow and the way is hard, that leads to life, and those who find it are few.
   
   We aren’t praying enough, and we aren’t active enough insisting people vote correctly
   
   And that’s my point as well.
   
   In Our Lord’s reality, there is no time. There is no yesterday today or tomorrow. No months, years, milleniums…It’s just the eternal now.
   
   IOW, Jesus is already and continually manifesting Himself. We don’t have to wait. Every second of every day 1000’s of people die on the planet. Believe me, the end of the world just happened for THEM. There’s no waiting for the “2nd coming” whenever that occurs. They met Jesus and Jesus judged them. They knew immediately what their eternal trajectory was at that moment… No waiting for some other event in the future.

1. 
   Good points!! I apologize if I mistook what you were saying before.

 

[boomerang]

Oh yes, Ive seen many websites trying to make people believe the Vatican and the Pope are actively looking for and awaiting an alien savior, of course they use the LUCIFER telescope in their theories…

A scenario like this would fit the bill for a very good deception, the public has definitely been ‘primed’ with all the alien/UFO talk, I really think God will use this to sort out the true believers, I cant think of anything else that has the potential to draw that many people away from the true God as this, it is essentially the perfect tool for satan.

Isn’t that “Lucifer” telescope business a hoot? I found a stupid blog that went on and on about the Vatican and the “Lucifer telescope” they were using to do all kinds of nefarious things. The blog had a direct link to the original article in Popular Science magazine where they mention “Lucifer.” It’s actually a camera, not a telescope. Anyway, the original article never said the Vatican Observatory owns, operates or has anything to do with “Lucifer.” A different observatory uses and owns “Lucifer.” The only connection between “Lucifer” and the Vatican is they each have their own observatories on top of Mt. Graham, AZ, along with three other observatories.

When I politely pointed out to the blog admins that the article never made any connection between “Lucifer” and the Vatican’s observatory, (“Go read it for yourself” I said), they deleted my comment, and kept on posting anti-Catholic nonsense about the Vatican and it’s Lucifer telescope. It’s maddening trying to do battle with willful, malicious ignorance.

If there is any truth to this UFO abduction business, it’s demonic. There are so many similarities between demonic attacks and alien abductions, it’s crazy. And if you ask the “abduction” victims, most will say they their first impression was that it was a demonic attack, even if they changed their minds later. First impressions are usually correct.

If you want to see something interesting go to youtube and watch the Stefania Caterina and Thomislav Vlasic video of the “Central Nucleus”. It appears to be a UFO cult that sprung from one of the Medjugorje priests.Really weird.

Yeah,I agree that these thing masquerading as "interdimensional beings and aliens are plain old fashioned demons.They have just modernized themselves,lol.

Corado Balducci DID have a meeting with Zecharia Sitchin some years ago,and they talked about Sitchins theory. Balducci did not believe these entities are demons .I am not sure what he believed they are though.

I have read that many of the big names in UFOlogy, like Jacque Vallee, J. Allen Hynek, John Mack and many others no longer believe the “visitors” are from another planet. They think they are from the spirit realm, i.e. inter-dimensional beings.

 

[cjforJesus]

Isn’t that “Lucifer” telescope business a hoot? I found a stupid blog that went on and on about the Vatican and the “Lucifer telescope” they were using to do all kinds of nefarious things. The blog had a direct link to the original article in Popular Science magazine where they mention “Lucifer.” It’s actually a camera, not a telescope. Anyway, the original article never said the Vatican Observatory owns, operates or has anything to do with “Lucifer.” A different observatory uses and owns “Lucifer.” The only connection between “Lucifer” and the Vatican is they each have their own observatories on top of Mt. Graham, AZ, along with three other observatories.

When I politely pointed out to the blog admins that the article never made any connection between “Lucifer” and the Vatican’s observatory, (“Go read it for yourself” I said), they deleted my comment, and kept on posting anti-Catholic nonsense about the Vatican and it’s Lucifer telescope. It’s maddening trying to do battle with willful, malicious ignorance.

If there is any truth to this UFO abduction business, it’s demonic. There are so many similarities between demonic attacks and alien abductions, it’s crazy. And if you ask the “abduction” victims, most will say they their first impression was that it was a demonic attack, even if they changed their minds later. First impressions are usually correct.

I have read that many of the big names in UFOlogy, like Jacque Vallee, J. Allen Hynek, John Mack and many others no longer believe the “visitors” are from another planet. They think they are from the spirit realm, i.e. inter-dimensional beings.

I believe Hynek had an odd theory that these travelers are interdimensional but from another parallel universe and are utilizing some form of mind travel or bilocation. REALLY weird stuff.

 

[mikekle]

Every second of every day 1000’s of people die on the planet. Believe me, the end of the world just happened for THEM. There’s no waiting for the “2nd coming” whenever that occurs. They met Jesus and Jesus judged them. They knew immediately what their eternal trajectory was at that moment… No waiting for some other event in the future.

Not really, while they have already died, and been judged, the second coming has yet to happen, so the raising of all the dead, everyone receiving glorified bodies, the final battle at Megido, where EVERY SOUL, living and dead will be there, in one place…none of this happened yet, so those that are dead right now, do have this coming eventually.

 

[mikekle]

If you want to see something interesting go to youtube and watch the Stefania Caterina and Thomislav Vlasic video of the “Central Nucleus”. It appears to be a UFO cult that sprung from one of the Medjugorje priests.Really weird.

Yeah,I agree that these thing masquerading as "interdimensional beings and aliens are plain old fashioned demons.They have just modernized themselves,lol.

Corado Balducci DID have a meeting with Zecharia Sitchin some years ago,and they talked about Sitchins theory. Balducci did not believe these entities are demons .I am not sure what he believed they are though.

Im going to look into that central nucleus group.

regarding Balducci, its interesting he is a demonology expert, but he claims these UFOs/ aliens are not demonic, I tried to find out what he does think they are and this is the closest statement I could find to that answer…

**“Of course there must be something else between us and the Angels. And if there are such other beings, they are surely more evolved than we are.*” **

I think Balducci also believes contact with us and them have already taken place.

So, it appears he believes they are a creation of Gods, above us and below the angels, the only thing I can think of that fits that description would be the Nephilim or the ‘watchers’, but I dont think thats what they are, interesting though, the bible does state, “they were on the earth before the flood AND after”.

Maybe they have found a way or allowed by God to ‘slip’ between the spiritual realm and our world, in order to deceive us? This would explain why so many seem to just vanish or fade out of sight, if they were truly from a distant civilization, they would not just be popping up so often, all over the world, and then just vanishing, that doesnt make sense.

Plus, this would explain why the Govts of the world hold this so secretive, I cannot count the number of sighting reports when multiple witnesses to a strange craft see military jets, helicopters chasing the strange craft, or in the area after the craft vanishes, seemingly searching around for something…Government/ military intelligence may know exactly what these things are, and if they are from the spiritual realm, they would definitely want to keep that from the public, think about it, if they admitted there are beings and crafts from the spiritual world coming here when they please, it would basically be Govt admitting to the spirit worlds ability to have an effect on our world, also in a MUCH more advanced manner than our human aircraft…this would create too much panic in the world.

 

[steve_b]

Not really, while they have already died, and been judged, the second coming has yet to happen, so the raising of all the dead, everyone receiving glorified bodies, the final battle at Megido, where EVERY SOUL, living and dead will be there, in one place…none of this happened yet, so those that are dead right now, do have this coming eventually.

When death of the body occurs, body and soul separate. The soul is immediately judged and knows immediately they will either be in heaven (possibly purgatory first) or they will be in hell. Souls know this immediately after judgement.

Whenever the resurrection occurs, souls already in heaven are still in heaven. Souls in hell are still in hell. Purgatory ceases to exist. Soul and body are then reunited… either in heaven or hell.

 

[boomerang]

I believe Hynek had an odd theory that these travelers are interdimensional but from another parallel universe and are utilizing some form of mind travel or bilocation. REALLY weird stuff.

I believe demons would fit that description.

 

[mikekle]

When death of the body occurs, body and soul separate. The soul is immediately judged and knows immediately they will either be in heaven (possibly purgatory first) or they will be in hell. Souls know this immediately after judgement.

Whenever the resurrection occurs, souls already in heaven are still in heaven. Souls in hell are still in hell. Purgatory ceases to exist. Soul and body are then reunited… either in heaven or hell.

So when the second coming happens and we have all the dead that ever died, walking around in their glorified bodies, how is that going to work if the soul of the person is in heaven or hell? Is this just something we dont know the ‘logistics’ of?

 

[Memaw]

I’ve thought pretty much the same thing. There will be some kind of mind-blowing discovery that will change the whole God paradigm. I was thinking more along the lines of contact with aliens from another world, who proceed to tell us all about our “god” who is actually just one of the aliens who visited us long ago. If they could pull that off on a global scale, that would be a mind-blower for sure. God would be truly “dead” to a huge number of believers if their faith is not strong. Churches wouldn’t need to be forcibly shut down, they would just fall into disuse. The aliens are demons, of course. Who knows? It’s fun to speculate.

Me thinks you’ve been reading-watching to much science fiction. Maybe you should read good Catholic literature instead. catholic.com has lots of it available. God Bless, Memaw

 

[mikekle]

Me thinks you’ve been reading-watching to much science fiction. Maybe you should read good Catholic literature instead. catholic.com has lots of it available. God Bless, Memaw

Ho does trying to recognize modern demonic activity similar to watching too much sci-fi? Keep in mind, Satan is not going to deceive us in a manner that seems ‘normal’ to us, he is going to use bizarre tactics that seem impossible/ weird, failing to see their activity in our world today can be dangerous.

 

[cjforJesus]

Me thinks you’ve been reading-watching to much science fiction. Maybe you should read good Catholic literature instead. catholic.com has lots of it available. God Bless, Memaw

Or maybe watching too much of the “History” channel or Discovery.hehe

I do not watch TV but I heard they have some weird ancient alien stuff out there to confuse people.On top of that it seems there is a relentless desire to destroy Christianity or at least remake it.

There is nothing wrong with ,mikekles curiosity about these issues.

 

[steve_b]

So when the second coming happens and we have all the dead that ever died, walking around in their glorified bodies, how is that going to work if the soul of the person is in heaven or hell? Is this just something we dont know the ‘logistics’ of?

Souls in heaven, will THEN be reunited with their bodies in heaven. Souls in hell are reunited with their bodies in hell. Purgatory ceases to exist.

in the next life there will be no one given in marriage, there will be no more births or deaths.
Matthew 22:30 , Mark 12:25 , Luke 20:35

In the next life there is no yesterday today and tomorrow, because there is no time, just the eternal now.

 

[Jeanne_S]

Or maybe watching too much of the “History” channel or Discovery.hehe

I do not watch TV but I heard they have some weird ancient alien stuff out there to confuse people.On top of that it seems there is a relentless desire to destroy Christianity or at least remake it.

There is nothing wrong with ,mikekles curiosity about these issues.

Yes,exactly.I was just thinking of the history channel.It has an on going program about ancient aliens.The talking heads on this program are all about theorizing the possibility of a higher intellectual being(s) from another planet,blah,blah,blah.So yes,this thinking is being pushed and no doubt will be embraced by many!

 

[JC9]

Jesus told us Matthew 6:24,so who you going to serve God or money/technology.Really who are you serving because the world serves money/technology.Satan’s best.It’s coming to an apogee.

 

[JC9]

Money/technology is the physical way of the spiritual self reliance of pride.Choosing what we believe is good or bad unless we are graphed on to Christ we will know more and bigger success but also failures till the failures annihilate us.