Question about the Divine Office for today

[phil19034]

Today, is 10/19/2020. In the United States, today is an obligated Memorial for St. Isaac Jogues and John de Brebeuf and Companions.

The Common of Saints for today says to use either the Common of Several Martyrs or the Common of Pastors.

I choose the Common of Several Martyrs, which has the following for Morning Prayer:

The Responsory:
The just are the friends of God
They live with him for ever (alleluia, alleluia).
---- They just are the friends of God
They live with him for ever (alleluia, alleluia).
God himself is their reward.
---- They live with him for ever.
(---- Alleluia, alleluia.)
Glory to the Father … etc.

Antiphon for the Canticle of Zechariah:
Blessed are those who suffer persecution for the sake of justice; the kingdom of heaven is theirs (alleluia).

My question: when are we supposed to say those alleluia’s and what is up with the (----Alleluia, alleluia.) line? It looks like it would replace “---- They live with him for ever”

Thank you!

 

[Vico]

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My question: when are we supposed to say those alleluia’s and what is up with the (----Alleluia, alleluia.) line? It looks like it would replace “---- They live with him for ever”

Thank you!

It is a general format for any time of year, but Alleluia is omitted during Lent.

 

[phil19034]

phil19034:

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My question: when are we supposed to say those alleluia’s and what is up with the (----Alleluia, alleluia.) line? It looks like it would replace “---- They live with him for ever”

Thank you!

It is a general format for any time of year, but Alleluia is omitted during Lent.

Thanks.

But you know what’s interesting… I just looked at DivineOffice.org and looked at the readings for today. They are using the Common of Several Martyrs, but they don’t have the Alleluias

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[Vico]

Vico:

phil19034:

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My question: when are we supposed to say those alleluia’s and what is up with the (----Alleluia, alleluia.) line? It looks like it would replace “---- They live with him for ever”

Thank you!

It is a general format for any time of year, but Alleluia is omitted during Lent.

Thanks.

But you know what’s interesting… I just looked at DivineOffice.org and looked at the readings for today. They are using the Common of Several Martyrs, but they don’t have the Alleluias

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I believe that the following is one phrase which can be used with the alleluia or without.

They live with him forever (alleluia, alleluia).

The just are the friends of God. They live with him for ever (alleluia, alleluia).
– The just are the friends of God. They live with him for ever (alleluia, alleluia).

God himself is their reward.
– They live with him for ever (alleluia, alleluia.)

Glory to the Father and to the Son and to the Holy Spirit.
– The just are the friends of God. They live with him forever (alleluia, alleluia.)

Pattern:

A1, A2
A1, A2
B
A2
C
A1, A2

 

[porthos11]

The parenthesized Alleluias you describe are used only during the Easter season. They are omitted otherwise, including today.

 

[phil19034]

Thanks - that’s what I was starting to think, but I’ve heard some people “only during Easter” and others say “not during Lent”

Thanks a million for clearing this up

 

[porthos11]

Thanks - that’s what I was starting to think, but I’ve heard some people “only during Easter” and others say “not during Lent”

Thanks a million for clearing this up

The confusion may arise due to the opening versicle “God, come to my assistance…” the Alleluia there is indeed year round except in Lent but that is the only application of that rule. Antiphons and responsories use Alleluia only during the Easter season, unless they are explicitly part of the antiphon as you often see during Sundays.

 

[Vico]

Thanks - that’s what I was starting to think, but I’ve heard some people “only during Easter” and others say “not during Lent”

Thanks a million for clearing this up

I could not say that rule about alleluia only for Eastertide. I am Byzantine and the Divine Praises includes alleluia all year.