Question about the FSSP

[Monica4316]

(and ICKSP, etc)

Do they follow the pre-VII calendar of the feast days?

If so, what happens for the days of obligation according to the current calendar?

For example, let’s say a feast day is a day of obligation and it’s on a particular day… but according to the calendar they use (if they do), it’s on another day… how does this work?

am I missing something?

thanks!

 

[Ad_Orientem]

Yes they follow the old calendar, while observing the same holy days of obligation as those who follow the new calendar. If on their calendar, a particular HDO is a different feast than the new calendar, they still celebrate the old feast, and fulfill their obligation that way.

This is indeed something that needs to be fixed. The Holy See, Ecclesia Dei, and such societies of apostolic life as you mention are well aware of the problem.

 

[porthos11]

But are there holydays of obligation that are different on both calendars?

I’m in Canada so there’s no issue; we have only two holydays of obligation, Christmas and Mary Mother of God/Octave Day of the Nativity, so those two are always Dec. 25 and Jan 1st, regardless of Use.

Perhaps it may be different for some ecclesiastical provinces of the United States.

 

[Ad_Orientem]

No, they observe same HDO (datewise, anyhow) as the rest of the local Roman rite. There is no separate set of HDO for TLM parishes, at least that I am aware of. Same thing with canon law, they follow the same code as everyone else in the Latin Church.

 

[porthos11]

No, they observe same HDO (datewise, anyhow) as the rest of the local Roman rite. There is no separate set of HDO for TLM parishes, at least that I am aware of. Same thing with canon law, they follow the same code as everyone else in the Latin Church.

That’s what I thought. The only thing I could think of is Ascension, which isn’t an HDO in all places, and where it’s moved to Sunday in the Ordinary Form, it isn’t an HDO at all for Thursday, so while the Extraordinary Form would still observe Ascension on Thursday, it wouldn’t be a Holy Day of Obligation.

I’m of the mind that where Canon Law’s stipulations depend on the liturgical calendar (days of penance, holydays of obligation), it’s the Ordinary Form calendar that’s to be used (I think it’s part of what makes it Ordinary).

 

[OraLabora]

That’s what I thought. The only thing I could think of is Ascension, which isn’t an HDO in all places, and where it’s moved to Sunday in the Ordinary Form, it isn’t an HDO at all for Thursday, so while the Extraordinary Form would still observe Ascension on Thursday, it wouldn’t be a Holy Day of Obligation.

I’m of the mind that where Canon Law’s stipulations depend on the liturgical calendar (days of penance, holydays of obligation), it’s the Ordinary Form calendar that’s to be used (I think it’s part of what makes it Ordinary).

I think it’s proper to say that Ascension can be moved to Sunday in the OF. But it isn’t always. For instance at the local Benedictine abbey it is celebrated on the Thursday; but in the diocese, it’s moved to Sunday. In both cases, OF. Benedictines have no need to move HDOs (or other feasts) to a more convenient time to accommodate their jobs. The liturgy IS their job

 

[porthos11]

I think it’s proper to say that Ascension can be moved to Sunday in the OF. But it isn’t always. For instance at the local Benedictine abbey it is celebrated on the Thursday; but in the diocese, it’s moved to Sunday. In both cases, OF. Benedictines have no need to move HDOs (or other feasts) to a more convenient time to accommodate their jobs. The liturgy IS their job

Yes, but you’re in Canada, which is a single ecclesiastical province. Ascension isn’t an HDO here in any case.

 

[MikeDunphy]

We also have the Feast of the Epiphany of our Lord, traditionally celebrated on the twelfth day after Christmas. In the OF in some locations, it is observed on the Sunday just before or after that date. And Corpus Christi, traditionally observed on a Thursday and now usually moved to the following Sunday. As with Ascension Thursday, moving the obligations to Sundays cannot create an ambiguous situation where someone might get confused and miss a holy day. There are just fewer days where there is an obligation.

The local FSSP priest here agrees with you that the days of obligation are determined by the OF calendar.

That’s what I thought. The only thing I could think of is Ascension, which isn’t an HDO in all places, and where it’s moved to Sunday in the Ordinary Form, it isn’t an HDO at all for Thursday, so while the Extraordinary Form would still observe Ascension on Thursday, it wouldn’t be a Holy Day of Obligation.

I’m of the mind that where Canon Law’s stipulations depend on the liturgical calendar (days of penance, holydays of obligation), it’s the Ordinary Form calendar that’s to be used (I think it’s part of what makes it Ordinary).

 

[Monica4316]

Thanks for the replies! so to fulfill an obligation, someone needs to only go to Mass on that day, it doesn’t have to be Mass for that particular feast day? for example, can it be an Eastern Catholic liturgy, if they follow the Julian calendar? (just expanding the question a bit!)

 

[IesumPerMariam]

Thanks for the replies! so to fulfill an obligation, someone needs to only go to Mass on that day, it doesn’t have to be Mass for that particular feast day? for example, can it be an Eastern Catholic liturgy, if they follow the Julian calendar? (just expanding the question a bit!)

Yes. It could even theoretically be a Funeral Mass or a Nuptial Mass.

Canon 1248 § 1 says: “The obligation of participating in the Mass is satisfied by one who assists at Mass wherever it is celebrated in a Catholic rite, either on the holyday itself or on the evening prior.”

Many of us who regularly attend the TLM and live in a diocese where the Ascension obligation is transferred to Sunday never attend a Mass of the Feast of the Ascension, but the obligation is fulfilled by attending the Mass of the Sunday after the Ascension.