Question About The Missals Passed Out At The TLM

[Duke_of_Mantua]

This past Sunday I attended a parish I normally don’t attend for their EF of The Mass. They pass out red missals which are different from the maroon missals they pass out at my regular parish. After some investigation, it manifested that the red missals are distributed from the Coalition in Support of Ecclesia Dei and the maroon missals are published and distributed by Angelus Press, which is the publishing company of the SSPX.

If SSPX is in schism with the Holy Mother Church, why does the diocese of my regular parish approve of the Angelus Press missals? Did the pastor make a mistake and order the wrong missals?

I am posting this again because I broke some forum rules by mentioning the parishes and the diocese. I apologize for my mistake, but I still would like someone to elucidate the Church’s policy towards purchasing materials for Mass from Angelus Press.

 

[palmas85]

This past Sunday I attended a parish I normally don’t attend for their EF of The Mass. They pass out red missals which are different from the maroon missals they pass out at my regular parish. After some investigation, it manifested that the red missals are distributed from the Coalition in Support of Ecclesia Dei and the maroon missals are published and distributed by Angelus Press, which is the publishing company of the SSPX.

If SSPX is in schism with the Holy Mother Church, why does the diocese of my regular parish approve of the Angelus Press missals? Did the pastor make a mistake and order the wrong missals?

I am posting this again because I broke some forum rules by mentioning the parishes and the diocese. I apologize for my mistake, but I still would like someone to elucidate the Church’s policy towards purchasing materials for Mass from Angelus Press.

As long as the Angelus Press version of the Missal is faithful to the 1962 rubrics there is nothing wrong with using them. If however they are of an earlier version then they would or could be problematic in some situations.

 

[Duke_of_Mantua]

As long as the Angelus Press version of the Missal is faithful to the 1962 rubrics there is nothing wrong with using them. If however they are of an earlier version then they would or could be problematic in some situations.

I am new to the EF of The Mass. What is problematic with using a missal from before 1962? From my understanding, the TLM has been around for centuries. What problems could arise from using one from, say, 1942?

 

[AJV]

I am new to the EF of The Mass. What is problematic with using a missal from before 1962? From my understanding, the TLM has been around for centuries. What problems could arise from using one from, say, 1942?

The TLM has been around for a long time but not everything has remained exactly the same. While a large number of the *texts *are the same, the rubrics are not. The rubrics govern which texts to say.

For example, in certain seasons on lower feasts and weekdays, before 1955 the priest would add other collects/secrets/postcommunions. In 1955, this was abolished. In 1955, one of the ranks of the calendar was changed. In 1960, ALL the ranks were changed.

Generally, though, the effect is important for priests than for laypeople - because the priests have to know what to say. Most likely, unless there has been a textual change, you could locate the text in the lay missal-prayerbook

One of the TEXTS that distinguishes the missal of '62 from an earlier missal (before '55) is the new rites for the Holy Week.

And of course, the missal was continually updated with new texts. New saints are an obvious example. New feasts or new propers for feasts. After the dogma of the Assumption, there was new Mass for the feast. Then too, in 1952, Pius XII introduced a new “Common” Mass for Pope-saints — Si Diligis Me. 1956 saw the introduction of St. Joseph the Worker. This century there were introduction of new prefaces- for the Dead, for the Sacred Heart, for the Kingship of Christ, for the Eucharistic Heart (in the appendix until 1961). The 1962 missal has some Votive Masses that are not in previous missals.

 

[Duke_of_Mantua]

The TLM has been around for a long time but not everything has remained exactly the same. While a large number of the *texts *are the same, the rubrics are not. The rubrics govern which texts to say.

For example, in certain seasons on lower feasts and weekdays, before 1955 the priest would add other collects/secrets/postcommunions. In 1955, this was abolished. In 1955, one of the ranks of the calendar was changed. In 1960, ALL the ranks were changed.

Generally, though, the effect is important for priests than for laypeople - because the priests have to know what to say. Most likely, unless there has been a textual change, you could locate the text in the lay missal-prayerbook

One of the TEXTS that distinguishes the missal of '62 from an earlier missal (before '55) is the new rites for the Holy Week.

And of course, the missal was continually updated with new texts. New saints are an obvious example. New feasts or new propers for feasts. After the dogma of the Assumption, there was new Mass for the feast. Then too, in 1952, Pius XII introduced a new “Common” Mass for Pope-saints — Si Diligis Me. 1956 saw the introduction of St. Joseph the Worker. This century there were introduction of new prefaces- for the Dead, for the Sacred Heart, for the Kingship of Christ, for the Eucharistic Heart (in the appendix until 1961). The 1962 missal has some Votive Masses that are not in previous missals.

This is a wealth of information. Thanks!

 

[I_Believe]

Just to clarify, there is no such thing as an Angelus Press Missal, or "the SSPX missal ". It is a reprint based on the Ideal Missal, which carried a Nihil Obstat and Imprimatur. Any new commentary or revisions are drawn from pre VII sources.

If Angelus was not offering the Roman Catholic Daily Missal 1962, then someone else would be.

As far as supporting the SSPX through the purchase of this missal, that is up to the individual to decide. If one buys a new car from a dealership owned by a member of a Lutheran Church, and that member supports his church financially, some of the car buyers money goes to that Lutheran Church.

The diocean parish here in Louisville which offers the Forma Extraordinaria has the red Una Voce booklets availible for use by the faithful. Those who bring their own missals, bring those of their choice. The RCDM1962 is seen in the hands of the faithful as are those from other publishers. Marian, St Joseph, St Andrew, etc.

If a member of the Clergy approached me and asked me not to bring my RCDM1962 to this Mass, I would gladly obey him. Obviously it isn’t a concern at this parish.

 

[DustinsDad]

I’ve never heard of the maroon missals. But at the Oratory I attend (ICKSP) - a bunch of folks (including me) use the the Angeles Press 1962 missal. I’ve seen priests and seminarians using them as well - . There is nothing heretical or schismatic in the missal at all. I keep it in my car for adoration and weekday masses at even N.O. parishes. The collection of prayers and devotions therein are awesome. It’s become my defacto prayer book .

Peace in Christ,

DustinsDad

 

[Duke_of_Mantua]

I’ve never heard of the maroon missals. But at the Oratory I attend (ICKSP) - a bunch of folks (including me) use the the Angeles Press 1962 missal. I’ve seen priests and seminarians using them as well - . There is nothing heretical or schismatic in the missal at all. I keep it in my car for adoration and weekday masses at even N.O. parishes. The collection of prayers and devotions therein are awesome. It’s become my defacto prayer book .

Peace in Christ,

DustinsDad

Since the Vatican changed one of the Good Friday prayers with respect to the jews and SSPX disagrees with the Vatican on this, will the Angelus Press missal have the changed or original prayer? I know it’s specific but I am sure there are other instances where the SSPX might go against the Vatican and refuse to exclude or change certain parts of the 1962 missal.

 

[markadm]

Since the Vatican changed one of the Good Friday prayers with respect to the jews and SSPX disagrees with the Vatican on this, will the Angelus Press missal have the changed or original prayer? I know it’s specific but I am sure there are other instances where the SSPX might go against the Vatican and refuse to exclude or change certain parts of the 1962 missal.

I’m not sure the SSPX has actually refused to say it.

Besides, there are now Thousands of Altar and Hand Missals with the wrong prayer in them.We’ll just have to find little pieces of paper with gum on the back… Baronius have not changed their Missal, FWIW.

 

[palmas85]

I am new to the EF of The Mass. What is problematic with using a missal from before 1962? From my understanding, the TLM has been around for centuries. What problems could arise from using one from, say, 1942?

Under the terms of the Indult granted by Pope John Paul II the 1962 Missal was to be used. That Missal is somewhat different as has been pointed out, than earlier versions.

That is the problem. You cannot pick and choose which of the Churches disciplines you will follow. If the Holy Father says the Missal of 1962 then that is the one you use, not the earlier ones. That is very simple and easy to understand.