Question About The Nicene Creed

[ConstantineTG]

Thank you. Could either of you please explain how that works? I don’t even get where the Eastern Catholics come from but I thought that all Catholics were under the pope and that Catholic doctrine had to be accepted by ALL Catholics. If it’s quite central to the service and an affirmation that one is in line with the teachings of the church how is it that Eastern Catholics have this different belief from western Catholics about God and are allowed to actually announce it when they say their creed? Do they get special permission from the pope or something?

The Eastern Catholics come from generally what was the Eastern Roman empire, and other lands eventually Christianized in the suceeding centuries. After the Great Schism some factions within the Orthodox Church decided to return back to communion with Rome, and that is what we call the Eastern Catholic Church.

The thing about the Filioque is the theological explanation behind the necessity for it comes from the Latin version of the Creed and the Latin philosophy. Thats the short explanation. The Eastern Catholics never used Latin, always Greek. The understanding of the Creed came from the Greek understanding of it which doesn’t necessitate the Filioque.

No Orthodox Christians have the “and the Son” filioque in their Nicene Creeds, right? Or do some have it? This is very confusing.

None.

 

[Vico]

UniversalistGuy,

The Eastern Catholic Churches preserve, as approved by the Holy See, the liturgical traditions of their Churches, which do not include the filioque, because it is not used in the original Symbol of Faith, and also their traditions did not adopt Latin. The Greek version of the Symbol of Faith includes “proceeds from the Father” using the Greek word that affirms the monarchy of the Father, as originally expressed. The Latin version affirms the communication of the consubstantial divinity from the Father to the Son and from the Father through and with the Son to the Holy Spirit, a different concept.

 

[UniversalistGuy]

The Eastern Catholics come from generally what was the Eastern Roman empire, and other lands eventually Christianized in the suceeding centuries. After the Great Schism some factions within the Orthodox Church decided to return back to communion with Rome, and that is what we call the Eastern Catholic Church.

The thing about the Filioque is the theological explanation behind the necessity for it comes from the Latin version of the Creed and the Latin philosophy. Thats the short explanation. The Eastern Catholics never used Latin, always Greek. The understanding of the Creed came from the Greek understanding of it which doesn’t necessitate the Filioque.

None.

Thank you for the short explanation. I have a feeling that as I learn more I’m probably going to have consider a longer one.

 

[ConstantineTG]

Thank you for the short explanation. I have a feeling that as I learn more I’m probably going to have consider a longer one.

There is a thread here that actually discussed that, I forgot which it is. But that is the gist of it. That is why the Pope approved the use of the Creed sans-filioque for those adhering to Greek traditions over the Latin one because from their understanding the filioque doesn’t make sense.

 

[UniversalistGuy]

There is a thread here that actually discussed that, I forgot which it is. But that is the gist of it. That is why the Pope approved the use of the Creed sans-filioque for those adhering to Greek traditions over the Latin one because from their understanding the filioque doesn’t make sense.

Thank you. I guess I’ll go looking at older threads. Couldn’t hurt.

 

[ConstantineTG]

Thank you. I guess I’ll go looking at older threads. Couldn’t hurt.

I’ll PM you the link if I remember which thread it was. It shouldn’t be too long ago, perhaps it in one of the threads on the first 2 pages of this forum.