Question About the Novus Ordo

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Joysong:
That is the focus “I” find so distasteful with the TLM, the individual worship that does not recognize Christ in one’s neighbor; i.e., “leave me alone to worship by myself as I desire.”
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For the record, I never meant that I found a traditional Latin** Mass,** per se, distasteful" as you assumed wrongfully. This was “my” opinion, expressed in the pronoun “I” – find distasteful the individual worship of the participants. Grotto, I have come to know several persons who feel that way. It is pointless to cause thread drift to prove my statements and pull posts that others have definitely expressed these views regarding the TLM on CAF to satisfy your mind. You are free to disparage me in any way your heart desires.

Therefore, please read my words again in the light of finding the preference for individual worship that is common within the TLM mass distasteful to me, and as I expressed as my personal opinion.

Why was it necessary for you to express your opinion of my opinion in such an uncharitable way? This thread was simply initiated to have posters state why they prefer the N.O.

Carole
 
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Joysong:
Therefore, please read my words again in the light of finding the preference for individual worship that is common within the TLM mass distasteful to me, and as I expressed as my personal opinion.

Carole
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A question Carole; are external acts a requirement for communal worship?

Namely, are external gestures a requirement for worship to be non-individualistic?
 
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Joysong:
I. It is not enough to mystically pray for them. That is the focus I find so distasteful with the TLM, the individual worship that does not recognize Christ in one’s neighbor; i.e., “leave me alone to worship by myself as I desire.”

Carole
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What’s up with the comeback of my being unchairitable towards you in your expressing YOUR opinion? Your opinion expressed above speaks for itself. I would like to identify with individual worship and mystically praying for my neighbor - I am offended by your attack on my Catholic practice of my Faith. The Traditional Latin Mass is fully, historically, offered by the Holy Roman Catholic Church. Do NOT disparage it and expect to get away with it (at least not as long as I’m around!)

I live most of my life in the kitchen and can take the heat and fry the bacon with one hand!
 
Are you looking for an argument Grotto? I will not participate. Again, you are misreading both my original post and my reply. Have fun.
 
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Joysong:
That is the focus I find so distasteful with the TLM, the individual worship that does not recognize Christ in one’s neighbor; i.e., “leave me alone to worship by myself as I desire.”

Carole
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Ms. Grotto is right. You said what you said.

And that is a big “judgemental” statement, especially from one who is ready to pounce on others and accuse them of being “judgemental”.
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Joysong:
Grotto,

Why was it necessary for you to express your opinion of my opinion in such an uncharitable way? This thread was simply initiated to have posters state why they prefer the N.O.

Carole
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Oh, and you do have a …way… of then turning the tables around and place guilt on others
 
Arguments should take place when discussion presents expressed opinions that beg response. So yes, I do argue with what you have to say.

Now, about the Norvus Ordo Mass - this is a fully, established Holy Mass and in that is no different from the Traditional Latin Mass as set forth by the Holy Roman Catholic Church. The General Instruction of the Roman Missal and the Redemptorus Sacramentum are set by the Magisterium. a “revert” to Catholicism is not awarded any supremacy in understanding the teachings but must continue to struggle in requesting that the Holy Spirit will increase our understanding and Faith.

We are all “reverts” when we return to living our mortal lives through the Graces given to us. Faith is a Gift, acceptance of our abilities to UNDERSTAND is not something we can develop through our own ability. Therefore, adopting an attitude of self acquired knowledge that is condescending in its application to others is something to guard against.

To keep myself from being condescending with what I have just pointed out, I can opinion that you really did not mean what you said and probably meant that you prefer a horizontal method of
worshiping at Mass, more expressing an awareness of the physical presence of your neighbor. You are absolutely within your perogative but should not assume that your expression is one others are lacking Christian chairity by engaging in vertical, or mystical prayer as you call it.

Have fun as you like, there again I have a different view of your parting. But, I’ll take it as well meant and enjoy all the gifts Our Lord gives to me, even the ones I don’t thank Him for until I can be in His Presence and tune out all worldy distractions.

Its a plan anyway!
 
**As we have two threads currently running on the board inquiring why those who attend a TLM Mass prefer or are inclined to do so, and this one asking why those who prefer or attend an NO Mass prefer to do so, please feel free to contribute to the thread of your choice and state your preference while freely acknowledging the positive role this plays in your liturgical experience of the Church.

Please do remember that the discussion should stay centered on the topic of thread you select. The reasons why one has a preferment or choice should not include the opportunity to critique the choices/preferment of others nor the disparagement of those who have an alternate view.

In other words, “accentuate the positive, eliminate the negative.”
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SFH:
Since so many people on these forums have asked why traditional Catholics go to Tridentine Masses (and we’ve given lots of reasons),I thought it might be nice to know why a Catholic would go to the Novus Ordo Mass vs a Tridentine Mass?

Is it because you don’t understand Latin? Or is it because you don’t want to learn Latin? Or is it because you like all the new music and the English paraphrase of the Latin in the Novus Ordo? Do you find the homilies more orthodox? Are the people more reverent?
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Because Christ is present in my community more when mass is celebrated via the Novus Ordo then the tridentine mass

Podo
 
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Podo2005:
Because Christ is present in my community more when mass is celebrated via the Novus Ordo then the tridentine mass

Podo
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Who gave you this idea.
 
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Podo2005:
Because Christ is present in my community more when mass is celebrated via the Novus Ordo then the tridentine mass

Podo
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Our Lord Jesus Christ is equally fully present in the N.O., the TLM, the Eastern Catholic litergy.
 
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Podo2005:
Because Christ is present in my community more when mass is celebrated via the Novus Ordo then the tridentine mass

Podo
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How so?
 
Our local Tridentine Mass parish is very vibrant. All who attend are intensely interested in the faith. In another generation, there may be those who go out of habit, like some in my NO parish. However, they don’t have a real involvement in their parish community. There isn’t a school. Everyone comes from all over the city, so the parish itself is not in their neighborhood.

In my parish, I feel that I can get involved in my community. Even though we homeschool, I think the parish school is a real benefit to the parish. We also have perpetual adoration which would be difficult to do if the parishioners had to drive in from 45 min away.

I also am more comfortable in my NO parish. The architecture is not as awe inspiring. 😦 But, there is a place to sit with babies and toddlers and still participate in Mass. The TLM church has a closed door entrance way that you can take your noisy kids to.

As much as I am frustrated by some liberal Catholics in my NO parish, I am put off by some borderline schismatics in the TLM parish.

I guess it not about liturgy for me, but community.
 
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Podo2005:
Because Christ is present in my community more when mass is celebrated via the Novus Ordo then the tridentine mass

Podo
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I expected this thread would bring you out of hiding! 😉
You may have outdone yourself with this baseless comment…:tsktsk:
 
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