Question about Tridentine Missals

[schuey]

Hello all,

I am a lifelong Catholic who has recently become interested in the Extraordinary (Tridentine) Form, and a nearby Parish offers the Tridentine Mass every Sunday. I do not currently own a copy of the 1962 Missal, however, I do have the Saint Joseph Daily Missal with a 1959 copyright which my mom received as a Confirmation gift. I am wondering if anyone knows whether this Missal follows the same text and liturgical calendar as the 1962 Missal which is now used for the Extraordinary Form.

 

[ConstantineTG]

I’m not sure but you can compare it here if you like: mysite.verizon.net/missale/order.html

 

[MarkThompson]

It will be virtually identical; I doubt you’d be able to notice any difference at all except that you won’t see St. Joseph’s name in the Canon. You will have no problem at all using the 1959 missal at a TLM today.

 

[lizds]

Hello all,

I am a lifelong Catholic who has recently become interested in the Extraordinary (Tridentine) Form, and a nearby Parish offers the Tridentine Mass every Sunday. I do not currently own a copy of the 1962 Missal, however, I do have the Saint Joseph Daily Missal with a 1959 copyright which my mom received as a Confirmation gift. I am wondering if anyone knows whether this Missal follows the same text and liturgical calendar as the 1962 Missal which is now used for the Extraordinary Form.

They are pretty much identical. I have noticed that the older ones tend to have more prayers included in the text. (Prayers before recieving Holy Communion, prayers after recieving Holy Communion, etc.) If there was a difference… thats probably the only difference. I believe the one I used for my first Tridentine Mass was copyrighted in 1958. I borrowed it from my boyfriend’s father.

 

[ProVobis]

Hello all,

I am a lifelong Catholic who has recently become interested in the Extraordinary (Tridentine) Form, and a nearby Parish offers the Tridentine Mass every Sunday. I do not currently own a copy of the 1962 Missal, however, I do have the Saint Joseph Daily Missal with a 1959 copyright which my mom received as a Confirmation gift. I am wondering if anyone knows whether this Missal follows the same text and liturgical calendar as the 1962 Missal which is now used for the Extraordinary Form.

Ironically enough, the only perceived difference would be the addition of St. Joseph in the 1962 Canon. But you can always write in his name in your missal under Communicantes prayer as follows:

Communicantes, et memoriam venerantes in primis gloriosae semper Virginis Mariae, Genitricis Dei et Domini nostri Iesu Christi: sed et beati Ioseph, eiusdem Virginis Sponsi; et beatorum Apostolorum ac Martyrum

Communicating with, and honoring in the first place the memory of the glorious ever Virgin Mary, Mother of Our Lord and God Jesus Christ: as also of the blessed Joseph, her Spouse, and of the blessed Apostles and Martyrs

 

[laszlo]

In 1962 one clause was added to the Communicantes

We pray in union with and honor the memory , especially of the glorious ever Virgin Mary, mother of our God and Lord Jesus Christ: as also of the blessed Joseph, her Spouse,

Also disregard the reference to the additional usually elective commemorations; and there may be some changes in the calendar. Otherwise deeper changes started only in 1964, but fro the TLM afaik only Clear Creek Benedictines, also their French original house and a few diocesan priests are implemented that

You can safely use the St Joseph Missal.

 

[ProVobis]

Ironically enough, the only perceived difference would be the addition of St. Joseph in the 1962 Canon. But you can always write in his name in your missal under Communicantes prayer as follows:

Communicantes, et memoriam venerantes in primis gloriosae semper Virginis Mariae, Genitricis Dei et Domini nostri Iesu Christi: sed et beati Ioseph, eiusdem Virginis Sponsi; et beatorum Apostolorum ac Martyrum

Communicating with, and honoring in the first place the memory of the glorious ever Virgin Mary, Mother of Our Lord and God Jesus Christ: as also of the blessed Joseph, her Spouse, and of the blessed Apostles and Martyrs

Actually the more literal (and perhaps better) translation would be “but also of blessed Joseph, the Spouse of the same Virgin” so that it doesn’t sound like he’s the spouse of the Mother of Our Lord and God Jesus Christ, which would imply Joseph is the father or stepfather of God. Can’t blame Cranmer for this one. But as this isn’t official and only the Latin can be used, I suppose it’s not that big of a deal.

 

[schuey]

Thank you all for your answers. I will give it a try for the next couple weeks. My main concern was really just with being able to follow (for the most part at least) the worship of the Lord and the offering of the Sacrifice.

It is kind of ironic that the only change might be the inclusion of St. Joseph in the Canon though…

The only other concerns I have about the Tridentine Mass have to do with when to kneel, sit, or stand, and how people at the particular church receive Holy Communion (hand or tongue, kneeling or standing, etc.), but I’ll just talk to parishioners near me and I’m sure someone will be able to guide me through.

 

[MarkThompson]

The only other concerns I have about the Tridentine Mass have to do with when to kneel, sit, or stand, and how people at the particular church receive Holy Communion (hand or tongue, kneeling or standing, etc.), but I’ll just talk to parishioners near me and I’m sure someone will be able to guide me through.

Just don’t sit at the front, and watch somebody else who looks like they know what they’re doing. If worst comes to worst, remember that the TLM actually has no rubrics for the congregation at all, so it’s impossible to do it “wrong.”

Communion is received kneeling and on the tongue. Just follow other people up to the altar rail, kneel, keep your hands out of the way, and when the priest comes by open your mouth and stick out your tongue. The communicant does not make any response.

One thing that might help before you go and get you at least somewhat accustomed to how to flip around the missal would be to watch these tutorial videos. This (starting with the third video down) is a bare-bones low Mass, so the Mass you go to may have a very different look and sound, but these videos have the benefit of letting you actually letting you hear (and pause, of course) the whole Mass.

 

[laszlo]

Just don’t sit at the front, and watch somebody else who looks like they know what they’re doing. If worst comes to worst, remember that the TLM actually has no rubrics for the congregation at all, so it’s impossible to do it “wrong.”

There were no rubrics for the laity, but the laity was supposed to follow the rules set by the local pastor. So the first sentence is the rule: follow others.

 

[schuey]

Thanks all for your help. I will be at the Tridentine Mass tomorrow morning offered by my local Cathedral Parish. Hope it goes alright (though, when it comes to worship of our Lord with honest, sacrificial, prayerful intentions, I suppose it can’t ever go wrong…)