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For those who have made their Total Consecration to Mary… I was wondering are we still able to offer Masses, Rosaries, spiritual bouqets, etc, for people? I seem to remember this being talked about but I wanted to check my understanding. Can we humbly ask Mary to consider the requests, and still offer them?

thanks 🙂
 
For those who have made their Total Consecration to Mary… I was wondering are we still able to offer Masses, Rosaries, spiritual bouqets, etc, for people? I seem to remember this being talked about but I wanted to check my understanding. Can we humbly ask Mary to consider the requests, and still offer them?

thanks 🙂
It’s my understanding, having made the Total Consecration, that we can still pray, offer Masses, penances, etc. for an intention, but recognising that all is subject to the will of Our Lady, and also that we offer them through her, which is similar to saying that she offers them on our behalf, which only increases their efficacy before the throne of God!
 
For those who have made their Total Consecration to Mary… I was wondering are we still able to offer Masses, Rosaries, spiritual bouqets, etc, for people? I seem to remember this being talked about but I wanted to check my understanding. Can we humbly ask Mary to consider the requests, and still offer them?

thanks 🙂
In total consecration to Mary we give Mary everything. We give to Mary our body and soul, all our thoughts, words, actions, good works and let her dispose of the good value of them according to the will of her Son and His greatest glory. Thus, we voluntarily give up our right to dispose of the value of our own good works for other people or the souls in purgatory. But total consecration to Mary doesn’t mean we have less charity for our neighbor, on the contrary, we give to Mary the value of our good works so that she may dispose of them for the conversion of sinners, the release of the souls in purgatory, for the good of the entire Church and world. We can humbly ask Mary to consider our requests or prayers for other people, but we leave it up to Mary to grant those requests or prayers and to dispose of the good value of our prayers. Yes, you can have a Mass said for somebody. But we leave it up to Mary to apply that Mass for the greater glory of God. In practice, I just simply offer everything up to Mary for she certainly knows our own needs, the needs of the members of our family, our neighbors, etc. and I let her dispose of everything according to the greater glory of God.
 
For those who have made their Total Consecration to Mary… I was wondering are we still able to offer Masses, Rosaries, spiritual bouqets, etc, for people? I seem to remember this being talked about but I wanted to check my understanding. Can we humbly ask Mary to consider the requests, and still offer them?

thanks 🙂
Is total Consecration to Mary mandated by the RCC
 
I am afraid, that after 64 years of being a Catholic, I still do not understand this. I accept everything the Church teaches about Our Lady, and love her and pray the Rosary, ask for her intercession, etc. but I cannot understand totally consecrating my life to anyone but Jesus Christ Himself. I don’t believe I am a bad Catholic for this, nor is it a sin to believe this way, and I am sure I will get flamed for writing this, but would someone please explain this?

I do not believe that the only way to Jesus is through Mary, although I understand her mediation and her divine Motherhood. I believe one can go directly to Jesus Himself, and to the Father through Jesus. Jesus Himself says we should come unto Him. I believe Mary can intercede for us if we ask, but that is only because God has given her the power to hear our prayers, I believe everything comes from Christ alone.

Now I respectfully ask if someone could please tell me why I should consecrate myself to a human being, rather than her Divine Son? Or why I should go through a human being to consecrate myself to Christ. And please do not take this as criticism, I would really like to understand what this devotion is all about.

And no, I am not and never will be a Protestant.
 
Is total Consecration to Mary mandated by the RCC
No, for total consecration to Mary is based on love and love requires freedom. God doesn’t even force us to love him. However, the teaching of St Louis Marie de Montfort and St Maximillian Kolbe is that total consecration to Mary is an easy, short, perfect, and secure way of attaining union with our Lord Jesus, in which union the perfection of the Christian consists.
 
Indeed CB Catholic, we already do the rosary and so much other prayers and intercession with Mary.

Would it not be more prudent to invest our time , adoration and love for Jesus Christ as well. At least more balance and cognizant of our Savior.
 
I am afraid, that after 64 years of being a Catholic, I still do not understand this. I accept everything the Church teaches about Our Lady, and love her and pray the Rosary, ask for her intercession, etc. but I cannot understand totally consecrating my life to anyone but Jesus Christ Himself. I don’t believe I am a bad Catholic for this, nor is it a sin to believe this way, and I am sure I will get flamed for writing this, but would someone please explain this?

I do not believe that the only way to Jesus is through Mary, although I understand her mediation and her divine Motherhood. I believe one can go directly to Jesus Himself, and to the Father through Jesus. Jesus Himself says we should come unto Him. I believe Mary can intercede for us if we ask, but that is only because God has given her the power to hear our prayers, I believe everything comes from Christ alone.

Now I respectfully ask if someone could please tell me why I should consecrate myself to a human being, rather than her Divine Son? Or why I should go through a human being to consecrate myself to Christ. And please do not take this as criticism, I would really like to understand what this devotion is all about.

And no, I am not and never will be a Protestant.
All of your questions are answered very thoroughly and lovingly in the book True Devotion to Mary by St. Louis de Montfort. I highly recommend reading through it carefully as I am convinced it will not only answer your questions satisfactorily but give you good enough reason to want to do this yourself.
 
I am afraid, that after 64 years of being a Catholic, I still do not understand this. I accept everything the Church teaches about Our Lady, and love her and pray the Rosary, ask for her intercession, etc. but I cannot understand totally consecrating my life to anyone but Jesus Christ Himself. I don’t believe I am a bad Catholic for this, nor is it a sin to believe this way, and I am sure I will get flamed for writing this, but would someone please explain this?

I do not believe that the only way to Jesus is through Mary, although I understand her mediation and her divine Motherhood. I believe one can go directly to Jesus Himself, and to the Father through Jesus. Jesus Himself says we should come unto Him. I believe Mary can intercede for us if we ask, but that is only because God has given her the power to hear our prayers, I believe everything comes from Christ alone.

Now I respectfully ask if someone could please tell me why I should consecrate myself to a human being, rather than her Divine Son? Or why I should go through a human being to consecrate myself to Christ. And please do not take this as criticism, I would really like to understand what this devotion is all about.

And no, I am not and never will be a Protestant.
Hello CB Catholic:
St Louis Marie de Montfort explains very well in his book “True Devotion to Mary” what total consecration to Mary is and why a person should make such a consecration. I highly recommend reading his book. I would also recommend reading about St Maximillan Kolbe as well as reading some of his writings as he also taught the value of total consecration to Mary. You can read on the internet about the movement he founded “The Knights of the Immaculata.” There are many doctrines that support the teaching of total consecration to Mary. One such is that Mary is the Mediatrix of all graces which simply means that the Holy Spirit dispenses all his gifts and graces only through our Lady. Consequently, to receive grace we should go by the same channel which God uses to dispense his grace, that channel being Mary. Recall that Jesus Christ only came to us through Mary. Yes, Jesus is the universal savior of mankind. But by God’s will and ordination, he came to us through Mary.

Total consecration to Mary is not an end in itself. It is a means to our ultimate end, Jesus Christ and God. As I said in a previous post, St Louis Marie de Montfort teaches that total consecration to Mary is a easy, short, perfect, and secure way to attain union with Christ which union consists in the perfection of the Christian life.

Recall also that to be a christian means to follow Christ. Now Christ loves his mother above all creatures so that if we have the spirit of Christ we will certainly love and honor his mother above all creatures. Mary is God’s masterpiece of creation. She is the mold of God whereby the Son of God cast himself into to be formed into a Man-God. Whoever casts himself/herself into Mary will be formed by her into a perfect image of Jesus Christ.
 
Thanks for the replies everyone! 🙂 Do I understand correctly that if I want to, for example, say a Rosary for Pope Benedict, I could offer it to Our Lady and humbly ask her to apply it in whatever way is God’s will leaving it up to her? Or in the case of spiritual bouquets.
Is total Consecration to Mary mandated by the RCC
It’s not mandated as in everyone must do it… it’s a choice to do it or not. It’s approved though.
I am afraid, that after 64 years of being a Catholic, I still do not understand this. I accept everything the Church teaches about Our Lady, and love her and pray the Rosary, ask for her intercession, etc. but I cannot understand totally consecrating my life to anyone but Jesus Christ Himself. I don’t believe I am a bad Catholic for this, nor is it a sin to believe this way, and I am sure I will get flamed for writing this, but would someone please explain this?
Hi CB Catholic, I’ve been a Catholic much less than you and I’m still learning 🙂 so I’m sure I’m still learning about True Devotion as well and probably others could give better answers. But - the way I understand it, when we give ourselves to Mary, it’s - us giving ourselves to Jesus through Mary, so we are giving ourselves to Him in the end. I think maybe yo’ure asking though, why is it said that it’s better to do this through Mary, and why involve anyone except Jesus to begin with. I think in the book, True Devotion, St Louis de Montfort makes this example - let’s say you’re giving an apple to a king… you can just give it to him, and because you’re his faithful servant, (and in the case of our Divine King, His friend!) - then he will accept it. But if you give it to his mother to give to him, she would put it on a gold plate, arrange everything the way she knows would please him the most, because she knows him so well. Mary is Jesus’ Mother so she must know Him so well. She knows much better than me, what is pleasing to Him. So if I give Him my heart, yes He accepts this from us. But if we give it to Mary first… she makes it even more pleasing to Him.
I do not believe that the only way to Jesus is through Mary, although I understand her mediation and her divine Motherhood. I believe one can go directly to Jesus Himself, and to the Father through Jesus. Jesus Himself says we should come unto Him. I believe Mary can intercede for us if we ask, but that is only because God has given her the power to hear our prayers, I believe everything comes from Christ alone.
I’ve been trying to understand this whole idea… I read that all graces come to us from Mary. Here’s a great article about this idea that helped me: cantuar.blogspot.ca/2011/05/is-mary-mediatrix-of-all-graces.html it seems to me - and maybe it would be best to check this with a priest? - is that even if we don’t know it, Mary is still involved in our relationship with Jesus. So let’s say a Protestant comes to know Jesus but never prayed to Mary in their whole life. But it seems like because all graces come through Mary, that she prayed for this person and helped them come to know God. She is the Mother of every person on earth, even if they don’t know her. I think with True Devotion, it’s making this explicit in the will of the person - actually choosing her in this way, and with a free choice giving ourselves to Jesus through Mary - which is very powerful.

It can be confusing because isn’t it the Holy Spirit who brings us to Jesus. Yes, of course. 🙂 But Mary is His Spouse so it seems like they’re together 🙂 one thing I realized about Catholicism when I became Catholic is how there’s no competition between Jesus and Mary, they’re together, they all work together… what we’re obligated to do is only offer worship to God, and St Louis de Montfort in True Devotion agrees that all our devotions must lead to Jesus. So true devotion to Mary always leads to Jesus 🙂
Now I respectfully ask if someone could please tell me why I should consecrate myself to a human being, rather than her Divine Son? Or why I should go through a human being to consecrate myself to Christ. And please do not take this as criticism, I would really like to understand what this devotion is all about.
And no, I am not and never will be a Protestant.
I think maybe it’s because - we aren’t able to give ourselves to God perfectly… we can do it, yes, but Mary can help us do this better. 🙂 I hope that helps… its just my understanding

God bless!
 
I appreciate all that you say, but from a biblical perspective not sure we need Mary as intercession and mediator. Plus are we any more or less perfect because of Mary??
Thanks for the replies everyone! 🙂 Do I understand kcorrectly that if I want to, for example, say a Rosary for Pope Benedict, I could offer it to Our Lady and humbly ask her to apply it in whatever way is God’s will leaving it up to her? Or in the case of spiritual bouquets.

It’s not mandated as in everyone must do it… it’s a choice to do it or not. It’s approved though.

Hi CB Catholic, I’ve been a Catholic much less than you and I’m still learning 🙂 so I’m sure I’m still learning about True Devotion as well and probably others could give better answers. But - the way I understand it, when we give ourselves to Mary, it’s - us giving ourselves to Jesus through Mary, so we are giving ourselves to Him in the end. I think maybe yo’ure asking though, why is it said that it’s better to do this through Mary, and why involve anyone except Jesus to begin with. I think in the book, True Devotion, St Louis de Montfort makes this example - let’s say you’re giving an apple to a king… you can just give it to him, and because you’re his faithful servant, (and in the case of our Divine King, His friend!) - then he will accept it. But if you give it to his mother to give to him, she would put it on a gold plate, arrange everything the way she knows would please him the most, because she knows him so well. Mary is Jesus’ Mother so she must know Him so well. She knows much better than me, what is pleasing to Him. So if I give Him my heart, yes He accepts this from us. But if we give it to Mary first… she makes it even more pleasing to Him.

I’ve been trying to understand this whole idea… I read that all graces come to us from Mary. Here’s a great article about this idea that helped me: cantuar.blogspot.ca/2011/05/is-mary-mediatrix-of-all-graces.html it seems to me - and maybe it would be best to check this with a priest? - is that even if we don’t know it, Mary is still involved in our relationship with Jesus. So let’s say a Protestant comes to know Jesus but never prayed to Mary in their whole life. But it seems like because all graces come through Mary, that she prayed for this person and helped them come to know God. She is the Mother of every person on earth, even if they don’t know her. I think with True Devotion, it’s making this explicit in the will of the person - actually choosing her in this way, and with a free choice giving ourselves to Jesus through Mary - which is very powerful.

It can be confusing because isn’t it the Holy Spirit who brings us to Jesus. Yes, of course. 🙂 But Mary is His Spouse so it seems like they’re together 🙂 one thing I realized about Catholicism when I became Catholic is how there’s no competition between Jesus and Mary, they’re together, they all work together… what we’re obligated to do is only offer worship to God, and St Louis de Montfort in True Devotion agrees that all our devotions must lead to Jesus. So true devotion to Mary always leads to Jesus 🙂

I think maybe it’s because - we aren’t able to give ourselves to God perfectly… we can do it, yes, but Mary can help us do this better. 🙂 I hope that helps… its just my understanding

God bless!
 
Now I respectfully ask if someone could please tell me why I should consecrate myself to a human being, rather than her Divine Son? Or why I should go through a human being to consecrate myself to Christ. And please do not take this as criticism, I would really like to understand what this devotion is all about.
You dont have to consecrate yourself to a human being to get to Christ. 🙂

You can get to Christ Jesus directly because He said it himself (Matt7:7).

Joh 14:6 Jesus said to him(Thomas), I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life; no one comes to the Father but by Me.

I know that reading through the Gospels would reveal a lot of direct instructions Jesus gave about reaching to God through Him and in Apostle Paul’s Letter and the rest of the New Testament shows how the early christians went about thier activities in Jesus name. You will agree with me they had results that exceeded their expectations.
Why do we neglect such practices that was so effective, to practice that which is less effective? (my opinion please)

If these devotion to Mary was so important, why did the first christians fail to do it? why was it not written about by Peter, Matthew, Mark, Luke, James, John e.t.c ?
 
Someone - please correct me if I’m wrong…but I would imagine that it comes down to the intention. Our Lady will not forget that you have consecrated yourself to her. I don’t think that you’re required to consciously offer every single offering, penance, prayer through Our Lady - it is simply a matter of course…the consecration, with good intentions, ensures that Our Lady is involved in all that you do. I imagine that such a person (one who has been consecrated to Our Lady), can pray directly to Our Lord, offer masses, and carry out all sorts of good works, which Our Lady will “enhance” with her own merit, without deliberately and consciously invoking her each and every time. In the same way that the Church teaches that one can receive a partial indulgence simply by performing an indulged action out of pious habbit (assuming one originally began the practice with the intention of receiving indulgences). For example - I bless myself with holy water to obtain the partial indulgence… I believe that I receive this indulgence each and every time I bless myself with the water even if I, sometimes in the moment, am not deliberately and consciously asking God for the indulgence.
 
You dont have to consecrate yourself to a human being to get to Christ. 🙂

You can get to Christ Jesus directly because He said it himself (Matt7:7).

Joh 14:6 Jesus said to him(Thomas), I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life; no one comes to the Father but by Me.

I know that reading through the Gospels would reveal a lot of direct instructions Jesus gave about reaching to God through Him and in Apostle Paul’s Letter and the rest of the New Testament shows how the early christians went about thier activities in Jesus name. You will agree with me they had results that exceeded their expectations.
Why do we neglect such practices that was so effective, to practice that which is less effective? (my opinion please)

If these devotion to Mary was so important, why did the first christians fail to do it? why was it not written about by Peter, Matthew, Mark, Luke, James, John e.t.c ?
That is what concerns me, as I said before. Jesus himself in Sacred Scripture said we could go directly to Him. It seems that some of the writings of the Saints mentioned contradict that. I am not criticizing the spirituality of those who do consecrate themselves, I am questioning the apparent contradiction here. I do not think we can supercede what the Lord said by saying we can ONLY receive God’s graces through His Mother (whom I do honor and respect, and pray to, BTW). This seems inconsistent to me.

Anyway, I am not as uneducated as people may assume about the matter. I am somewhat familiar with St. Louis and St Kolbe, but I cannot agree with them as I understand this. I know that it is not magesterial teaching. I think I will stop trying and just leave the matter in the hands of the Holy Spirit. Everyone has to develop their own relationship with the Lord, according to His will. God Bless and thank you everyone for your kind replies.
 
Thanks for the replies everyone! 🙂 Do I understand correctly that if I want to, for example, say a Rosary for Pope Benedict, I could offer it to Our Lady and humbly ask her to apply it in whatever way is God’s will leaving it up to her? Or in the case of spiritual bouquets.

This is correct. For once we make the total consecration to Mary we give her everything, our body and soul, all our actions, all our thoughts, all our good works, even our sins. And we leave it up to Mary to apply our good works ( the impetratory and satisfactory value included in every good work of a person in the state of grace) according to her will which is the same as God’s will for his greater glory.
I’ve been trying to understand this whole idea… I read that all graces come to us from Mary. Here’s a great article about this idea that helped me: cantuar.blogspot.ca/2011/05/is-mary-mediatrix-of-all-graces.html
 
I appreciate all that you say, but from a biblical perspective not sure we need Mary as intercession and mediator. Plus are we any more or less perfect because of Mary??
Mary does help a lot in our spiritual growth. Biblically, Mary is the Mother of God (since Jesus is God and His two natures can’t be separated) and our Mother… there are certain theological implications of that, shown by Catholic teaching about Mary being our intercessor. As for Mediatrix, it doesn’t mean that Mary is a separate mediator for our salvation with the Father - this is Jesus. Mary’s mediation is subordinate and secondary, and within His mediation, and it’s a mediation of intercession. It’s different.

Some links that could help 🙂

piercedhearts.org/mother_adela/spiritual_maternity_mary.htm
piercedhearts.org/hearts_jesus_mary/heart_mary/mary_mediatrix_kolbe.htm
You dont have to consecrate yourself to a human being to get to Christ. 🙂

You can get to Christ Jesus directly because He said it himself (Matt7:7).

Joh 14:6 Jesus said to him(Thomas), I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life; no one comes to the Father but by Me.

I know that reading through the Gospels would reveal a lot of direct instructions Jesus gave about reaching to God through Him and in Apostle Paul’s Letter and the rest of the New Testament shows how the early christians went about thier activities in Jesus name. You will agree with me they had results that exceeded their expectations.
Why do we neglect such practices that was so effective, to practice that which is less effective? (my opinion please)

If these devotion to Mary was so important, why did the first christians fail to do it? why was it not written about by Peter, Matthew, Mark, Luke, James, John e.t.c ?
Going through Mary does not make going to Jesus any less direct. If it contradicted what Jesus said, I’m sure that the Church would have not approved it. If it seems to contradict, that means that we are probably understanding it in an incorrect way…

Jesus said that He is the way. And He is! We are not saying that we come to the Father through Mary and NOT through Jesus. Now this would be wrong to say and contradictory. We come to Jesus, who is the Way, the Truth, and the Life, with the help of Mary, because she gave birth to Him, - if she had not said yes… He would not have been born of her. She said yes to God’s will and so we were redeemed by Jesus. She’s clearly linked to our redemption.

Jesus also said that we go to the Father through no one but Him. Again, it’s not being said anywhere that we go through Mary to the Father and not through Jesus. We go to the Father through the Son, Jesus. But we go to Jesus with the help of Mary, who is the Spouse of the Holy Spirit… the Holy Spirit is involved in us coming to Jesus and the Father and it’s by His power that Mary has this role too, and that we are redeemed.
Someone - please correct me if I’m wrong…but I would imagine that it comes down to the intention. Our Lady will not forget that you have consecrated yourself to her. I don’t think that you’re required to consciously offer every single offering, penance, prayer through Our Lady - it is simply a matter of course…the
consecration, with good intentions, ensures that Our Lady is involved in all that you do. I imagine that such a person (one who has been consecrated to Our Lady), can pray directly to Our Lord, offer masses, and carry out all sorts of good works, which Our Lady will “enhance” with her own merit, without deliberately and consciously invoking her each and every time. In the same way that the Church teaches that one can receive a partial indulgence simply by performing an indulged action out of pious habbit (assuming one originally began the practice with the intention of receiving indulgences). For example - I bless myself with holy water to obtain the partial indulgence… I believe that I receive this indulgence each and every time I bless myself with the water even if I, sometimes in the moment, am not deliberately and consciously asking God for the indulgence.
I think this reminds me of something in the book True Devotion, St Louis de Montfort says that we dont’ need to always constantly invoke Mary but simply have an internal intention, and of course when we consecrate ourselves to her, we consecrate all our future actions/prayers/etc too 🙂 thanks for sharing this!
 
That is what concerns me, as I said before. Jesus himself in Sacred Scripture said we could go directly to Him. It seems that some of the writings of the Saints mentioned contradict that. I am not criticizing the spirituality of those who do consecrate themselves, I am questioning the apparent contradiction here. I do not think we can supercede what the Lord said by saying we can ONLY receive God’s graces through His Mother (whom I do honor and respect, and pray to, BTW). This seems inconsistent to me.
CB Catholic, I think what I’m trying to say is that in the divine economy of salvation, Mary is involved in everything from the start anyway, whether we invoke her intercession or not… she’s already involved as His Mother. We can think of it this way maybe…
  • We have God’s grace because of Jesus and the Cross.
  • We have Jesus because of the Incarnation.
  • The Incarnation happened because Mary said ‘yes’ to God.
  • So: she’s linked to the reason why we have grace.
  • She is full of grace… if on earth she was linked to us receiving grace, we can think of this still continuing in eternity, since God does not change (St Louis said this). Her mission must continue in Heaven, of bringing souls to Him. Her mediation is that of intercession, is secondary and subordinate to that of Christ, and is a cooperation in His one mediation. We still get to the Father through the Son and no other way, we can’t get to the Father without the Son… but how can we have the grace from Jesus without the work He did to bring this grace to us, which is the Cross, how can we have the Cross without the Incarnation, and the Incarnation happened because Mary said yes. God chose to work through this way… He chose for the Incarnation to happen with the consent of Mary.
I think this happens simply because Mary is His Mother 🙂 I hope that makes sense… I am not a theologian so I sort of struggled to think of a way to describe this but I based my argument on St Louis de Montfort’s argument. 🙂
Anyway, I am not as uneducated as people may assume about the matter. I am somewhat familiar with St. Louis and St Kolbe, but I cannot agree with them as I understand this. I know that it is not magesterial teaching. I think I will stop trying and just leave the matter in the hands of the Holy Spirit. Everyone has to develop their own relationship with the Lord, according to His will. God Bless and thank you everyone for your kind replies.
Pray about it and ask the Holy Spirit to show you 🙂

There’s something about this devotion, it can only be understood by seeking the Holy Spirit, I think St Louis de Montfort said this too. I can share a bit of my journey with it just in case it might help. Obviously what happened to me, I don’t deserve it and it was simply by God’s mercy. When I first started reading the “Secret of Mary” (I didnt start with True Devotion) - at first it made no sense, I got really afraid of idolatry, etc. I put the book aside and asked St Louis to pray for me. I mostly forgot about it, then in the evening I was praying a Hail Mary and then I felt close to Mary and it all just made sense afterwards. I did absolutely nothing to understand it. I don’t know much theology at all. And I definitely don’t deserve this I’m sure. I don’t understand the devotion as well as many others who practice it, I think, (hence this question that I asked on the thread lol!) - but I just began to believe it at that moment. So I definitely suggest praying about it and asking God, and trying to be open to Him, because it seems that sort of devotion that it’s best to pray about 🙂

God bless!
 
This is correct. For once we make the total consecration to Mary we give her everything, our body and soul, all our actions, all our thoughts, all our good works, even our sins. And we leave it up to Mary to apply our good works ( the impetratory and satisfactory value included in every good work of a person in the state of grace) according to her will which is the same as God’s will for his greater glory.
 
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