Question about veiling

[Jenji]

And I was just corrected on another thread about veiling and protocol with a Papal audience:
catholicnews.com/data/stories/cns/0903275.htm

I didn’t get my feelings hurt nor did I feel it was nitpicking; rather I was glad to have the appropriate answer on it.

Your assumption is incorrect.
The appropriate answer, always, is in Caritas.
Veiling is a response and not a mandate.
My assumption, my error, is that all mankind seeks to respond in reverence.

That is where I shall be in future.

 

[LightBound]

Your assumption is incorrect.
The appropriate answer, always, is in Caritas.
Veiling is a response and not a mandate.
My assumption, my error, is that all mankind seeks to respond in reverence.

That is where I shall be in future.

There is no need for the condescending tone, veiled with pretty words. I was simply stating the facts and you appeared to be offended by them or the fact that I didn’t stick 100% to the topic of the OP, which isn’t always since replies to topics will obviously vary. I did not use harsh words or a mean tone (and trust me, I’ve encountered people using those enough of CAF, I know what they are!). Again, I’m sorry if you feel I did.

 

[LightBound]

Your assumption is incorrect.
The appropriate answer, always, is in Caritas.
Veiling is a response and not a mandate.
My assumption, my error, is that all mankind seeks to respond in reverence.

That is where I shall be in future.

Sometimes one’s answer isn’t perceived as charitably by the receiver as the sender intended. I think that’s what has occurred here. I don’t not speak in flowery, poetic words. That is not my style, so I cannot accommodate your wishes along those lines. I will say, that no lack of charity was intended and I am sorry you feel the way you do about my post.

The appropriate response at all times in matters of faith is “Veritas et Caritas”. Again, I apologize if you feel my response was lacking in what you perceive to be an appropriate amount of charity.

 

[Jenji]

Sometimes one’s answer isn’t perceived as charitably by the receiver as the sender intended. I think that’s what has occurred here. I don’t not speak in flowery, poetic words. That is not my style, so I cannot accommodate your wishes along those lines. I will say, that no lack of charity was intended and I am sorry you feel the way you do about my post.

The appropriate response at all times in matters of faith is “Veritas et Caritas”. Again, I apologize if you feel my response was lacking in what you perceive to be an appropriate amount of charity.

PLEASE! Again, your assumption is incorrect.
The appropriate response of which I wrote was in regard to veiling and nothing to do with your comments.

 

[MissRose73]

I would make sure I carried a veil or head covering if I was able to go to any of the churches in the Vatican and/or Rome especially if they wanted women’s heads covered. I would also ensure I was dressed modestly yet comfortably as a tourist.

I feel naked without covering my head at Mass (and other church things) now. Anyone who gives me a look for choosing to cover my head, I just do not reply back to them. No priest has said anything negative to me about covering either, and if so I would remind them of the words of St Paul.

 

[MissRose73]

The actual content of your post and your sharing of your reasons for covering were lovely and most certainly added to this thread and I’m sorry that you feel** that correcting an error such as that was nitpicking. Given that people on CAF tend to take what they read and run with it, it’s a good idea when posting something other than personal opinions or personal practices, that we have as much of the facts as possible. Otherwise, we have people commenting on other threads that when a women meets the Pope, she must**** wear a black mantilla and thus perpetuating that now all women must wear a black mantilla at Mass. You may not see that as a problem, but when you’ve reviewed as many threads on similar subjects as I have, you see a pattern of misinformation that leads to confusion about practices of the Church and in some cases (obviously not this one) the dissimulation of matters of official Church teachings and such.

Yes, some women have committed serious faux pas when meeting the Pope, and not being properly dressed too. If I was ever lucky enough to meet the Holy Father face to face in a private audience, I would make sure I was nicely yet modestly dressed with some type of veil/mantilla on my head. I would also love to see more women covering their heads in some way at Ordinary Form Mass in some way not just at the Extra Ordinary Form Masses where it is much more common.

 

[CyJo]

I think the church has it wrong about this veil custom for many years. Paul said “Her hair is given to her for a covering (I Cor. 2:25).” That’s the covering that should be recognized, hair and not veils. The worman’s hair doesn’t need to be covered and that is most likely what Paul really was saying! It was if a woman was bald that THEN she should wear a veil! Paul said it! Check it out!

 

[sronson0994]

First I would like to say that I am so glad you are wearing a veil or head covering for in this day an age it is uncommon (My mantilla and I have a very happy relationship ) But in your case it is difficult, you must be obedient to your priest, the best obedience is when you do as your told even if you don’t agree,however it is written in the bible to wear a covering. Some womenat my mass wear hats, I don’t know if you have tried that but it suits many I know??? Best of luck and I am glad you are keeping tradition Our world needs some <3

 

[WhiteLeather]

I guess my question now is how does the wearing or not wearing of a veil aid in your participation in the Mass? The Church instructs us that our participation is to be “considered before all else”, since it’s our “right and duty by reason of (our) baptism”. Does your concern over your veil help or hinder your participation? Does wearing one somehow compel you further into participation? Just wondering…

 

[odile53]

@ whiteLeather, for me it’s more of a distraction and nuisance than an aid to worship. I ran this past my spiritual director, and he said since it isn’t required to cover one’s head at Mass, if I found it was a distraction to me I shouldn’t do it, regardless of what others thought. Out of obedience, I don’t. If I go to an EF Mass, I wear a scarf or a hat, but I leave the mantillas alone. I find that having a piece of fabric dangling in my face, Cousin Itt style, doesn’t work for me. Nothing says you have to use any specific type of head covering.

 

[LightBound]

First I would like to say that I am so glad you are wearing a veil or head covering for in this day an age it is uncommon (My mantilla and I have a very happy relationship ) But in your case it is difficult, you must be obedient to your priest, the best obedience is when you do as your told even if you don’t agree,however it is written in the bible to wear a covering. Some womenat my mass wear hats, I don’t know if you have tried that but it suits many I know??? Best of luck and I am glad you are keeping tradition Our world needs some <3

That’s wonderful if you feel called to cover, but keep in mind the context in which St Paul was writing when he mentioned women covering the heads. His audience was the new Christians in Corinth who were still quite influenced by pagan customs. Those pagan women were known to shave their heads and the “popularity” of it spilled over to most women in the city; including new Christians. His words were meant to call Christian women to cover their heads with a veil should they have shaved off their hair…hence his use of hair as a “crowning glory”. He didn’t say the “veil” was a crowning glory. However, given the tradition to cover for Mass, it’s fine if you do and fine if you don’t.

 

[MissRose73]

First I would like to say that I am so glad you are wearing a veil or head covering for in this day an age it is uncommon (My mantilla and I have a very happy relationship ) But in your case it is difficult, you must be obedient to your priest, the best obedience is when you do as your told even if you don’t agree,however it is written in the bible to wear a covering. Some women at my mass wear hats, I don’t know if you have tried that but it suits many I know??? Best of luck and I am glad you are keeping tradition Our world needs some <3

No priest at either form of the Mass has told me to remove my veil or head covering at all. No one should ask any woman to remove her hat or head cover for any reason. If I was approached and asked to do so, I would not do so at all. In fact, my recent wearings of the veil were complimented at my mother’s parish (where i attended as a child too) where people tend to be more casual in dress with a few asking where I got my head coverings too.

 

[thomas_jd]

Head covering was required at mass until 1984. The new Canon omitted the requirement, anything not covered in the new canon was abrogated.
There are many, many ,women that continued to cover from then till now. My wife is one that never attends mass with her head oncovered. I once asked her years ago why she continues that practice. She replied that her head is covered in Reverance to the Blessed Sacrament.
This is very courageous coming from a shy unasumming Lady that would never want to be the center of attention.