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Actually, that notion was smashed - around the year 2000 Anno Domine
Neandertal - once peddled as the immediate descendant by Darwinists - was found to not be.
Do you recall - exactly how that we determined?
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Neandertal - once peddled as the immediate descendant by Darwinists - was found to not be.
Do you recall - exactly how that we determined?
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Allyson
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I am talking about the c. 2010 gene studies that established that there were at least two gene flow events between Homo Sapiens and Neanderthals in the Middle East. That event makes Neanderthals an ancestor through hybridization.
I am not sure what notion you think was smashed.
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And I’m talking about a momentous genetic study which occurred 1999/2000
which debunked the no-nothing self-appointed ‘experts’ re: Neandertal. .
To keep the LIE going - after a fashion - as damage control
they invented a common ancestor between Man and a nowhere group
Neandertal? After several hundred thousand years - their culture reminds one of chimps.
You seen one from very ancient days? - You’ve seen them all.
Man’s Culture of the past e.g., 10,000 years? grows/advances Exponentially
maybe 1 mIllion times as complex as neandertals and chimps - maybe a trillion
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Allyson
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What gene study? We did not have Neanderthal genes* successfully extracted from bones until 2010.
The rest of your comment shows your basic ignorance of archaeology.
Edit: to clarify, I am referring to the whole genome.
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The following is from Catholic Answers.
"In this regard, Pope Pius XII stated: “When, however, there is question of another conjectural opinion, namely polygenism, the children of the Church by no means enjoy such liberty. For the faithful cannot embrace that opinion which maintains either that after Adam there existed on this earth true men who did not take their origin through natural generation from him as from the first parents of all, or that Adam represents a certain number of first parents. Now, it is in no way apparent how such an opinion can be reconciled that which the sources of revealed truth and the documents of the teaching authority of the Church proposed with regard to original sin which proceeds from a sin actually committed by an individual Adam in which through generation is passed onto all and is in everyone as his own” ( Humani Generis 37).
"The story of the creation and fall of man is a true one, even if not written entirely according to modern literary techniques. The Catechism states, “The account of the fall in Genesis 3 uses figurative language, but affirms a primeval event, a deed that took place at the beginning of the history of man. Revelation gives us the certainty of faith that the whole of human history is marked by the original fault freely committed by our first parents” (CCC 390).’
Adam and Eve: Real People
"It is equally impermissible to dismiss the story of Adam and Eve and the fall (Gen. 2–3) as a fiction. A question often raised in this context is whether the human race descended from an original pair of two human beings (a teaching known as monogenism) or a pool of early human couples (a teaching known as polygenism)."In this regard, Pope Pius XII stated: “When, however, there is question of another conjectural opinion, namely polygenism, the children of the Church by no means enjoy such liberty. For the faithful cannot embrace that opinion which maintains either that after Adam there existed on this earth true men who did not take their origin through natural generation from him as from the first parents of all, or that Adam represents a certain number of first parents. Now, it is in no way apparent how such an opinion can be reconciled that which the sources of revealed truth and the documents of the teaching authority of the Church proposed with regard to original sin which proceeds from a sin actually committed by an individual Adam in which through generation is passed onto all and is in everyone as his own” ( Humani Generis 37).
"The story of the creation and fall of man is a true one, even if not written entirely according to modern literary techniques. The Catechism states, “The account of the fall in Genesis 3 uses figurative language, but affirms a primeval event, a deed that took place at the beginning of the history of man. Revelation gives us the certainty of faith that the whole of human history is marked by the original fault freely committed by our first parents” (CCC 390).’
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O Re-AH-Lee.
MeanWhile, your comment shows ignorance of Genetics Study
Genetic studies on Neanderthal ancient DNA became possible in the late 1990s.[2]
Ovchinnikov, Igor V.; Götherström, Anders; Romanova, Galina P.; Kharitonov, Vitaliy M.; Lidén, Kerstin; Goodwin, William (2000). “Molecular analysis of Neanderthal DNA from the northern Caucasus”. Nature . 404 (6777): 490–93. Bibcode:2000Natur.404…490O. doi:10.1038/35006625. ISSN 0028-0836. PMID 10761915.
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The creation story in Genesis is most likely allegorical literature and should be read with the spiritual understanding over literal translation.
My belief follows that of Teilhard De Chardin in that he believed that humans evolved biologically until about 10,000 years ago, then that evolution slowed way down. Intellectual and spiritual evolution continued and still continues today.
It may be that the Adam and Even story was really about God breathing his spirit into the first two humans who became the parents of us all.
There is scientific evidence that neanderthals did mate with homo sapiens long ago.
The actual science on creation is not absolute, but far better than the literal translation of Genesis which we grew up with
My belief follows that of Teilhard De Chardin in that he believed that humans evolved biologically until about 10,000 years ago, then that evolution slowed way down. Intellectual and spiritual evolution continued and still continues today.
It may be that the Adam and Even story was really about God breathing his spirit into the first two humans who became the parents of us all.
There is scientific evidence that neanderthals did mate with homo sapiens long ago.
The actual science on creation is not absolute, but far better than the literal translation of Genesis which we grew up with
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Allyson
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Ooooohhhh! I see, you have the mtDNA study confused with the full genome study that I was talking about. No, we do not share mtDNA with Neaderthals (that is to say it is no longer extant), but we do carry their nuclear DNA with us. I skipped that step since it was already discussed at length in the other thread. lolO Re-AH-Lee.
MeanWhile, your comment shows ignorance of Genetics Study
Genetic studies on Neanderthal ancient DNA became possible in the late 1990s.[2]
Ovchinnikov, Igor V.; Götherström, Anders; Romanova, Galina P.; Kharitonov, Vitaliy M.; Lidén, Kerstin; Goodwin, William (2000). “Molecular analysis of Neanderthal DNA from the northern Caucasus”. Nature . 404 (6777): 490–93. Bibcode:2000Natur.404…490O. doi:10.1038/35006625. ISSN 0028-0836. PMID 10761915.
You are still ignorant of archaeology if you think that Neanderthals were not more advance than chimps.
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gama232
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The concept of “spiritual evolution” is fiction. The Catholic Church teaches there were two first parents not 10,000. Catholic Answers affirms a literal Adam and Eve. Preferring another idea is not credible.
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Allyson
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Nope. As I said, I already discussed mtDNA in the other conversation - see direct link below. Since the evidence of them being our ancestors comes from the full genome, I skipped over mtDNA as it was not relevant to the point. Because you converse by playing word games, it was not clear what you were talking about as being such clear evidence. It turns out that you just ignore the evidence that goes against your presuppositions.In other words, you knew nothing of what I was speaking of…
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There is no reconciling. Science is partly blind. The Church does not separate science and Divine revelation, neither should Catholics in the pews. Nothing has changed. Adam and Eve are the literal first parents. Neanderthals and others that could interbreed with so-called modern humans were fully human. Those that could not were not ancestors but animals.
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As far as knowing everything about everything?
One product of Man - investigation for knowledge of everything? - aka science - is limited…
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I haven’t ignored any evidences…
Adam and Eve have never as yet been disproven via science.
The variety of genetic finds - are still being discussed and unraveled -
It turns out you take claims of Fact which were not - as Fact - when they are not.
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Allyson
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What do Adam and Eve have to do with whether Neanderthals are among our ancestors? As I noted in the other thread, I have not questioned the historicity of A&E.
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Buckeye1010
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Am I gonna have to put you two in a timeout hahaha
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Allyson
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Haha, yeah…it heated up and spilled over 
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gama232
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You have manipulated the words of the Church. You want others to believe your version, not the Church’s version.
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JimR-OCDS
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No it’s not fiction.
The Church no longer burns heretics today as she did in the Dark Ages, is because of spiritual evolution.
Contemplation, a word that didn’t exist in St Teresa of Avila’s time, is understood better today that in the 16th century
If you want, call it an evolution of understanding, but understanding and the spiritual experience are closely linked.
The Church no longer burns heretics today as she did in the Dark Ages, is because of spiritual evolution.
Contemplation, a word that didn’t exist in St Teresa of Avila’s time, is understood better today that in the 16th century
If you want, call it an evolution of understanding, but understanding and the spiritual experience are closely linked.
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Question about when humans started to have souls
This very question is odd…
At the Creation of Human male AND female (Humanity needs two to tango) Adam and Eve have Souls
What does the OP question really have to do with the Price of Eggs?
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