Question bout restoring the TLM

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If the TLM was brought back as the normal mass, what would all of us that don’t know latin do?
 
Or if even that $39.00 is too expensive, find a good used book sale. I currently have two St. Joseph Daily Missals, a St. Joseph Continous Sunday Missal, and a St. Andrews Missal (which is a Novus Ordo Missal)

Altogether I paid eight dollars for them. Now they’re used when I take friends with me to the TLM!
 
As the others have said: purchase a daily Missal. I recommend the Baronius Press edition.

After a while you will be able to follow along with no problem. You will even understand some of the prayers without having to use a Missal.

The truth of the matter is that some people are just plain lazy. The Tridentine Mass is very easy to understand if you just take the time to learn about it. It has a lot of symbolism which must be understood before you can really appreciate this great Mass.
 
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If the Church, through the Holy Spirit, decided to make the TLM the “mainstream” Mass of the Universal Church, then I would recommend that people learn Latin.

There are advantages to having a single language in the Church. You can go anywhere in the world and go to church and you will be able to understand. It would return a new dimension to “Catholicity” which is a big word for “universal.” I still think we should evangelize in the vernacular and perhaps the Novus Ordo Mass will be used as a “transitory” Mass for people to go to while they make the transition to the mainstream TLM.

There are many great Latin textbook and workbooks out there. I am going to start learning Latin soon and a book I’ve discovered that seems to be really good is Wheelock’s Latin series. There is the main textbook, a workbook, and a literature book. You can buy the set of books for relatively cheap on sites like amazon.com or you can go to your local bookstore and buy them for about 60 dollars new.

However, you may want to start with a basic missal that has the latin translation on one page and the english translation on the other page. This will get you through the Mass but you really need to learn the language to “absorb” and “ponder” what is being said.

I hope this helps you.

Pax

St. Michael the Archangel, Defend Us in Battle…
 
No one is asking you to “learn Latin”. A personal Latin-vernacular Missal (like those suggested here) allows you to follow along, and to learn to speak the Latin responses that are expected of you by Vatican II (and that Latin Rite Catholics have been saying for centuries).

If you can learn to pronounce the words “Et cum spiritu tuo”, and you can see (from your personal missal) that they mean “And with your spirit”, then you’re good!
 
It’s quite easy to learn the Canon of the Mass in latin, and then you don’t really need the missal except to read the collect and other changing prayers, if you want. It certainly is not difficult to spend a few minutes memorizing ‘Gloria in excelsis deo’, ‘Kyrie Eleison’, ‘Sanctus’ ‘Angus Dei’, ‘Pater Noster’, ‘et cum spiritu tuo’, ‘in nomine Patris et Filii et Spiritus Sancti’, and so on. Simply attending a Latin Mass several times will teach it to you- after two months, tops, everyone who had attended all of those Masses and paid even cursory attention will have a handle over the Latin and what it means. You don’t have to speak Latin to be able to understand it.
 
Dragoro said:
If the TLM was brought back as the normal mass, what would all of us that don’t know latin do?
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I wouldn’t loose sleep over this. It’s not anybodies radar to happen, except on these sites, and less with the American Bishops. Take heart, did you see the pope celebrate anything close to the TDL when he was here?

Peace,
FAB
 
Rawb said:
Or if even that $39.00 is too expensive, find a good used book sale. I currently have two St. Joseph Daily Missals, a St. Joseph Continous Sunday Missal, and a St. Andrews Missal (which is a Novus Ordo Missal)

Altogether I paid eight dollars for them. Now they’re used when I take friends with me to the TLM!
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They’re also readily available on eBay. I suspect that if the Church DID restore the Latin Mass, we would be provided with Missalettes like we are now, in some form.
 
FAB said:
I wouldn’t loose sleep over this. It’s not anybodies radar to happen, except on these sites, and less with the American Bishops. Take heart, did you see the pope celebrate anything close to the TDL when he was here?

Peace,
FAB
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What does TDL stand for? (Please do not tell me that it stands for Traditional Dumb Latin!) 😃
 
And if the Pope decided to return the Mass to it’s original language, Aramaic, what would we do then?

🤷

😉
 
And if the Pope decided to return the Mass to it’s original language, Aramaic, what would we do then?
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We would get an ARAMAIC-English missal (if we speak English), or Aramaic/whatever our vernacular language is missal, go to Church, and learn the responses.

Next question?
 
Dragoro said:
If the TLM was brought back as the normal mass, what would all of us that don’t know latin do?
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just what people did 50 years ago, read along with a missal that has English on one side and Latin on the other, and learn the prayers and responses in Latin. If school children and first communicants could learn the prayers in 1957, adults can do it now. these missals are being sold very reasonably on several sites, in bulk pricing, nothing like $39
altho a hardcover missal was a pre-req for every Catholic school child to own back then.
 
Tantum_ergo said:
We would get an ARAMAIC-English missal (if we speak English), or Aramaic/whatever our vernacular language is missal, go to Church, and learn the responses.

Next question?
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Indeed. The answer is obvious 😉

So I’m wondering about the point of this thread… :rolleyes:
 
Dragoro said:
If the TLM was brought back as the normal mass, what would all of us that don’t know latin do?
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I think that’s a pretty big if. In any case, I cannot imagine that IF that does happen, there will not be some concession to the vernacular, at least for the variable parts.
 
If the Church reverts to Latin as the universal language for the Mass around the world, I would expect that the Mass of choice would be the N.O. in Latin. Now before ya’all jump me rest assured that that is only my guess and not a solid forecast. Both the T.L.M. and the N.O. were originally produced in Latin and then any vernacular formats developed. Vernacular for the celebration of the T.L.M. was never in existence except in the bi-lingual missals for use by the congregation. Pope Paul VI had reasons for the changes that became the N.O. which had nothing to do with the canard about protestantation of the T.L.M. else why would he have promulgated it.
 
Or totally content with Mass in the vernacular, wherever they may live. That doesn’t automatically make us LAZY, please…"
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It is laziness. Pure and simple. If the Mass was returned to latin (which will never happen) you would get a lot of people complaining about their lack of understanding the latin language. However, people used Missals for hundreds and hundreds of years without a problem. It doesn’t take a great deal of effort to learn basic prayers such as the credo and the Pater Noster. You will learn this simply by attending the Latin Mass. After a few months, you would be surprised at your comprehension.

You don’t have to understand or hear every single word of the Mass to fully appreciate what is happening on the altar. You don’t have to respond every two minutes to fully participate in the Mass. Those who attend the Tridentine Mass participate in a more prayerful manner. They contemplate the Sacrifice that is taking place before them, and they keep the Passion of Our Lord at the forefront of their minds.

The Tridentine Mass is not for everyone. There are those who love the NO and I fully respect them for that; I can understand a lot of the reasons why they prefer this Mass. However, don’t let a lack of knowledge of the latin language deter you from going to the Tridentine Mass if you are interested.

There is a lot more to the Tridentine/Latin Mass/EF than the language that is used. A lot more.
 
Dragoro said:
If the TLM was brought back as the normal mass, what would all of us that don’t know latin do?
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The same thing you’d do when you couldn’t be present at a Novus Ordo Mass in your own language: get a missal and follow along.😉
 
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