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If Jesus physical body was not raised on the third day what do Witnesses believe happened to it?

Bear in mind that if Jesus was not resurrected in his physical body neither will we be on the last day: and without a physical body how will the Witnesses be able to live in the new world where they will be playing with the lions?

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JW’s do not believe in a physical resurrection of Jesus; they believe Jehovah made his body dissolve or disintegrate instantaneously, since it was gone on here’s some quotes from their website.

From JW.org: Jesus is Alive
Do you know what happened to Jesus’ body? God caused it to disappear. God did not raise Jesus to life in the fleshly body in which he died. He gave Jesus a new spirit body, as the angels in heaven have. But to show his disciples he is alive, Jesus can take on a body that people can see, as we will learn.
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After Jesus’ Resurrection, Was His Body Flesh or Spirit?
The Bible says that Jesus “was put to death in the flesh but made alive [resurrected] in the spirit.”—1 Peter 3:18; Acts 13:34; 1 Corinthians 15:45; 2 Corinthians 5:16.
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Jesus’ own words showed that he would not be resurrected with his flesh-and-blood body. He said that he would give his “flesh in behalf of the life of the world,” as a ransom for mankind. (John 6:51; Matthew 20:28) If he had taken back his flesh when he was resurrected, he would have canceled that ransom sacrifice. This could not have happened, though, for the Bible says that he sacrificed his flesh and blood “once for all time.”—Hebrews 9:11, 12.
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If Jesus was raised up with a spirit body, how could his disciples see him?
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Spirit creatures can take on human form. For example, angels who did this in the past even ate and drank with humans. (Genesis 18:1-8; 19:1-3) However, they still were spirit creatures and could leave the physical realm.—Judges 13:15-21.
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After his resurrection, Jesus also assumed human form temporarily, just as angels had previously done. As a spirit creature, though, he was able to appear and disappear suddenly. (Luke 24:31; John 20:19, 26) The fleshly bodies that he materialized were not identical from one appearance to the next. Thus, even Jesus’ close friends recognized him only by what he said or did.—Luke 24:30, 31, 35; John 20:14-16; 21:6, 7.
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When Jesus appeared to the apostle Thomas, he took on a body with wound marks. He did this to bolster Thomas’ faith, since Thomas doubted that Jesus had been raised up.—John 20:24-29.
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This seems to stem from a faulty anthropology, or perhaps their faulty anthropology stems from this novel doctrine.

What Is the Resurrection?
Myth: The resurrection is a reuniting of the soul with the body.
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Fact: The Bible teaches that the soul is the entire person, not some part that survives death. (Genesis 2:7, footnote; Ezekiel 18:4) A person who is resurrected is not reunited with his soul; he is recreated as a living soul.
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Myth: Some people are resurrected and then immediately destroyed.
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Fact: The Bible says that “those who practiced vile things” will receive “a resurrection of judgment.” (John 5:29) However, this judgment is based on what they do after they are resurrected, not before. Jesus said: “The dead will hear the voice of the Son of God, and those who have paid attention will live.” (John 5:25) Those who ‘pay attention’ to, or obey, the things they learn after they are resurrected will have their names recorded in “the scroll of life.”—Revelation 20:12, 13.
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Myth: When resurrected, a person receives exactly the same body that he had before he died.
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Fact: After death, a person’s body would likely have broken down and disintegrated.—Ecclesiastes 3:19, 20.
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They also believe that Jesus is Michael the Archangel and a created being.
 
I went in circles with them about this topic. I absolutely mean no offense by this, but I struggled because it was almost like trying to explain three-dimensions to someone who lives in a one-dimensional world. They also kept insinuating that the body/soul distinction was an alien Greek concept foisted into a corrupted Christianity, that this issue is alien to the Torah.
 
sheepcat said:
JW’s do not believe in a physical resurrection of Jesus; they believe Jehovah made his body dissolve or disintegrate instantaneously, since it was gone on here’s some quotes from their website.

From JW.org: Jesus is Alive

After Jesus’ Resurrection, Was His Body Flesh or Spirit?

This seems to stem from a faulty anthropology, or perhaps their faulty anthropology stems from this novel doctrine.

What Is the Resurrection?
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So according to your last section, a person can do anything they want this go round, but once they’re resurrected if they follow the straight and narrow, it’s all good? Or will not good people just not be resurrected and given the second chance?
 
ShanPO said:
So according to your last section, a person can do anything they want this go round, but once they’re resurrected if they follow the straight and narrow, it’s all good? Or will not good people just not be resurrected and given the second chance?
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They have a convoluted teaching about the 1000 years in Revelations. You might get a better understanding of their and only their teaching on the subject after you read this short article from one of their publications. From what I understand they are the only ones who beleive this: Catholics surely don’t.

jw.org/en/publications/books/bible-teach/what-is-judgment-day-1000-year-reign/
 
Waynec said:
They have a convoluted teaching about the 1000 years in Revelations. You might get a better understanding of their and only their teaching on the subject after you read this short article from one of their publications. From what I understand they are the only ones who beleive this: Catholics surely don’t.

jw.org/en/publications/books/bible-teach/what-is-judgment-day-1000-year-reign/
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After reading the article, it pretty much says that it doesn’t matter what one does prior to death, only after resurrection.
Are these scrolls the record of people’s past deeds? No, the judgment will not focus on what people did before they died. How do we know that? The Bible says: “The one who has died has been acquitted from his sin.” (Romans 6:7) Those resurrected thus come to life with a clean slate, so to speak. The scrolls must therefore represent God’s further requirements. To live forever, both Armageddon survivors and resurrected ones will have to obey God’s commandments, including whatever new requirements Jehovah might reveal during the thousand years. Thus, individuals will be judged on the basis of what they do during Judgment Day.
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I would like to hear a JW argue against what I’ve stated here, do you know of anything out there like that?
 
ShanPO said:
After reading the article, it pretty much says that it doesn’t matter what one does prior to death, only after resurrection.

I would like to hear a JW argue against what I’ve stated here, do you know of anything out there like that?
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First we Catholics don’t believe in a literal 1000 years the way they do. My understanding of their teaching is Jesus is coming back to raise the good souls ( the bad souls have been annihilated) and these souls have to prove themselves again in this thousand years. Now the 144,000 they always talk a bout are going to be ruling with Jesus. Non of this makes sense to me.

As far as Romans 6:7 goes they take that out of context. No surprise here.

From the Haydock commentary Romans 6:7 Ver. 7. He that is dead is justified from sin.[1] Some translate, is freed from sin: this is true; but perhaps it is better to retain the word justified, which is observed to be a law-word used in courts of justice, where to be justified is to be acquitted, so that a man cannot be questioned again on that account; and so are sinners, when their sins are forgiven. (Witham)

If you read from the first verse Paul is talking about baptism in Jesus death and resurrection therefore when we are baptised in Christ (as by Catholic baptism original sin is cleansed from our souls) we are acquitted of all our sins. And not as they beleive that once we physically die all our sins are forgiven.

I would hope that a JW would come and help us out here so we don’t say something that isn’t true about their teachings.
 
Waynec said:
First we Catholics don’t believe in a literal 1000 years the way they do. My understanding of their teaching is Jesus is coming back to raise the good souls ( the bad souls have been annihilated) and these souls have to prove themselves again in this thousand years. Now the 144,000 they always talk a bout are going to be ruling with Jesus. Non of this makes sense to me.

As far as Romans 6:7 goes they take that out of context. No surprise here.

From the Haydock commentary Romans 6:7 Ver. 7. He that is dead is justified from sin.[1] Some translate, is freed from sin: this is true; but perhaps it is better to retain the word justified, which is observed to be a law-word used in courts of justice, where to be justified is to be acquitted, so that a man cannot be questioned again on that account; and so are sinners, when their sins are forgiven. (Witham)

If you read from the first verse Paul is talking about baptism in Jesus death and resurrection therefore when we are baptised in Christ (as by Catholic baptism original sin is cleansed from our souls) we are acquitted of all our sins. And not as they beleive that once we physically die all our sins are forgiven.

I would hope that a JW would come and help us out here so we don’t say something that isn’t true about their teachings.
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"Justified"is always better translated “declared innocent”.
If one has died for his sins, his slate is now clean.

peace
steve
 
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