Question for all Latin Mass Attending Catholics?

[MissRose73]

MissRose, I am so sorry about the stae of the parishes near you. Here we have so many gifted liturgists and a bishop who keeps his priests in line. We also have many close by options for the EF (although not on Sunday). We love our parish but attend EF Masses for First Friday and other similar occasions.

Please keep my diocese in your prayers that with the new translations that things start to improve and that the EF Mass will become an option there too. I grew up on the OF Mass, and some things were just normal to me like no kneeling and tabernacle out of sight. Attending the EF Mass has really opened my eyes to things we should be doing at OF Mass:

*Much more quiet in the sanctuary before/during/after Mass and people keeping comments/conversations for other times/places.

*People dressing neatly, modestly, and appropriately for Mass regardless of the season.

*Kneeling after the Sanctus to The Pater Noster (Holy Holy to the Our Father) then after the Agnus Dei (Lamb of God) til after Communin

 

[Anathama_Sit]

It seems to me that in graciousness and charity to your family you would attend Mass together. Since I know you realize that the OF Mass is perfectly valid, there is no reason to cause strife in your family for what amounts to wanting to get your own way.

Greetings Mrs Sally,

It would appear that this would be correct, however the parishes they they attend are very liberal and litrugical abuses happen. For my peace of mind, I do not want to be focused on what is going on in their parishes. Mass should not be a time of tension and of negativity. If they went to decent parishes then I would consider attending the Novus Ordo Missae with them. There are conservative parished in their cities that they dwell in that I have no problem with the Novus Ordo Missae in fact they are quite enjoyable. However, they do not like the conservatism in those parishes and opt out for where they attend.

I have tried to at least meet them halfway.

God Bless.
Anathama Sit

 

[Mrs_Sally]

Greetings Mrs Sally,

It would appear that this would be correct, however the parishes they they attend are very liberal and litrugical abuses happen. For my peace of mind, I do not want to be focused on what is going on in their parishes. Mass should not be a time of tension and of negativity. If they went to decent parishes then I would consider attending the Novus Ordo Missae with them. There are conservative parished in their cities that they dwell in that I have no problem with the Novus Ordo Missae in fact they are quite enjoyable. However, they do not like the conservatism in those parishes and opt out for where they attend.

I have tried to at least meet them halfway.

God Bless.
Anathama Sit

I am very sorry to hear that they will not attend an OF parish with you, even if it is not their own. I do understand that people become attached to their home parishes and do not always want to attend somewhere else, especially for special Masses like Christmas. I will pray for unity in your family.

 

[Anathama_Sit]

I am very sorry to hear that they will not attend an OF parish with you, even if it is not their own. I do understand that people become attached to their home parishes and do not always want to attend somewhere else, especially for special Masses like Christmas. I will pray for unity in your family.

Greetings Mrs Sally,

Thank you for your prayers. They are much needed. Yes that is a blight on the Holidays or when I go visiting with my family and friends. We have a system worked out and it works.

I wish I was in a place where I would not mind what is going on at their Novus Ordo Missaes, but I am not. Maybe I should pray for the grace to get there someday.

God Bless.
Anathama Sit

 

[SaintGobban]

Greetings Mrs Sally,

Thank you for your prayers. They are much needed. Yes that is a blight on the Holidays or when I go visiting with my family and friends. We have a system worked out and it works.

I wish I was in a place where I would not mind what is going on at their Novus Ordo Missaes, but I am not. Maybe I should pray for the grace to get there someday.

God Bless.
Anathama Sit

I gotta tell you A.S., you are a far, far nicer person and much more chairitable than I would have been in that exchange with Miss Sally. How is it that some people are able to maintain their coposure in the face of such bad behavior, I don’t know. Maybe it’s because it is all fake.

 

[Anathama_Sit]

I gotta tell you A.S., you are a far, far nicer person and much more chairitable than I would have been in that exchange with Miss Sally. How is it that some people are able to maintain their coposure in the face of such bad behavior, I don’t know. Maybe it’s because it is all fake.

Greetings SaintGobban,

Perhaps it is because I have been uncharitable enough in my own life. And because I grow tired of confessing that I got frustrated with something over here or something over there. It’s just not worth getting frustrated or angry or uncharitable.

I will say this, I have had some posts where I did get snippy much to my regret later on. Thankfully those people forgave my snippiness, but I got tired of confessing that I got frustrated with so and so on Catholic Answers Forum [this did not happen that much, it happened at least twice that I can remember.] My penance was to stay off Catholic Anwers Forum for about a week and pray for those who frustrated me. I learned my lesson.

When I do see a post that is posted in response to one of my posts that can be construed as not being charitable, I remember the times I was not charitable. And I also remember it is hard in saying all that you want to say on here. It is hard to convey feelings and such things in words on a computer screen. I have found most people here on Catholic Answers Forum are not here for argumentative purposes.

And secondly Mrs Sally did do me some good. Becuase in the end, I see that I have tried all that I can do with in regards to my family.

It is by the grace of God that things do not bother me here on Catholic Answers Forum as they once did. Pray for me that I may grow in humility and charity. I would appreciate it.

God Bless.
Anathama Sit

 

[CradleCath]

Okay, assuming by Latin Mass, you are only referring to the 1962 mass and not the ordinary form said in Latin, I am happy there is a more faithful translation.

I have always primarily attended the EF; but in any case, the translation will not encourage me to attend the OF. There is more to the EF than the Latin Language.

“I will go unto the Altar of God,
To God Who giveth joy to my youth.”

“Cleanse my heart, O God Almighty, Who didst cleanse
the lips of the Prophet Isaias with a burning coal.”

And my favorite is the Last Gospel:
“He was in the world, and the world was made by Him
and the world knew Him not”

SO MANY PRAYERS THAT SAY SO MUCH, SO WELL!!!

 

[Mrs_Sally]

I gotta tell you A.S., you are a far, far nicer person and much more chairitable than I would have been in that exchange with Miss Sally. How is it that some people are able to maintain their coposure in the face of such bad behavior, I don’t know. Maybe it’s because it is all fake.

Please help me to understand what in my exchange with Anathama Sit was “bad behavior”? I certainly did not intend to be rude or scolding in my questions to him. As scripture tells us, it is often to those of us with more knowledge (Anathama) to be charitable to our ‘weaker brothers’ (his family). That was the intention of my question.

 

[corsair]

I’ve spent some time studying the “new translation” and I am fairly impressed with it. My real concern is with the music. Some of the new Mass settings are just as bad as the the “old new Mass”.

Our choir director has the same concerns. Our local pastor wants all of the six parish cluster to do the same Mass settings. That is not going to be a successful approach. Several of them as very progressive and some are very conservative. It just will not fly for very long.

 

[asia53]

I gotta tell you A.S., you are a far, far nicer person and much more chairitable than I would have been in that exchange with Miss Sally. How is it that some people are able to maintain their coposure in the face of such bad behavior, I don’t know. Maybe it’s because it is all fake.

Ummm, because Anathama Sit is a nice person. Always gracious, thoughtful. Fake, not that I have ever seen.

 

[Contra_Mundum_1]

“I will go unto the Altar of God,
To God Who giveth joy to my youth.”

“Cleanse my heart, O God Almighty, Who didst cleanse
the lips of the Prophet Isaias with a burning coal.”

And my favorite is the Last Gospel:
“He was in the world, and the world was made by Him
and the world knew Him not”

SO MANY PRAYERS THAT SAY SO MUCH, SO WELL!!!

These prayers and the last Gospel are so beautiful and meaningful and I simply can’t understand why anyone would want to get rid of them. What has the mass gained by that? So sad.

 

[YoungTradCath]

I always wondered why the Last Gospel was removed… such a perfect, succinct way of ending things.

 

[Peter_Gabriel]

I’m thrilled about the new English translation of the Mass!

What do Catholics who currently attend only the Latin Mass think about it?

Will it bring you back to the English Mass or will you continue to prefer the Latin?

What will bring you back to the Traditional Latin Mass? I’m sure the new translation is an improvement, and I will go when I can’t get to a TLM, but nothing is as beautiful as our holy tradition.

 

[liturgyluver]

I’m even more determined to stick with the Latin Mass in either form. The “new” translation is interesting but it brings up as many questions as it solves. Doesn’t even come close to the Polish translation. And it’s still a translation, not the real McCoy. English can’t possibly capture all the Latin grammar and nuances that were in effect during the time of Christ. Whether Christ spoke Latin or not is really immaterial. The inscription on the Cross was in Latin, Hebrew, and Greek. Not in English nor any other barbaric language.

Thanks for asking.

Whilst I am not questioning the authenticity of the Polish translation,I hope you don’t mind me saying that, having been to mass in Poland, Polish is not a pleasant language to listen to, unlike Italian or French.

 

[Contra_Mundum_1]

Polish is not a pleasant language to listen to, unlike Italian or French.

Well, obviously this is a personal preference. If your mother tongue was a Slavic language for example, maybe you’d like Polish and how it sounds. And your comment is quite offensive.

 

[liturgyluver]

Well, obviously this is a personal preference. If your mother tongue was a Slavic language for example, maybe you’d like Polish and how it sounds. And your comment is quite offensive.

Well, obvioualy it’s a personal preference, but common among the Italian community I worked with in Poland.

I’m afraid I don’t agree that I am being offensive…I have not said anything derogatory about Polish people who I like and admire very much. Presumably there are others who will think the same about English, or Italian, or French, or German. It’s common for people to talk about language and accents, and which they like or dislike, and we all have different views. It’s no use pretending that we like all languages equally.

 

[Contra_Mundum_1]

Well, obvioualy it’s a personal preference, but common among the Italian community I worked with in Poland.

I’m afraid I don’t agree that I am being offensive…I have not said anything derogatory about Polish people who I like and admire very much. Presumably there are others who will think the same about English, or Italian, or French, or German. It’s common for people to talk about language and accents, and which they like or dislike, and we all have different views. It’s no use pretending that we like all languages equally.

Yes, sure, we all have our preferences, but if someone told you that didn’t like your accent and that for example, you sounded like a proper chav, my guess is you’d be offended. And rightly so. I just don’t see the point in saying that a certain language (or accent) sounds ugly.

 

[liturgyluver]

Yes, sure, we all have our preferences, but if someone told you that didn’t like your accent and that for example, you sounded like a proper chav, my guess is you’d be offended. And rightly so. I just don’t see the point in saying that a certain language (or accent) sounds ugly.

Fair enough, I genuinely didn’t mean to be offensive and apologise if it came across as so. Best wishes.

 

[prettiefly]

I am fortunate enough to be able to attend the Traditional Latin Mass every Sunday, why would I want to attend an Ordinary Form Mass, in Latin or English? It isn’t about the language as much, although Latin is the Church’s language, it is also about a mindset. A Latin OF Mass is an improvement, and I have seen it done quite well, I still find it lacking. While I am quite clear that the OF is just as valid as the EF, it’s framework is intrinsically flawed. It’s lack of true organic development is apparent, it is pieced together. Gregorian Chant according to V2, is to have ‘pride of place’, yet the Latin Propers do not fit the OF. I could go on and on, and others could do a better job of it than I, but I will finish by saying that truly, if I never had to attend a Ordinary Form Mass again, and only attend the Extraordinary Form Mass, I couldn’t be happier.