In general, if I use the word ‘Catholic’ such as I have in your citations it is to distinguish Lutheran or Anglican from Roman Catholics. I don’t refer to Lutherans and Anglicans as Catholics unless I am referring to the ‘Catholic’ [universal] faith or the catholicity of these two denomination’s expression. If this confuses readers than I will use ‘Roman Catholic’ whenever referring to the Church of Rome.
You have been reported. You have no intent of honest dialogue, since your mad because you feel only the RCC has the right to the term "Catholic "Great analogy!
And, again, if a stranger comes to your town and asks, “Where is the nearest Catholic Church” it would be a very, very disingenuous person who points him here:
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We all know what the stranger means when he asks for directions to the local Catholic Church. All of us.
True.
Agree. The irony is that many if not most non-Roman Catholics posters on CAF have a strong affinity and desire to reunite with the mother Church, especially Lutherans and Anglicans. Pope Francis is viewed by some of us as our Father also.
Yeah.for all the good it will do.
I really assumed you would get to this conclusion in this dialogueIn general, if I use the word ‘Catholic’ such as I have in your citations it is to distinguish Lutheran or Anglican from Roman Catholics. I don’t refer to Lutherans and Anglicans as Catholics unless I am referring to the ‘Catholic’ [universal] faith or the catholicity of these two denomination’s expression. If this confuses readers than I will use ‘Roman Catholic’ whenever referring to the Church of Rome.
Hope this helps.
And Peace to you, also!
but the real question still remains as this is only half of the logic… Sorry to be picky on the point but there is still confusion guys.I appreciate your inquiry and way you express yourself unlike myself and a few others on CAF. Let me put it this way; when I walk into a Roman Catholic church I feel at home maybe even more so than when I enter some Lutheran churches; God’s presence and actual personification in the tabernacle. Lutherans and Catholics speak the same language like extended family. We are unworthy receivers of Christ; the magnitude of that grace is beyond my comprehension.I really assumed you would get to this conclusion in this dialogue
Now that we know how you will distinguish each "catholic’ in your dialogue since you do have control over your own thoughts, how have you, or will you, be able to distinguish what, or who, is meant by “Catholic” or “catholic” when addressed to you?
Peace!!!
no one can not deny and not know the spirit of God in a Baptist church, for example. If I receive holy Communion among Presbyterians, Methodists and others, I receive Christ. Isn’t that the only thing that is important for Christians?Except that term excludes Catholics such as Ruthenian Catholics, Chaldean Catholics, Maronites, etc etc etc.
EC I am certainly not here to question the integrity of your worship or the ecumenism in which you choose to express it. I’m sure you can show many Catholics, including myself, a thing or two. I am, as others are, just questioning your usage of the terms “Catholic”, “catholic” and “Roman Catholic”. As PR pointed out in the next post, and this will be my final point, that the usage of “Roman Catholic” is not as inclusive as you are portraying and could be insulting to those who are in communion with Rome but not of the Roman/Latin rite.I appreciate your inquiry and way you express yourself unlike myself and a few others on CAF. Let me put it this way; when I walk into a Roman Catholic church I feel at home maybe even more so than when I enter some Lutheran churches; God’s presence and actual personification in the tabernacle. Lutherans and Catholics speak the same language like extended family. We are unworthy receivers of Christ; the magnitude of that grace is beyond my comprehension.
I can worship God in the ancient liturgy of the Mass whether I am in a Roman Catholic, Anglican or Lutheran parish. Sadly, I have yet to worship in an Orthodox setting but my local voting precinct is in a Coptic Orthodox narthex. Afterward I walk into the magnificent nave and immediately feel our Lord. That experience may be lacking in Protestant churches but I know instinctively, that they are in our Lord’s presence and express it differently. Big deal
And that’s that lie of the devil, who aims to destroy the body of Christ, by making people think that all churches hold the same faith. Does the Holy Spirit reside in non-Catholic churches? Sure. Does it lead them to the fullness of Truth, certainly not. Do churches without a validly ordained Priest confer the Real Presence of Christ, body blood soul and divinity in the Eucharist? No. Certainly not.I appreciate your inquiry and way you express yourself unlike myself and a few others on CAF. Let me put it this way; when I walk into a Roman Catholic church I feel at home maybe even more so than when I enter some Lutheran churches; God’s presence and actual personification in the tabernacle. Lutherans and Catholics speak the same language like extended family. We are unworthy receivers of Christ; the magnitude of that grace is beyond my comprehension.
I can worship God in the ancient liturgy of the Mass whether I am in a Roman Catholic, Anglican or Lutheran parish. Sadly, I have yet to worship in an Orthodox setting but my local voting precinct is in a Coptic Orthodox narthex. Afterward I walk into the magnificent nave and immediately feel our Lord. That experience may be lacking in Protestant churches but I know instinctively, that they are in our Lord’s presence and express it differently. Big deal
I agree. The realization that Christ is physically among us reminds me of St Thomas who proclaims “My Lord and my God!”
I think you have just created a real problem for yourself. If you accept the fact, as you stated, that the Holy Spirit resides in non-catholic churches but does not lead them to the fullness of Truth then you say the Holy Spirit is in error. “And the Truth will set you free”. This is often misinterpreted as facts or information when it actually refers to Jesus himself (I am the Way, the Truth, and the Light). We are told that the Spirit will always bear witness to the Truth therefore the Spirit must always bear witness to Jesus Christ. Therefore the Holy Spirit, wherever it dwells, will ALWAYS bear witness to Jesus Christ be it in a Protestant, Catholic, or Orthodox church. Therefore Truth will always be found where the name of the Lord Jesus is glorified, honored, and worshiped and people of goodwill strive, to the best of their understand and ability, to follow and serve Him.
Yes the Holy Spirit is wherever Christ’s Truth is proclaimed. He is with all the baptized.
The Holy Spirit will always lead a seeker to the fullness of Truth. If a believer does not conform his views to the Truth, however, that is a result of one’s free will.
What was in my head and what I wrote were certainly out of sync. My intent was to say does the Holy Spirit lead them to conflicting truths, certainly not. The Holy Spirit, is is is is Truth.
