I was referring to your remark: “Notice also that those Christians who did observe the Sabbath also observed circumcision, attended the Jewish synagogue, and **observed the annual feasts **as well.” bolded what Col. 2:16-17 agrees with.
That doesn’t make sense. How could you anticipate a claim that you knew I never claimed?
Ben! Welcome to the forum and this thread.
Since this a question of quantity, not authority, google the Sozomen quote, and note how many Adventist websites cite it. (I saw: Sabbath Truth, and its Amazing Facts siblings; LLT; Project Restore, Pathlights and its siblings; SDANet books, personal pages, etc.)
Sorry for the confusion. I meant to say: I thought you would point out that you never claimed that these sabbatarians were “primitive Seventh-day Adventists.”
Amen, lol!Almost 300 posts and no answer to this yet?
I love the simplicity of trusting the Church. Its so liberating! To think for so long the brightest and best minds have looked at all this already.
Thank you Jesus, for the Catholic Church.
And no fair asking how I found it or heard about it either! Me and my random walk research “method” turn up all sorts of new things that most peopple haven’t heard. Had a prof working on his doctorate in Jeremiah and I’d find articles that he didn’t know about! Right now, I’m proving that the traditional SDA interpretation of Col. 2:16 is correct–again, most people don’t know this.
Since you knew I wouldn’t claim it then why bring it up? It’s a straw man argument.
And in Colossae they weren’t chewed out by Paul for doing so!
Doesn’t mean that they didn’t either. All we have to do is point out that they were doing it–and that under-cuts any notion that either Jesus or the apostles set aside the Sabbath. They didn’t, it was a later development which we think happened around 135 A.D… But, even then it was universal throughout Christendom and pre-dominant Sunday-keeping took time to take hold.
Well, we’ve been hitting around it!
The Jewish Revolt happened in 66-73 AD not 135 A.D. The Sunday is to recall into mind that Jesus the Son of God was rose from the dead on the first day of the week.
We worship on Sunday because it’s the day that commemorates the Resurrection of the Lord. The earliest traditions of the Church recognize the first day of the week as a special day. Yes, some early Christians also observed the Sabbath, but fairly early on Sunday was the prime CHRISTIAN worship day.
No, we are not breaking the Commandments by not observing the Sabbath. The commandment to observe the Sabbath is found in the 10 Commandments, and the 10 Commandments are part of the 613 Commandments that make up the Mosaic Law. These commandments…all 613, were given to the Israelites to observe as part of their covenant. If we seek to be justified by observing this one commandment, but fail in observance of any of the other 612 Commandments found in the Hebrew Scriptures, we become guilty of being Law Breakers…and how many of us could really faithfully observe the Sabbath which has 36 specific restrictions on various forms of labor. We couldn’t drive, carry our bibles to Church, carry keys…have money in our pockets…Sabbath Observance is very exacting and detailed. Christian are given two commandments to follow…Love God…Love Neighbor…
For those reasons mentioned above…you could do a web search, but would need to be cautious of some of the web sites you looked at…but unity of worship would also figure in.
Easter Sunday…and was developmental.
Hey, some Roman Emperors were Christian…and did have the power of legislation…but no, Sunday worship was around before the Emperors got involved with the Church…MANDATORY? I think that was a later development.
As I said in my first response, I didn’t mean to assign the claim to you. I added the additional statement for the benefit of others who held that interpretation.
Do you believe a Christian can legitimately practice the rite of circumcision?
Perhaps we should also practice circumcision and observe the annual feasts, since the sabbatarian Christians of the 5th century did so. Following your reasoning, their example also “undercuts any notion that either Jesus or the apostles set aside” those observances.
How? The churches of Constantinople and Antioch venerated the sabbath as a liturgical feast, but forbade the observation of literal rest upon it. That’s not a contradiction.
Well, let’s look at the standings. So far, we have learned that the four most influential churches of 5th century Christianity (Rome, Alexandria, Constantinople and Antioch), which exercised considerable authority on their neighbors, opposed the observation of a literal rest on the seventh-day. Unfortunately, we don’t have any record of what the Smyrnans were doing at this time; most churches were insignificant on the global stage. To argue that they observed a sabbath rest from this lack of available data is to construct an argument from silence. it is far more likely that they were following the practices of their Patriarchal neighbors.
As I just saw, it was already noted, that there was a 2nd revolt in 132-5 A.D. Here’s some details at britannica.com/eb/article-9043606/Jewish-Revolt-Second.
I was! There’s sound medical reasons for doing it.
I meant in obedience to the Law. Is it right to practice circumcision, not for medical reasons, but for religious reasons?djconklin said:
