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All of these are directed to Ali Hussain?
Do you mean Husayn-Ali entitled Bahaullah? Yes, the reality of Husayn-Ali (Bahaullah). “Baha” is the Most Great Name invoked in all prayers of all religions, though this Name was hidden before.
 
Do you mean Husayn-Ali entitled Bahaullah? Yes, the reality of Husayn-Ali (Bahaullah). “Baha” is the Most Great Name invoked in all prayers of all religions, though this Name was hidden before.
So all your prayers are directed to him? Bahai truth you might be able to give a clear and concise answer to this question for me, which no bahai has until this point. Is Ali Hussain God to you? Is he the highest possible existence in his spirit? Is he your creator and sustainer?
 
Yes Husayn Ali, entitled Bahaullah. His name is not Ali Hussein, it’s Husayn Ali. His most popular title is “Bahaullah” but his other titles also includes Ancient Beauty, Blessed Beauty, Ancient of Days, Speaker on Sinai (I.e. He who spoke to Moses), and Father, etc. “Bahaullah” is the most popular title because “Baha” is considered the hidden Most Great Name which is now revealed to mankind. It is the title of Husayn Ali.

He who Christians hope to meet after the final universal Resurrection is Husayn Ali Baha’u’llah, the final universal Resurrection of mankind already passed.
 
So all your prayers are directed to him? Bahai truth you might be able to give a clear and concise answer to this question for me, which no bahai has until this point. Is Ali Hussain God to you? Is he the highest possible existence in his spirit? Is he your creator and sustainer?
Yes Ignatian, all our prayers are directed to Baha’u’llah …

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Yes Ignatian, all our prayers are directed to Baha’u’llah …

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Every single prayer you utter is directed to Ali hussain? So when bahais have said that he was the father and have skirted around the issue as to whether or not they mean the actual God, they actually meant it? Patripassionism eh.
 
Yes Ignatian, all our prayers are directed to Baha’u’llah …

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The Baha’i Faith is a religion of orthopraxy and not orthodoxy. That means we don’t all believe the same about everything.

Different Baha’is have quite different beliefs about the nature of the Manifestation, the relationship between God and the Manifestations and humanity, how to pray, and all sorts of other things.

What unites Baha’is is our recognition of Baha’u’llah’s station and authority and our obedience to the Center of the Baha’i Covenant, which today is the elected Universal House of Justice.

I personally pray to God sometimes, Baha’u’llah sometimes, Jesus Christ sometimes, and I often talk to other great spiritual figures in heaven in a prayerful spirit, whether Baha’i or Christian or otherwise.

I personally feel that our spiritual beliefs and our religions are primarily about helping us to turn towards God and away from self-centeredness - another word for sinfulness. And I view salvation as being the same thing as enjoying a close relationship with God, where we become channels for the Holy Spirit to flow through our lives, not as being some kind of external judgement of our worth.

We are not inherently worthy - none of us - we all fall short! - we all rely on God’s grace and mercy to give us spiritual life and allow us to participate in sharing His love with all of humanity. So I care much less if someone is a Catholic or a Muslim or a Baha’i - or even not religious - what I personally care about is whether that person is allowing the love of God to flow through them and reach others hearts. When I see that - that is what touches me to the core. We religious people of every belief system - including Baha’i - have far too often used our beliefs as a reason to look down on others and view them as “outside the fold” and “lesser” and “not as worthy”. That attitude is, I feel deep in my heart - a profound mistake. I feel Jesus was trying to explain that many times Himself - for example in the parable of the good Samaritan.

You will see a lot of diversity of beliefs in the Baha’i Faith - but that is not something I care much about. No concepts are large enough to encompass the Divine, and none of our minds nearly bright enough to fathom God nor Christ nor their greatness. I believe that’s not our job. I feel our job is to love the Lord our God with all our heart and all our soul and all our strength, and all our mind. And to love our neighbors as ourselves. We have PLENTY of work to do in that area.
 
Am I saying the Bahai Faith believes patripassianism or father-incarnationism? Honestly I don’t think so because it’s closer to atheism than patripassianism. Yes Bahaullah says God was put in prison (Akka prison), we don’t know the condition of God in prison. We can understand only the condition of man in prison. We can never know Bahaullah. So from the perspective of man God was crucified, but we don’t know what that means because He Who Does Not Die Died. He who is Not Born was Born. He Who Cannot be Contained was imprisoned.
 
A previous post said that Bahaullah claimed to be Allah. See below:

Is this claim accepted by all Bahais? Does it not contradict Muslim beliefs - that Allah can not take any form? In Bahai doctrine is Allah the same as the Christian Father? (I thought Allah was all three persons of the Trinity combined)
It is a huge contradiction and the religion of Islam has nothing do with the teachings of Bahai faith. Don’t be confused because they use the Name Allah. Bahai doctrine does not represent Islam in any way shape or form, no matter what they claim.

And one other thing, Allah is not all three persons of the Christian Trinity combined. Allaah is the Sovereign Creator of the heavens and the earth and all that they contain, the God of Abraham, Moses, David, Jesus, Muhammad and all the Prophets.

Islam teaches the same essential message that all the prophets called to: "There is only One true God worthy of being worshiped, make your worship sincere for Him and leave off worshiping all false dieties."

Jesus holds a special place in Islam a a blessed and honored Prophet of God but he does not share any aspect of His Divinity. No one or nothing shares any aspect of God’s Divinity whether in essence,attribute or name regardless of what they claim. I hope you will understand this and I ask Allaah - Almighty God to guide us all to the Straight Path and Way of Salvation.
 
Katie,

Just do a google search for “anthropomorphic allah” to see what the Quran really says about Allah’s body parts.

Also sit down with your Shia and Sufi and Salafi Muslim brothers.
 
Katie,

Just do a google search for “anthropomorphic allah” to see what the Quran really says about Allah’s body parts.

Also sit down with your Shia and Sufi Muslim brothers.
LOL, come on Bahaitruth 🙂

As Baha’i’s we must “bend our energies” towards the “education of men”

I’m sure you can assist Katie more than that 😃

Allah’u’Abha brother…
 
Sorry Servant I’m not a very good Bahai…
You humble man you 🙂

I guess we can only encourage souls to investigate the Truth for themselves.

I pray that Katie will be willing to investigate the Truth by exploring the paths that you signposted above.

🙂

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The Baha’i Faith is a religion of orthopraxy and not orthodoxy. That means we don’t all believe the same about everything.

Different Baha’is have quite different beliefs about the nature of the Manifestation, the relationship between God and the Manifestations and humanity, how to pray, and all sorts of other things.

What unites Baha’is is our recognition of Baha’u’llah’s station and authority and our obedience to the Center of the Baha’i Covenant, which today is the elected Universal House of Justice.

I personally pray to God sometimes, Baha’u’llah sometimes, Jesus Christ sometimes, and I often talk to other great spiritual figures in heaven in a prayerful spirit, whether Baha’i or Christian or otherwise.

I personally feel that our spiritual beliefs and our religions are primarily about helping us to turn towards God and away from self-centeredness - another word for sinfulness. And I view salvation as being the same thing as enjoying a close relationship with God, where we become channels for the Holy Spirit to flow through our lives, not as being some kind of external judgement of our worth.

We are not inherently worthy - none of us - we all fall short! - we all rely on God’s grace and mercy to give us spiritual life and allow us to participate in sharing His love with all of humanity. So I care much less if someone is a Catholic or a Muslim or a Baha’i - or even not religious - what I personally care about is whether that person is allowing the love of God to flow through them and reach others hearts. When I see that - that is what touches me to the core. We religious people of every belief system - including Baha’i - have far too often used our beliefs as a reason to look down on others and view them as “outside the fold” and “lesser” and “not as worthy”. That attitude is, I feel deep in my heart - a profound mistake. I feel Jesus was trying to explain that many times Himself - for example in the parable of the good Samaritan.

You will see a lot of diversity of beliefs in the Baha’i Faith - but that is not something I care much about. No concepts are large enough to encompass the Divine, and none of our minds nearly bright enough to fathom God nor Christ nor their greatness. I believe that’s not our job. I feel our job is to love the Lord our God with all our heart and all our soul and all our strength, and all our mind. And to love our neighbors as ourselves. We have PLENTY of work to do in that area.
Beautiful post Matthew 🙂

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Very simply, what is the Baha’i position when it comes to sin? Do you believe sin exists? Do you believe you need forgiveness from sin? Do you believe you need to be saved from the consequences of sin? If not, why? If so, how is this accomplished?

Thanks.

Steve
My own thoughts are that sin refers to disobedience of God’s Laws. When we ask forgiveness from Him Who is God’s Representative, Who has the power to forgive sins, this is one subject, but the other is how do we willingly obey God and follow His commandments when we reject the One through Whom His Laws are given to us?

In Moses’ time, if His authority was not accepted then the Commandments which He brought to mankind were rejected as a result of turning away from Him. The people reverted to worship of the calf, descended spiritually, and both they and their posterity suffered.

When Jesus appeared with power and authority, a few recognized Him and obeyed, yet most turned away and fell into the sin of disobedience, rejecting Him Whom God had sent for their very salvation. Pride was a veil as well as ignorance, and Oh! How humanity has suffered since.

Baha’is would assert that even as Jesus’ crucifixion was foretold and His betrayal by Judas, the fall of Islam was fated as well, as outlined in Revelation, for the Beast was the Ummayyads which usurped power from Ali and destroyed the foundation of Islam, resulting in its dysfunction to this day. Talk about “sin”!!

But this Cycle has already run its course of 1260 years, ending in 1844, and in This Day (of God), the consequences of sin is turning away from God’s Messengers Who have come in fulfillment of all that had been previously prophesied, and Oh! How humanity has suffered since…
 
Every single prayer you utter is directed to Ali hussain? So when bahais have said that he was the father and have skirted around the issue as to whether or not they mean the actual God, they actually meant it? Patripassionism eh.
Hi,

Take a look at Monarchianism, Sabellianism, Patripassionism, Modalism. Then there is Unitarianism and Oneness Pentecostalism.

And Subordinationism, Arianism, etc.

If there was a chart that clearly defined these, including Trinity… then we could move on to see what the Baha’i belief means in relation to these ideas.
 
Hi,

Take a look at Monarchianism, Sabellianism, Patripassionism, Modalism. Then there is Unitarianism and Oneness Pentecostalism.

And Subordinationism, Arianism, etc.

If there was a chart that clearly defined these, including Trinity… then we could move on to see what the Baha’i belief means in relation to these ideas.
You left out Ismism… 😉
and don’t forget Einstein’s famous equation: E = MC Ism… 😉
 
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