Question for Bible-Only Christians

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NDfan said:
Enoch what I will submit to you is that the teachings mirror scripture. Please tell me what was taught orally that we don’t find in scripture? And please don’t give me the Trinity.
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Nothing. All Tradition is supported by Scripture and Scripture is interpreted by Tradition. The two go hand-in-hand
NDfan said:
Also if the oral teachings were so clear then why did so many letters get written to re-clarify what was taught? Did the letters contradict what was taught orally, or the did the oral contradict the written?? Answer: neither. They matched.
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Please give me the source indicating that the purpose of letters was only to clarify. :confused: St. John preferred to teach face-to-face over letters. Show me one letter that contradicts Tradition or one Tradition that contradicts Scripture.
 
Enoch said:
If ALL evidence of the Bible were to suddenly disappear today, would Christianity suddenly cease to exist? Would God be dead?

If not, how would the faith carry on without **a single **line from the Bible in print anywhere?
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Matthew 24:35, “Heaven and earth shall pass away, **but my words shall not pass away.” **

The Word of God is eternal! The last Word of Revelation already existed in heaven before the first verse in Genesis was ever written. The Bible is eternal, without beginning or end. “FOR EVER, O LORD, thy word is settled in heaven” (Psalm 119:89). “Forever” means without beginning or end. God is forever eternal and so is His Word.

God magnifies His Word above His very name! “…for thou hast MAGNIFIED THY WORD ABOVE ALL THY NAME” (Psalm 138:2). How dare any man or woman make light of the Word of God. To make light of the Word of God is to make light of God Almighty. God’s Word is more important than God’s name. Why? Because God would be a liar if His Word was not truth. God’s name would mean nothing if His Word was unreliable! Do you see how important the Bible is? It is a dangerous thing to tamper with the Bible. You CANNOT love God and hate the Bible. You CANNOT neglect your Bible and stay in fellowship with the Lord. The Bible means everything to the serious-minded Believer.

Salvation begins with the Word of God! Apart from God’s Holy Word, we would be up a creek without a paddle. “Being born again, not of corruptible SEED, but of incorruptible, BY THE WORD OF GOD, which liveth and abideth for ever” (1st Peter 1:23).
 
Enoch said:
If ALL evidence of the Bible were to suddenly disappear today, would Christianity suddenly cease to exist? Would God be dead?

If not, how would the faith carry on without **a single **line from the Bible in print anywhere?
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The early Christians did not have the Bible for the first 50 to 100 years (I think 🤷 ) They told stories and were guied by the Holy Spirit and the Bishops and Presbyters.
 
SacredHeartFan said:
The early Christians did not have the Bible for the first 50 to 100 years (I think 🤷 ) They told stories and were guied by the Holy Spirit and the Bishops and Presbyters.
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They had theOld Testament and the Gospel of Jesus

How much do you really know about the Old Testament Messiah?

Before Jesus Christ came in the flesh, what “known” facts were there concerning the Old Testament Messiah? According to the Gospels there were 7 “known” facts concerning the O.T. Messiah and His coming:

FACT #1 - The O.T. Messiah (or Christ) would be VIRGIN BORN in BETHLEHEM of the human SEED OF DAVID!

VIRGIN BORN
Matthew 1:20-23 and Isaiah 7:14

BETHLEHEM
Matthew 2:1-6 and Micah 5:2

SEED OF DAVID
Luke 3:15 - People in the O.T. knew that the Messiah would come in human form (Hebrews 2:6-8 and Psalm 8:4-6 and Romans 1:2,3 and 2nd Timothy 2:8; Hebrews 1:5 and 2nd Samuel 7:13,14 and 1st Chronicles 17:12,13; Matthew 21:9,15; Psalm 118:25,26; Psalm 132:11; Ezekiel 37:24-26). Matthew Chapter one traces Jesus from the seed of David; thus, establishing Christ’s kingly heritage. Though Jesus had NO earthly father, Mary was of the kingly line of David.

FACT #2 - The O.T. Messiah (or Christ) would have a FORERUNNER!

FORERUNNER
John 1:21-23; Isaiah 40:3. There was some confusion in the days of John the Baptist, concerning whether he was Elijah or not. Malachi 4:5,6 prophesies that Elijah will return before the Lord’s Second Coming (i.e., during the Tribulation Period). Jesus quoted Malachi 3:1 concerning John the Baptist, saying that Elijah had come. This confused some of the people, because John clearly stated that he was NOT Elijah in John 1:21. Yet, Jesus plainly stated in Matthew 11:14 that John the Baptist was Elijah. Why the discrepancy? Luke 1:17 gives us the answer… “And he shall go before him in the spirit and power of Elias, to turn the hearts of the fathers to the children, and the disobedient to the wisdom of the just; to make ready a people prepared for the Lord.” John the Baptist preached in the spirit and power of Elijah, preparing the hearts of the people to receive their Messiah.

FACT #3 - The O.T. Messiah (or Christ) would be JEHOVAH/ELOHEEM/EL in the flesh!

JEHOVAH
Matthew 3:3 and Isaiah 40:3; Revelation 19:11,16 and 20:4-6; Jeremiah 23:5,6 and Psalm 22:27-31 and Psalm 47:1-9 and Psalm 96:10 and Zechariah 14:9; Matthew 21:16 and Psalm 8:1,2; 1st Corinthians 10:9 and Numbers 21:5,6; Ephesians 5:14 and Isaiah 60:1; Ephesians 4:8 and Psalm 68:17-19.

ELOHEEM
Romans 14:9-12 and Isaiah 45:22-23; Hebrews 1:8,9 and Psalm 45:6,7; Revelation 19:11-16 and Psalm 82:8; Revelation 11:15-18 and Exodus 15:18; 1st Corinthians 8:6 and Ephesians 3:9 and Colossians 1:16,17 and Hebrews 1:2,3 and Hebrews 2:10 and Genesis 1:1,26 and Isaiah 44:24.

EL
Matthew 1:23 and Isaiah 7:14; Hebrews 1:10-12 and Psalm 102:24-27; Revelation 1:8 and Isaiah 9:6. The O.T. Messiah came to this earth as God in the flesh!

FACT #4 - The O.T. Messiah (or Christ) would be the SON OF GOD!

SON OF GOD
John 1:48,49 (Nathaniel) - Isaiah 9:6,7
Matthew 14:28-33 (Disciples) - Worship (Exodus 20:3)
Matthew 16:13-16 (Peter) - Proverb 30:4
Matthew 26:63-65 (High Priest) - Psalm 110:1
Luke 1:30-35 (Angel) - Isaiah 7:14
Luke 4:40,41 (Demons)
John 6:67-69 (Peter)
John 11:23-28 (Martha)
John 20:30,31 (John)
Acts 8:26-37 (Ethiopian Eunuch)
Acts 9:17-20 (Paul)
Acts 13:30-33 (Paul) - Psalm 2:7
Hebrews 1:5 (Paul) - 2nd Samuel 7:14 and 1st Chronicles 17:13
Hebrews 11:17-19 (Paul) - Genesis 22:1,2
Jesus is the Son of God - John 10:30-36

FACT #5 - The O.T. Messiah (or Christ) would be the SAVIOR (Light or Redeemer)!

GOD OUR SAVIOR
1st Timothy 4:10 (Paul) - Isaiah 43:3,11; 45:15,21,22; 49:26; 60:16; 63:8
Titus 1:3,4; 2:10-13; 3:4,6 (Paul) - 2nd Samuel 22:3 and Hosea 13:4
 
CHRIST OUR SAVIOR
Matthew 1:21-25 (Angel) - Job 19:25 (See Isaiah 41:14; 43:14; 44:6; Jeremiah 50:34)
Luke 1:31 (Angel)
Luke 2:11 (Angel)
John 1:29 (John the Baptist) - Genesis 22:8
John 4:42 (Samaritans) - Isaiah 53:4-10
Acts 4:11,12 (Peter)
Acts 13:37-41 (Paul) and Habakkuk 1:5

(It was prophesied in Habakkuk 1:5 that God would work a work which Israel would not believe. It was a 2-fold prophecy. The second part being that Israel would reject the REDEMPTIVE work of Christ according to ACTS 13:37-41).

The O.T. Messiah is the Savior - John 1:6-8 and Luke 2:30-32

FACT #6 - The O.T. Messiah (or Christ) would be the ETERNAL ONE!

ETERNAL ONE
John 12:32-34 and Micah 4:7 and Isaiah 9:6,7 and Psalm 72:15-18; 110:4 and Daniel 7:13,14
Revelation 1:8,11,17,18 and Isaiah 41:4; 44:6; 48:12

FACT #7 - The O.T. Messiah (or Christ; Anointed One; Chosen One; Holy One) would be a PROPHET, PRIEST, & KING

NOTE: The Hebrew word for MESSIAH is the same word for ANOINTED. It is the word MASHIYACH (MAW-SHEE-AKH) which comes from the root word MASHACH (MAW-SHAKH) which means “to rub with oil; anoint.” The word MASHIYACH is translated 2 times MESSIAH (Daniel 9:25,26) and 37 times ANOINTED.

In the O.T. there are 3 offices that are referred to as ANOINTED. The offices of Prophet, Priest & King.

PROPHET
1st Chronicles 16:16-22 and Psalm 105:9-15 (Abraham, Isaac & Jacob).
Habakkuk 3:13 (Moses)

PRIEST
Leviticus 4:3,5,16; 6:22; 8:2,10-12 (Aaron)

KING
1st Samuel 10:1; 12:3,5; 15:17; 24:6,10; 26:9,11,16,23 and 2nd Samuel 1:14,16 (Saul)
1st Samuel 16:6,13; 19:21; 22:51; 23:1 and 2nd Samuel 2:4,7; 5:3 and 2nd Chronicles 6:42 and Psalm 18:50; 20:6; 28:8; 132:10,17 (David)
Lamentations 4:20 (Zedekiah)
Isaiah 45:1 (Cyrus)

NOTE: The word MASHIYACH could have been translated MESSIAH 5 times (Daniel 9:25,26 and 1st Samuel 2:10,35 and Psalm 2:2 - See Acts 4:25-27) instead of just 2 times.

*These 3 offices undoubtedly picture the 3 great offices of Christ.

PROPHET
John 4:42 (Samaritans) - Deuteronomy 18:15,18,19
John 7:40,41 (Many people) - Deuteronomy 18:15,18,19
Acts 3:20-23 (Peter) - Deuteronomy 18:15,18,19
Acts 7:37 (Stephen) - Deuteronomy 18:15,18,19

PRIEST
Hebrews 5:6; 6:20; 7:14-28 (Paul) - Psalm 110:4

KING
Matthew 2:1-4 (Herod, Priests & Scribes) - Micah 5:2 (Ruler) and Isaiah 44:6 and Isaiah 6:1-5
Matthew 15:31,32 (Chief Priests & Scribes) - Numbers 24:7, 17-19 and 2nd Samuel 7:12,13,16 and Psalm 2:6
Luke 1:31-33 (angel) - Exodus 15:18 and Psalm 45:6; 145:10-13; 146:10
Matthew 22:41-46 (Jesus) - Psalm 110:1-7
Acts 2:30-36 (Peter)
Hebrews 1:13 (Paul)

IN CONCLUSION - Was Jesus the O.T. Messiah?

According to Simeon He was! (Luke 2:25-30)

According to the crowd He wasn’t (Luke 23:34,35)

According to Andrew He was! (John 1:40-42)

According to the High Priest (i.e., the religious crowd) He wasn’t (Matthew 26:62-66)

According to the sinful woman at the well He was! (John 4:24-29)

According to John the Baptist He was! (John 1:6-23)

*Good advice - Don’t follow the crowd… follow Jesus. Get in the Word of God!
 
ALLFORHIM said:
If God allowed this to happen then I suppose it was part of His plan.
Since He is sovereign, I trust He would still get His point across.👍

No worries here:thumbsup: I totally trust God would take care of the situation.😃
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**Isaiah says “The Word of the LORD endures forever” - Tradition does not contain every word of the Holy Bible: the Holy Bible does. **​

I saw this wonderful saying attributed to Luther: “He who is tired of the Bible, is tired of life”.

**And talking of him, here is an article on his love of the Bible 🙂 **
 
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