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Wesley7
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What does the Church say about magic?
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regression
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It says this:
scborromeo.org/ccc/para/2117.htm
Catechism of the Catholic Church
2117 All practices of magic or sorcery, by which one attempts to tame occult powers, so as to place them at one’s service and have a supernatural power over others - even if this were for the sake of restoring their health - are gravely contrary to the virtue of religion. These practices are even more to be condemned when accompanied by the intention of harming someone, or when they have recourse to the intervention of demons. Wearing charms is also reprehensible. Spiritism often implies divination or magical practices; the Church for her part warns the faithful against it. Recourse to so-called traditional cures does not justify either the invocation of evil powers or the exploitation of another’s credulity.
scborromeo.org/ccc/para/2117.htm
Catechism of the Catholic Church
2117 All practices of magic or sorcery, by which one attempts to tame occult powers, so as to place them at one’s service and have a supernatural power over others - even if this were for the sake of restoring their health - are gravely contrary to the virtue of religion. These practices are even more to be condemned when accompanied by the intention of harming someone, or when they have recourse to the intervention of demons. Wearing charms is also reprehensible. Spiritism often implies divination or magical practices; the Church for her part warns the faithful against it. Recourse to so-called traditional cures does not justify either the invocation of evil powers or the exploitation of another’s credulity.
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MariaG
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Just about what any Christian church would say about it, it is wrong!
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1ke
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It depends upon what you mean by magic.
The Catechism is discussing the occult arts, which are a grave offense against God.
If by magic you mean illusions, performing “magic tricks,” there is nothing wrong with that.
The Catechism is discussing the occult arts, which are a grave offense against God.
If by magic you mean illusions, performing “magic tricks,” there is nothing wrong with that.
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ohioszo
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From the Catholic Encyclopedia online … newadvent.org … Miracles vs. magic …
" …Therefore the miracle must be worthy the holiness, goodness, and justice of God, and conducive to the true good of men. Hence they are not performed by God to repair physical defects in His creation, nor are they intended to produce, nor do they produce, disorder or discord; do they contain any element which is wicked, ridiculous, useless, or unmeaning. Hence they are not on the same plane with mere wonders, tricks works of ingenuity, or magic. The efficacy, usefulness, purpose of the work and the manner of performing it clearly show that it must be ascribed to Divine power."
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"Irenaeus taunts the magic-workers of his day that “they cannot give sight to the blind nor hearing to the deaf, nor put to flight demons; and they are so far from raising the dead as Our Lord did, and the Apostles, by prayer, and as is most frequently done among the brethren, that they even think it impossible” ( IIAgainst Heresies). "
newadvent.org/cathen/10338a.htm
" …Therefore the miracle must be worthy the holiness, goodness, and justice of God, and conducive to the true good of men. Hence they are not performed by God to repair physical defects in His creation, nor are they intended to produce, nor do they produce, disorder or discord; do they contain any element which is wicked, ridiculous, useless, or unmeaning. Hence they are not on the same plane with mere wonders, tricks works of ingenuity, or magic. The efficacy, usefulness, purpose of the work and the manner of performing it clearly show that it must be ascribed to Divine power."
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"Irenaeus taunts the magic-workers of his day that “they cannot give sight to the blind nor hearing to the deaf, nor put to flight demons; and they are so far from raising the dead as Our Lord did, and the Apostles, by prayer, and as is most frequently done among the brethren, that they even think it impossible” ( IIAgainst Heresies). "
newadvent.org/cathen/10338a.htm
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BryanM27
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What has been said so far in regards to the Catechism and to illusions is correct.
What I will add is that if the question is being asked with regards to Harry Potter (because that often comes up), there was a thread on this in Ask an Apologist. The apologist’s answer was that there is nothing wrong with the HP series as long as the reader/viewer approaches it as a work of fiction.
If you’re worried because your kids are out in the backyard practicing their dueling, might be a good time to make sure they’re just playing around and don’t believe it’s real (can’t tell you how many times I’ve heard young kids say “i saw it on tv/read it in a book so it must be true.”
What I will add is that if the question is being asked with regards to Harry Potter (because that often comes up), there was a thread on this in Ask an Apologist. The apologist’s answer was that there is nothing wrong with the HP series as long as the reader/viewer approaches it as a work of fiction.
If you’re worried because your kids are out in the backyard practicing their dueling, might be a good time to make sure they’re just playing around and don’t believe it’s real (can’t tell you how many times I’ve heard young kids say “i saw it on tv/read it in a book so it must be true.”
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PJM
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Depends on what you mean by “magic” If yor talking about a Las Vegas act, no problem. If your speaking of socersy or Satan related acts; it is Greviously sinful.
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kenofken
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This is a pretty basic question. I’m an apostate and practicing witch, but I still know enough apologetics to know the church is definitely “agin” it!
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Bob_Crowley
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If you’re a practising witch, even a so-called white witch, you’d know, or should know, that the spiritual world is quite real. You wouldn’t be doing it otherwise.This is a pretty basic question. I’m an apostate and practicing witch, but I still know enough apologetics to know the church is definitely “agin” it!
I think you’re asking for trouble, and you probably won’t realise how much trouble, until it’s got a good grip.
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PJM
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Gradpa used to say * that one is far more likely to find trouble when ones looks for it. have you figured that out yet:shrug:=kenofken;6722635]This is a pretty basic question. I’m an apostate and practicing witch, but I still know enough apologetics to know the church is definitely “agin” it!
I’m not at all impressed with you being a whitch: satan contolas a whole lot of souls; your just one of many; and unless you chnge, you’ll have a very long tome to thonk about what you could have and should have been
May God grant you a bit of common sense!*
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kenofken
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Gradpa used to say * that one is far more likely to find trouble when ones looks for it. have you figured that out yet:shrug:
I know that fact well. It’s brought me a wonderful wife and friends for which I would not trade Warren Buffett’s money.*
I’m not at all impressed with you being a whitch: satan contolas a whole lot of souls; your just one of many; and unless you chnge, you’ll have a very long tome to thonk about what you could have and should have been
**I don’t seek to impress anyone, including other pagans. I certainly don’t expect the warm and fuzzies from this crowd, but like me or not, I will never BS you or anyone else on here, either about myself or the Catholic faith as I know it from 12 years of schooling in it. If the original poster was really in question about magic (magick as we say), he should hear the straight dope both from Catholics AND the people who know it from the inside.
There’s a lot of people who think it’s perfectly cool to be a Christian/Catholic Pagan, and plenty of booksellers and covens who will indulge that falsehood. For very different reasons, I share Rome’s belief that that just ain’t so. If people, young people in particular, have a heart and soul that belongs in Catholicism and they’re just curious or having a rough patch with authority I DON’T want them, and they may accept the truth if they hear it from both sides of the fence…
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Wesley7
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You should read that specific verse in the book of Deuteronomy. (whistle)
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Orchanian
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St. John Bosco used magic tricks to attract the young people he was trying to reach. The clarificaiton of illusion vs. occult is important. I’m developing a VBS program that uses magic tricks - comparing magic tricks to miracles. Magic is when something that is impossible appears to happen (but is really a trick), while a miracle is when the impossible really does happen. It’s a great hook to get kids interested in the miracles of the Bible and the miracles that occur every day right now.
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