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Hello and peace be upon you all ,

I am new here, hope my participation will be valuable and informative
I have a question for brothers and sisters Christians:

Islam is based upon the monotheism tawheed that’s why we find it in many verses in the holy Quran in different forms like wahid, alahad, alwahid, etc…
I would like to ask our brothers, sisters Christians, as we know that the Christianity is based upon the Trinity, so why the “Trinity” word has not been mentioned in the bible neither in OT nor in the NT?.

Thank you all and peace be upon you all
 
Hello… and welc:wave:me to the forums.

The word “trinity” may not be in the Bible, but the concept is. As Catholics, we do not believe the Bible is the sole authority for our faith since Jesus did not leave behind a Bible to guide his followers, but rather, He established a Church.

God Bless you,
CM
 
carol_marie said:
Hello… and welc:wave:me to the forums.

The word “trinity” may not be in the Bible, but the concept is. As Catholics, we do not believe the Bible is the sole authority for our faith since Jesus did not leave behind a Bible to guide his followers, but rather, He established a Church.

God Bless you,
CM
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Thank you brother but the bible consider the scripture for the Christians regardless the denominations its supposed to be God’s words and if the Trinity is not man made then it should be mentioned in the scripture,

To have a basis for a doctrine is a very essential matter . this basis should be so clear , thus should be mentioned many times . not to be ambiguous .

if we examine Quran, we will find the concept of Tawheed mentioned many times clearly and strongly . Because Islam is based upon it,

Peace to you.
 
It is mentioned in the Scripture brother. Genesis- God’s Spirit moves over the waters, God speaks his word and creation comes into being. You have God, his spirit, his word. These are the Trinity just as you are a Trinity my brother, and God created you in his image.

God is God.

The Holy Spirit is God, see Job 33:4 - “The Spirit of God made me and the breath of the Almighty has given me life.” Only God is the creator of life.

Matt. 12:31; Luke 12:10 - Jesus says blasphemy against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven. Only God can be blasphemed.
John 4:24 - God is a spirit (the Holy Spirit) and they who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth. Only God is worshiped.
John 14:16,26; 15:26; 16:7 - the Father and the Son send the Counselor, the Holy Spirit - Isaiah 9:6 - the Counselor is Mighty God.
Acts 5:3-4,9 - Peter tells Ananias that he lied to the Holy Spirit, and that he has not lied to men, but to God (the Holy Spirit).
Acts 28:25-27 - the Holy Spirit said “Go to this people and say…” - Isaiah 6:8-10 - the Lord said “Go to this people and say…”
Rom. 8:11 - the Spirit that raised Jesus up from the dead - Gal. 1:1 - God the Father raised Jesus from the dead.
1 Cor. 2:10 - the Spirit searches everything - Jer. 17:10 - the Lord searches the heart.
1 Cor. 3:16 - you are the temple of God - 1 Cor. 6:19 - you are the temple of the Holy Spirit.
1 Cor. 12:4-6 - there are varieties of gifts but the same Spirit, varieties of service but the same Lord, varieties of working but same God.
2 Cor. 3:6,17 - we are ministers of the covenant in the Spirit which gives life. Now the Lord (God) is the Spirit.
Heb. 10:16 - the Holy Spirit said this is the covenant I will make - Jer. 31:33 - the Lord said this is the covenant I will make. 1 Peter 1:2 - we are sanctified by the Holy Spirit - 1 Thess. 5:23 - the very God of peace sanctifies you wholly.
 
And Jesus is God, see: -

John 1:1 - John writes, “the Word was God.” This is clear evidence of Jesus Christ’s divinity. (Note: in the Jehovah’s bible, the passage was changed to “Word was a god.” This is not only an embarrassing attempt to deny the obvious divinity of Christ, but it also violates the first commandment and Isaiah 43:10 because it acknowledges that there is more than one God).

John 1:2-3 - He (the Word) was in the beginning with God and all things were made through Him (the Word who was God).
John 1:14 - the Word (who is God) became flesh (Jesus) and dwelled among us, full of grace and truth.
John 1:18 - the Greek word for “only-begotten” is “monogenes” which means unique, only member of a kind. It does not mean created.
John 1:51 - the angels of God - Matt. 13:41 - Son of Man’s angels; 2 Thess. 1:7 - Jesus will be revealed from heaven with His angels.
John 3:5 - Jesus says without baptism one cannot enter into the Kingdom of God - Col. 1:13 - Paul says this is Jesus’ Kingdom.
John 6:68-69 - Peter confesses that Jesus is the Son of God who has the words of eternal life.
Acts 2:36 - God has made Jesus both Lord and Christ - Acts 4:24 - Sovereign Lord who made heaven and earth. This means Jesus is God.
Acts 3:15 - Peter said the men of Israel “killed the Author of Life.” This can only be God - Acts 14:15 - who made all things.
Acts 20:28 - to care for the Church of God which He obtained with His own blood. This means God shed His blood. When? When He died on the cross. This means Jesus is God.
Rom. 1:1 - Paul is an apostle of the Gospel of God - Rom. 15:19 - Paul preached the Gospel of Christ.
Rom. 7:22 - Paul says he delights in the law of God - Gal. 6:2 - Paul says fulfill the law of Christ.
Rom. 8:9 - Paul refers to both the Spirit of God and the Spirit of Christ.
Rom. 9:5 - Jesus Christ is God over all, blessed forever.
Rom. 11:36 - God for from Him through Him and to Him are all things - Heb. 2:10 - Jesus for whom and by whom are all things.
1 Cor. 15:9 - Paul says he persecuted the Church of God - Matt. 16:18; Rom. 16:16 - it is the Church of Jesus Christ.
1 Cor. 15:28 - God may be all in all - Colossians 3:11 - Christ is all and in all.
Gal. 1:5 - God the Father to whom be the glory forever - 2 Peter 3:18 - to Jesus Christ be the glory both now and forever.
Phil. 2:6-7 - Jesus was in the form of God, but instead of asserting His equality with God, emptied Himself for us.
Col. 1:15 - Jesus is the image of the invisible God, the “firstborn” of all creation. The Greek word for “first-born” is “prototokos” which means eternal preexistence (it never means created).
Col. 1:26 - God’s saints - 1 Thess. 3:13 - at the coming of Jesus Christ with all His saints.
Col. 2:9 - in Jesus Christ the whole fullness of deity dwells bodily. He is the whole and entire fullness of the indivisible God in the flesh.
Titus 1:1 - Paul says he is a servant of God - Rom. 1:1 - Paul says he is a servant of Jesus Christ.
Titus 1:3-4 - God our Savior = Christ our Savior = Jesus Christ is God.
Titus 2:11 - the grace of God that has appeared to save all men - Acts 15:11 - through the grace of Jesus we have salvation.
Titus 2:13 - we await our blessed hope, the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ.
Titus 3:4 - 3:6 - great God and Savior Jesus Christ = God our Savior = Jesus Christ our Savior = Jesus is God.
Heb. 1:6 - when God brings His first-born into the world, let all the angels of God worship Him. Only God is worshiped.
Heb. 1:8 - God calls the Son “God.” But of the Son He says, “Thy Throne Oh God is forever and ever.”
Heb. 1:9 - God calls the Son “God.” “Therefore, God, Thy God has anointed Thee.”
Heb. 1:10 - God calls the Son “Lord.” “And thou, Lord, didst found the earth in the beginning and the heavens are your work.”
Heb. 13:12 - Paul says Jesus sanctifies the people with His blood - 1 Thess. 5:23 - the God of peace sanctifies the people.
2 Peter 1:1 - to those who have obtained a faith of equal standing in the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ.
1 John 5:20 - “that we may know Him who is true, in His Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God and eternal life.”
Jude 4 - Jude calls Jesus Christ our only Master and Lord. Our only Master and Lord is God Himself.
Rev. 2:8 - the angel of the church in Smyrna wrote, “The words of the First and the Last, who died and came to life.” See Isa. 44:6. Rev. 22:6 - the Lord God sends angels - Rev. 22:16 - Jesus sends angels.
 
I think you missed the point brother, the word “Trinity” is not mentioned literally in the bible despite the christinity is based on it

Peace.
 
lightofeyes said:
I would like to ask our brothers, sisters Christians, as we know that the Christianity is based upon the Trinity, so why the “Trinity” word has not been mentioned in the bible neither in OT nor in the NT?.

Thank you all and peace be upon you all
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lightofeyes said:
I think you missed the point brother, the word “Trinity” is not mentioned literally in the bible despite the christinity is based on it

Peace.
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I think you have failed to show, other than by your self-assertion, that Christianity is “based on the trinity”.

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lightofeyes said:
I think you missed the point brother, the word “Trinity” is not mentioned literally in the bible despite the christinity is based on it

Peace.
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Sorry brother, I think you miss the point and concentrate on a semantic; it’s like saying that God is not mentioned as Allah in the Bible or the Torah, so Islam is wrong. These are linguistic and human words for the one true God.
 
I think the semantic is so important when it comes to the core of the religion like Trinity and God should mention his name in his book,

BTW: God is mentioned as Allah in the bible

Peace …
 
lightofeyes said:
I think you missed the point brother, the word “Trinity” is not mentioned literally in the bible despite the christinity is based on it

Peace.
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Light of Eyes… Because we call it the TRINITY does it make the fact that the trinity is expressed over and over again in the Bible invalid? No, we are just putting a name to a concept explained in the Bible. The word Trinity is not the important part…the part that is important is that there is a Father, a Son and a Holy Spirit referenced in the Bible. The Bible says in John 1: 1-5
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by him: and without him was made nothing that was made. 4 In him was life, and the life was the light of men. 5 And the light shineth in darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it.
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And then again in John 1:14
14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we saw his glory, the glory as it were of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
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So here we have the Father and the Son as one (the Word was with God, And The Word was made flesh-the Son) if you are still not clear on the relationship, it is clarified here:

John 1:16-18
16 And of his fulness we all have received, and grace for grace. 17 For the law was given by Moses; grace and truth came by Jesus Christ. 18 No man hath seen God at any time: the only begotten Son who is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.
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Also here is the reference to the Holy Spirit…notice that the Spirit descends upon Jesus after he is baptized by John…this act of accepting the will of the Father and obeying brings about the descent of the Holy Spirit:

John 1: 32-34
32 And John gave testimony, saying: I saw the Spirit coming down, as a dove from heaven, and he remained upon him. 33 And I knew him not; but he who sent me to baptize with water, said to me: He upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining upon him, he it is that baptizeth with the Holy Ghost. 34 And I saw, and I gave testimony, that this is the Son of God.
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So now we have the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit (or Ghost). We know the relationship of the Father to the Son, but what of the Father to the Holy Spirit or the Son to the Holy Spirit?

Well in John 14:16-20:
16 And I will ask the Father, and he shall give you another Paraclete, that he may abide with you for ever. 17 The spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, nor knoweth him: but you shall know him; because he shall abide with you, and shall be in you. 18 I will not leave you orphans, I will come to you. 19 Yet a little while: and the world seeth me no more. But you see me: because I live, and you shall live. 20 In that day you shall know, that I am in my Father, and you in me, and I in you.
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The Paraclete is the Holy Spirit…and that Spirit dwells within the believers. Only God has this power so the Holy Spirit is not only with God, he is God. What an awsome gift we are given here…we are now family of Christ…And God the Father is our Father! We are his children! Christ is our brother! The Spirit dwells among and within us!
 
I think nobody gives a logical reason why the trinity is not mentioned in the bible, the trinity concept did not come about until hundreds of years later. The only reason the Trinitarian theology of Christianity lives today, is because the monotheistic Christians were murdered because they did not accept the polytheist/pagan teachings established by Constantine

BTW: the word “Christianity” is not mentioned in the bible as well.

Peace….
 
lightofeyes said:
I think nobody gives a logical reason why the trinity is not mentioned in the bible
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We’re saying it is brother.
the trinity concept did not come about until hundreds of years later.
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Divine Revelation is a process brother. The same can be said of many Islamic teachings and the introduction of the Hadiths as clarification.
the polytheist/pagan teachings established by Constantine
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Constantine was a Roman Emperor. He did not establish any Christian doctrine.
BTW: the word “Christianity” is not mentioned in the bible as well.
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Is the word Christ?

Wasalaam
 
Light, show me exactly in the quran where it is laid out exactly how to do salat and what prayers to say. You won’t be able too. But if it is so important then why does the quran not show exactly how to do salat?
 
Will the words Christian do?
Acts 11:25-26 Then he went to Tarsus to look for Saul,
and when he had found him he brought him to Antioch. For a whole year they met with the church and taught a large number of people, and it was in Antioch that the disciples were first called Christians.
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Here is a good passage mentioning the Trinity.
Matthew 28:17-20 When they saw him, they worshiped, but they doubted. Then Jesus approached and said to them, “All power in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Go, therefore, and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you. And behold, I am with you always, until the end of the age.”
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I believe the Gospel of Matthew is in the Koran. I this passage found there as well?

Peace
 
Light,
No one is arguing that the word Trinity is found in the Bible.

However, your argument that the concept of the Trinity came later seems to just be anti-Catholic propoganda because as you can see by the various post, there is Biblical basis. It seems you do not want to see and so you do not.

If you ask a question, please respect the answers, rather than simply calling them “no good reasons” when people have given you the reasons. It may be what you think, but none the less is rude to say when you began the conversation. In the same way that people have given reasons for why they think the concept of Trinity is in the Bible, would you please give some evidence on How the monotheistic Christians were killed, or how the Trinity was introduced.

Just trying to help you out with the forums.

A lone Raven
 
cestusdei said:
Light, show me exactly in the quran where it is laid out exactly how to do salat and what prayers to say. You won’t be able too. But if it is so important then why does the quran not show exactly how to do salat?
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Actually The prayer is mentioned in the Quran. Quran told us to pray, and the hadith explain how can we do it, you know Islam has two sources the Quran is the first and the hadith is the second the hadith consider explanation of Quran.
anyway here you can find the prayers in the Quran:

islam-is-the-only-solution.com/5dailysalaat.htm

Peace to you…
 
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