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bryce33 said:
SteveVH,

It’s funny that people care so much as to what other people believe, in a hostile way. Not one person in my circle of friends is LDS, and I find it refreshing that we can all contribute to each others’ views and deepen our perspectives on life without judging each other or having it be confrontational. Whether it be Muslim, or Buddhist, or Atheist, all of my friends respect each other and know that we have nothing to prove to each other. That’s the point I’m making, obviously it matters to me what I believe, but it doesn’t or shouldn’t matter to you. People go off in these forums like they’ve some expert on our faith, spouting off **** like it’ll make all the difference in the world. They’re hellbent on ramming their version of the truth down your throat like that’s any way to show respect to one and one’s faith. You know, I could be off praying to trees or worshiping turtles and for you it shouldn’t matter. The right thing, the human thing, the Christian thing would be to respect all people of all faiths and to not put them down to try and make yourself look better. What good does it do? Do people think it makes the look smarter, can they sleep better at night knowing they really showed that dumb Mormon how wrong he was? However you feel about your faith in God and your relationship with God is cool. I would never do or say anything to you that would attempt to demean or diminish the special relationship you have with God. Your prayers are personal and meaningful and I would never presume to to more or question that relationship that you have. These forums are vicious, are all non-Catholics treated this way or just Mormons? Again, I find it funny that people who profess to be Christian would attack what other people believe. God made all of us, do you think that’s how he wants it, are we not all of us God’s children? There’s some haters here. I get it, some are ex-Mormons, it didn’t work out for some reason or another, but why the venom? Crazy, it makes no sense.
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I think the notion that it is charitable not to question the beliefs being proposed on a religous forum is misguided. The disagreement is with the doctrines and teachings of the LDS church and has nothing to do with you personally at all. You are welcome to defend your faith but no one is going to just pat you on the head and say “well isn’t that nice!”, nor should they. I’ll admit it gets tough around here sometimes and things are said that could and should be phrased in a different manner, but that’s what you get on any forum. Don’t let it get under your skin. We do appreciate you being here. 🙂
 
That also reminds my bryce33. What do you think of me? Im a dark skinned person? Am I the seed of cain? Will I not enter the highest levels of Heaven because God is a racist?:mad:
 
kimg901 said:
That also reminds my bryce33. What do you think of me? Im a dark skinned person? Am I the seed of cain? Will I not enter the highest levels of Heaven because God is a racist?:mad:
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See, I told you we appreciate you being here. 😃
 
SteveVH said:
Might want to tone it down a couple of notches if we want any of them to stick around. 😉
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I understand what your saying Steve. We are trying to help these folks but sometimes you have to lay down the facts. And sometimes its not all nice and friendly. It makes me really mad knowing these lost people are saying Our Lord is a liar and our Father the same. I swore an oath to protect my Church by whatever means :knight2:
 
I am following this trial, the perception of psycopathy, double life, and now the defendant possibly coming forward to testify, which would, in history of defendant taking the stand, a loss…and possibly ending with the death penalty.

The deceased victim was a Mormon who lost their mother before adulthood and was a vulnerable person. I saw that in the photo of this person right before being killed. In spite of participating in sinful acts with the defendant, the person’s face to me seemed to cry out some kind of remaining ‘innocence’.

Then yesterday I saw the victim, when alive, standing next to a life size statue of Christ, crucified and standing as if before the crowd to receive His death sentence.

What was so disturbing to me was the victim’s unintentional, but irreverent posture towards the image of the Suffering Christ in His passion, relating to Him as if he, a Mormon, were equal to Him.

He the model for this poor soul to imitate and follow, not out of believer to Man Made God, but someone equal to God in Mormon progression to be another Christ/God some day.

On the other side, I really like the old photo of St. Thersese Lisieux, newly entered into a Carmelite convent wearing her full habit, 15 years ago, next to this greater than life size Crucifix out in the garden. She had her arms around His feet in complete love and affection.

The victim had no intentions, but to us it could be blasphemous to treat Christ as another buddy. Again, I know this was this person’s expression of love for Christ, but not in the way we see Him as God, separate from us and always will be.
 
kimg901 said:
I understand what your saying Steve. We are trying to help these folks but sometimes you have to lay down the facts. And sometimes its not all nice and friendly. It makes me really mad knowing these lost people are saying Our Lord is a liar and our Father the same. I swore an oath to protect my Church by whatever means :knight2:
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I am going to repeat something I read on another thread that applies very well here. Don’t assume malice when ignorance and error are sufficient. This is no different than a Protestant denying the Eucharist. Are they calling Christ a liar? Not at all. They have been taught to interpret the Eucharistic texts differently. I don’t believe that any Mormon thinks Christ is a liar. It makes perfect sense to them that man abandoned the Church, not Christ. Are they in error? Yes. Do they believe Christ is a liar? No, I don’t believe they do.

I agree with your position, I just think it could be stated in a less personal manner. Trust me, I have crossed this line more times than I would like to admit and especially on Mormon threads. I don’t think I have ever felt more frustration. I’ve also noticed a major drop in Mormon posters.
 
Mormons believe that their church is protected from apostasy, which doesn’t have anything to do with personal apostasy. Yet, Jesus could not provide the same for the Church that He established on the 12 Apostles? Really???

It is a teaching that denies the Holy Spirit. It is a teaching that MUST take the view that Jesus never intended continuity for His own Church.

It is a view that requires one to ignore what Jesus taught.

I have a hard time not seeing any of this as a view that Jesus is a weak God, at the best, a liar at the worst. When Mormons teach any of this, to anyone, they are teaching false doctrines about Jesus, and slandering His Church.

Mormons come here with one intent, to perpetuate their falsehoods. I see no reason to pretend otherwise.
 
SteveVH said:
I am going to repeat something I read on another thread that applies very well here. Don’t assume malice when ignorance and error are sufficient. This is no different than a Protestant denying the Eucharist. Are they calling Christ a liar? Not at all. They have been taught to interpret the Eucharistic texts differently. I don’t believe that any Mormon thinks Christ is a liar. It makes perfect sense to them that man abandoned the Church, not Christ. Are they in error? Yes. Do they believe Christ is a liar? No, I don’t believe they do.

I agree with your position, I just think it could be stated in a less personal manner. Trust me, I have crossed this line more times than I would like to admit and especially on Mormon threads. I don’t think I have ever felt more frustration. I’ve also noticed a major drop in Mormon posters.
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Problem with is, Christ did not say, “And I know you will be with me always” And Christ did not say, The gates of hell will not prevail unless man leaves me"

The only way for a Mormon to be right is for Christ to be a liar…bottom line
 
TexanKnight said:
Problem with is, Christ did not say, “And I know you will be with me always” And Christ did not say, The gates of hell will not prevail unless man leaves me"

The only way for a Mormon to be right is for Christ to be a liar…bottom line
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You don’t have to convince me. They are dead wrong and we can show that they are dead wrong without poking them with a sharp stick at the same time. That’s all I am saying. And I’ve done my share of poking the stick.
 
RebeccaJ said:
Mormons believe that their church is protected from apostasy, which doesn’t have anything to do with personal apostasy. Yet, Jesus could not provide the same for the Church that He established on the 12 Apostles? Really???

It is a teaching that denies the Holy Spirit. It is a teaching that MUST take the view that Jesus never intended continuity for His own Church.

It is a view that requires one to ignore what Jesus taught.

I have a hard time not seeing any of this as a view that Jesus is a weak God, at the best, a liar at the worst. When Mormons teach any of this, to anyone, they are teaching false doctrines about Jesus, and slandering His Church.

Mormons come here with one intent, to perpetuate their falsehoods. I see no reason to pretend otherwise.
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Rebecca, I have all the respect in the world for you, as well as TexanKnight, especially when it comes to things Mormon. Please understand that I agree with everything you say. It was one particular post to which I responded which now I wish I had not. I certainly didn’t anticipate causing all of this and meant to offend no one. AlI I was doing was trying to urge a more charitable response, not hold back on the truth.
 
It is very strange, but recently I was reading two books about the truth about Mormonism and the Book of Mormon, and I became very angry. A cloud of anger and pessimism came over me and did not leave until I finished the books.

I realize now that I needed to read it in smaller doses and pray more. There really is something extremely negative about a church trying to bring down the Church that Jesus wants us to build up.

I really felt as if I was living in a totally negative, inescapable fog. 😦

Even my posts here on CAF were angry and negative.
 
lax16 said:
It is very strange, but recently I was reading two books about the truth about Mormonism and the Book of Mormon, and I became very angry. A cloud of anger and pessimism came over me and did not leave until I finished the books.

I realize now that I needed to read it in smaller doses and pray more. There really is something extremely negative about a church trying to bring down the Church that Jesus wants us to build up.

I really felt as if I was living in a totally negative, inescapable fog. 😦

Even my posts here on CAF were angry and negative.
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I did not take them that way
 
SteveVH said:
Rebecca, I have all the respect in the world for you, as well as TexanKnight, especially when it comes to things Mormon. Please understand that I agree with everything you say. It was one particular post to which I responded which now I wish I had not. I certainly didn’t anticipate causing all of this and meant to offend no one. AlI I was doing was trying to urge a more charitable response, not hold back on the truth.
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Thanks, but I didn’t take offense. 🙂 I didn’t mean to seem as though I was jumping all over your case. Just expressing how I see things.
 
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