Question for Mormons: Explain your practice of 'sealing' the departed?

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How then is there going to be temple work being done during the millennium if no NEW marriages are being entered into after the resurrection?
I would think that those living when the millennium is established, those who have not yet died, would have that opportunity. Those who become ressurrected beings and who have had the appropriate sealings and Temple work done for them would.

Temple work would continue for those who have not been brought forth in the first resurrection…at least that is what I would assume from what I have read concerning Mormon thought…IF I understood it correctly.

There may be nuances in Mormon belief I have not thought of or missed all together as I am not an authority of Mormon belief in any way.🙂
 
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Latter-day Saints believe that when God instituted marriage, death was not involved. Like Roman Catholics, Latter-day Saints believe that marriage is a holy institution. “What God hath put together, let no man put asunder.” As with Catholics, Latter-day Saints believe God does not condone divorce. Marriages should endure. Latter-day Saints do not read the phrase or concept of “until death do us part” in the scriptures and believe marriage is an institution created by an Eternal God who created the institution as an eternal one.

On the side-topic: The title of the thread is “Question for Mormons: Explain your practice of ‘sealing’ the departed?” (see post #1). Because the thread is originally titled “Question for Mormons” and because the forum rules (forums.catholic-questions.org/forumdisplay.php?f=91) state that “Membership is open to all, Catholic and non-Catholic alike,” it seems reasonable to expect that Latter-day Saints would welcome the opportunity to answer the question, namely, to “explain [our] practice of ‘sealing’ the departed.”

The title of the thread was promptly changed (post #2) to “Marrying dead people.” That moved the focus from asking about an LDS practice to asking about what Latter-day Saints do not practice. Latter-day Saints perform sealing ordinances in temples “for and on behalf of deceased persons,” persons married in life to one another only “until death do us part.” Latter-day Saints believe if a deceased persons accept such a “sealing,” their marrige would be a marriage “for time and for all eternity.” It is a practice that stems from a belief, not at all foreign to Roman Catholics, that the living can indeed perform acts of love for those who have died (Roman Catholics pray for the deceased, a perfectly acceptable and understandable Christian sentiment).

The change in the subject line (at post #2), fomented a number of comments expressing incredulity that a living person would marry a dead person. That simply is not a Latter-day Saint belief or practice. But it did precipitate some scoffing posts that seem to reflect poorly on the posters: See post #9 (laughing heads spinning); post #11 (asking about consummation of such a “marriage”); #20 (“comedy horror” and “Scary Movie”); #28 (“zombie romantic comedy”); #39 (cheaper receptions); #60 (“Out of Pollutions’ Depths it Slithers”); #63 (“lol” in response to the statement that “I am on the verge of changing it [the thread title] to Godzilla vs. the Smog Monster”); #84 (“Got to have the red velvet with satin trim if you’re going to marry dead people”); #56 (“Weird. Leave it to the Mormons for just plain weirdness”); #57 (“I heard they are even more Rigor-ous than normal weddings though” [a play on the words “rigorous” and “rigor mortis”]); #113 (“AAAACKKK!!! GAAHHHH!!! barf”).

Numerous postings requested a response from a Latter-day saint (see posts ## 7, 8, 25, 26, 27, 32, 48, 73, 110 [post #111 is mistaken]). Not until post number 51 is there a response by a present Latter-day Saint (mine). The CAF email I received on Feb., telling me of the thread, called the thread a “Question for Mormons.” (I am a member of CAF and receive such emails). The forum rules invite anyone to join and participate in the discussion, the title of the thread is specifically addressed to Mormons, and I saw in some posts requests for a response by a Latter-day Saint. So I responded.

After my first post, the conversation turned to baptisms erroneously performed for Holocaust victims, Hitler, Catholic Saints, roadshows, movies, and the like. Regarding mistakes in genealogical research, evil motive is assumed, possibility of mistake is wholly rejected, and scoffing begins.

For my second post (#85) I address the unfortunate proxy baptism and proxy marriage performed for Jozef De Veuster (later in life known as Father Damian, recently canonized as a Saint). Whoever researched the name most likely did not know which birth record pertained to his own ancestor and which pertained to Father Damian. I pointed out how it is simple for a research error of this type to occur.

JHow understands, from experience, that what I said is probably accurate. See post #91.

But Iloveangels (post #93) continues: “Hello. This is Catholic Answers Forum, not Mormon Answers Forum. If Mormons want to prosetylize among Catholics and convert them to their own weird religious views, then let them set up their own forums and get their own posting members. How stupid do you think we are, anyway???”

Well, hearkening back to the *title *of the post, it was an indication that the thread was to address a question posed *to Mormons *(“A question for Mormons”). And answering a question is not “prosetylizing.”

The response? “Drop the silly Mormon doctrines.” (Post #93.) Twopekinguys (post #104) states: “I don’t think I’ve noticed where anyone has ‘bashed’ the poster. I also haven’t seen any ‘personal attacks’. Perhaps I have overlooked them, could you please link to them?” RebeccaJ (post #124) states: “No one has been bashing.”

Some are mentioned above (see paragraph that begins with “The change”); however, my comment was about “these boards” not solely this thread, and others are found at the thread titled “Scriptural evidence for “pre-mortal existence”. Is there any?” – namely, “I doubt they could recognize the truth if it bit them on the… nose” (elipses in original; post #104); pray for the Mormons “so they can see through the dark veils that they wear” (id); “You apparently have no understanding of God” (post #155 in same thread); “To be honest, I have found discussing with Mormons is not much different than JW’s. One gets no where since they are far-out in left field” (post #270); “The foundation of your religion is not Christ” (post #308).

Glad to contribute. Appreciate the respectful posts.
 
On the side-topic: The title of the thread is “Question for Mormons: Explain your practice of ‘sealing’ the departed?” (see post #1). Because the thread is originally titled “Question for Mormons” and because the forum rules (forums.catholic-questions.org/forumdisplay.php?f=91) state that “Membership is open to all, Catholic and non-Catholic alike,” it seems reasonable to expect that Latter-day Saints would welcome the opportunity to answer the question, namely, to “explain [our] practice of ‘sealing’ the departed.”

The title of the thread was immediately changed (post #2) to “Marrying dead people.” That change moved the focus from asking about an LDS practice to asking about what Latter-day Saints do not practice. Latter-day Saints perform sealing ordinances in temples “for and on behalf of deceased persons,” persons married in life to one another only “until death do us part.” Latter-day Saints believe if a deceased persons accept such a “sealing,” their marrige would be a marriage “for time and for all eternity.” It is a practice that stems from a belief, not at all foreign to Roman Catholics, that the living can indeed perform acts of love for those who have died (Roman Catholics pray for the deceased, a perfectly acceptable and understandable Christian sentiment).
Really, the thread’s original title was “Marrying dead people” (hence the early references to zombies and scary movies). This title has been changed twice now by a moderator in an attempt to be more respectful. The first post reflects the latest thread title; posts #2 onward reflect the original one. 🙂
 
Great post friend Steven…may God richly bless you as you seek to explain the beliefs of your faith community.👍
 
Friend Steven, Thank you for the kind and gentle response to the rudeness and disparaging remarks made toward your faith tradition…I am reminded of the words of Jesus…“Return not evil for evil…but return good for evil.”👍

I am always amazed how rule # 1 is discarded “Messages posted to this board must be polite and free of personal attacks,”…especially by Catholic posters who I would think should know better.🤷

As I’ve said before, if remarks of a similar nature were made toward Catholic rites and rituals…warnings…“points”…and suspensions would be forth coming I would think…yet???
 
I wish I could remove the offensive posts. I totally agree that the OP did not think it through before titling the thread. And the conversation was about “marrying dead people,” and had no real relevance to LDS sealings. Such changes are only in the power of the moderators. I remember a thread that appeared a few days ago, “Is it a sin to poop?” It may have been a serious question, but it too was received in a humorous way.

We also have the right to express their amazement and humor at some of the most counter-Biblical practices and beliefs of Mormonism. We also have the right to point out LDS lies, racism, sexism, anti-Catholic teachings, intergenerational hatred, financial misdealings, and intrusion into family lives and the lives of individuals.

We Catholics have a great sense of humor. Yes, some Catholic children actually believe that priests and nuns are miraculously exempt from bodily functions. 😃 We can laugh. Can’t you?

Sometimes Catholics forget that returning offense for offense is not a Christian value.
Having said that, have you ever thought about how anti-Catholic much of Mormonism is? Have you ever thought about how persistent LDS are in coming here and trying to convert us?

Hve you ever thought about the hypersensitivity of many LDS who complain about everything they construe as offensive? :coffeeread::coffee::coffee: Sigh.
 
Friend Steven, Thank you for the kind and gentle response to the rudeness and disparaging remarks made toward your faith tradition…I am reminded of the words of Jesus…“Return not evil for evil…but return good for evil.”👍

I am always amazed how rule # 1 is discarded “Messages posted to this board must be polite and free of personal attacks,”…especially by Catholic posters who I would think should know better.🤷

As I’ve said before, if remarks of a similar nature were made toward Catholic rites and rituals…warnings…“points”…and suspensions would be forth coming I would think…yet???
Not everything said in humor is meant to be offensive. Sometimes, it is just meant to be humorous. If you want to see disparaging comments about Catholics, one need not go far…LDS boards would be a good start. This IS a Catholic Board and sometimes we DO try to have some good-natured fun. So much of these baords can be contentious and/or serious. Sometimes, laughing is good.
 
To StephenKent:
I think you might want to develop your sense of humor a bit.

The original title of this tread said something about “marrying dead people”. The initial comments were making fun of the thread title, and not the practice. (even I got that)

Also, did you happen to notice post #45, from Eric, the moderator, where he changed it? How about post #48, where the OP explained how it happened?

Evidently, that change wasn’t good enough, because another change was made by Eric at post #59. Evidently due to at least one individual’s request. (yours perhaps).

Again, humor was injected into the situation. (good thing we have a mod with a sense of humor). See #'s 60,63, and 65.

Again, I don’t see where any poster, including you was, or is being bashed in this thread. You have provided examples of another thread, so maybe that issue should be addressed in the thread where you feel it has happened. (this is what is commonly called a “diversion”)

Now, please explain to me how all of the proxy baptisms for thousands of Holocaust victims was a simple error. Please explain to be how the proxy baptism of Blessed John Paul II was a simple error.

Remember, John Paul II was an extremely well known figure world wide. He was known by both his Papal name and his birth name, Karol Józef Wojtyła. Remember, his death and funeral were broadcast live around the world. Both names were mentioned many many times.

I find it extremely hard to believe that the proxy work done for him was a simple error.

Doesn’t your church guidelines specify certain requirements, such as consent from a living family member, and a certain amount of time has to pass before that person is eligible to be baptized by proxy?

Clearly many people are ignoring these rules.
 
Not everything said in humor is meant to be offensive. Sometimes, it is just meant to be humorous. If you want to see disparaging comments about Catholics, one need not go far…LDS boards would be a good start. This IS a Catholic Board and sometimes we DO try to have some good-natured fun. So much of these baords can be contentious and/or serious. Sometimes, laughing is good.
Agreed, sometimes it is good to laugh…perhaps I lack humor…for I saw nothing humorous nor kind in many of the remarks…which for the most part were left unchallenged by posters and moderators alike.

If similar “humorous statements” were made concerning the eucharist or the rosary by a Mormon or a Friend…would they be “written off” as “humorous”?

Defending the remarks by stating…" If you want to see disparaging comments about Catholics, one need not go far…LDS boards would be a good start." doesn’t seem to be a good “defense” or embody the Spirit of Jesus found in his words…“do unto others…return not evil for evil…”

The “humor” was lost on me I’m afraid…🤷
 
The original title of the thread was “Marrying Dead People”, I let it go for a page or two and changed it to “Question for Mormons: Why do you Marry the departed?” which in turn, at the request of the author of the OP changed it to it’s current title.
If you feel the title is not accurate in your faith tradition, then I suggest you contact me and I will consider a third change.
If you feel you or your religion is being attacked, I suggest you contact me using the triangular box at the top of the post.
As for the humor, as near as I can tell it was not directed at any particular poster or even toward the Mormon church. If you disagree, follow the directions above and I will deal with it. **
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Now please stay on the topic.
 
The topic is Mormon_Cultists claim of evidence. Apparently he/she is just making stuff up since in subsequent visits and posts he has assiduously avoided backing up his false(?) claim with any of this evidence.
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zaffiroborant:
There is nothing that shows early Christians believed in marrying dead people.
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Mormon_Cultist:
There is surprising evidence that many early Christians did, in fact, believe and practise this. But would really deserve a thread all to itself.
I would like to see it.
 
I would think that those living when the millennium is established, those who have not yet died, would have that opportunity. Those who become ressurrected beings and who have had the appropriate sealings and Temple work done for them would.

Temple work would continue for those who have not been brought forth in the first resurrection…at least that is what I would assume from what I have read concerning Mormon thought…IF I understood it correctly.

There may be nuances in Mormon belief I have not thought of or missed all together as I am not an authority of Mormon belief in any way.🙂
That would be a moot point then because those that are not brought forth in the first resurrection are the wicked souls that will end up in the telestial kingdom which would make their temple work irrelevant since at that point there is no repentance.
 
Callvenus, I see that you are converting to Catholicism. Would you post your story please?
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I have seen one that goes back to Adam and Eve. It might have been a parody, but it was available on a genealogical website.
I’ve seen those. They usually hook up to European royalty, which use mythological medieval genealogies of royalty.
One of my TR-holding friends (on the way out) looked up my ancestors who were in the Nauvoo area beginning in 1837. Mormons had proxy-married them. I just laughed.
That is priceless.
 
What I find odd is that LDS will bash our infant baptisms because an infant cannot agree and knowingly accept the baptism.

Yet they will baptize dead people who also cannot agree or knowingly accept AND even if their families are NEVER aware and NEVER approve.

Same with marriage. They will marry people WHO HAVE NEVER AGREED TO BE MARRIED.

Is it just me who is horribly offended by that?

What is even worse…I took part in hundreds of baptisms for the dead, endowments for the dead AND sealings for the dead
 
What is even worse…I took part in hundreds of baptisms for the dead, endowments for the dead AND sealings for the dead
I as well. I am so grateful that I was able to be baptized and all that nastiness was washed from my soul. However, in reparation, I have offered many rosaries and will continue to do so for the conversion of souls, especially those who have been deceived by the lies of the LDS church.

I feel fortunate that I never went on a mission - I cannot imagine the guilt that would be on my conscience for those souls that found their way to the church through me. However, I still feel foolish when I look back and realized how much I gave to an organization that was a total lie. Now all that is required of me to give is my love to God, and my prayers. Oh, and my widow’s mite, which as an underemployed admin is about all I can afford. 🙂
 
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