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Don’t you Muslim women consider yourself lucky that the Islamic law is not the constitution of your nation?
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when Jacob awakes from his vision he was profoundly moved. You can see that something in his life has fundamentally changed. He used to take what he wanted for himself, now God becomes the One he lives for. This is Jacob’s conversion.“Surely the LORD is in this place, and I was not aware of it,” he exclaims.inJESUS;3579552 said:
After it, he put idolatry out of his household (Gen. 35:2-4). God appeared to him, changed his name to Israel, and reconfirmed the promises. Then God took Rachel, his second wife (Gen. 35:19), leaving only his first and true wife Leah.
So, following his conversion (from a life of self-dependance to a life of complete sumbission to God’s will) Jacob had but his one original wife. Jacob had repented. He lived no more in polygamy after his conversion.
the Bible mentions the problems with every case were polygamy is lived.The message is clear.
no Biblically she was not, she was still called Sarah’s servant …yet they had a son together and things were fractured, not because God asked him to , but because of Sarah’s mistake.
i will not try to convince you. The Bible is more than enough that whenever there is polygamy, there is jealousy, fraction, deceit, murders ecc.
Take this example : a group of a 100 soldiers have no women among them…yet they need to have sex. In this case, you give them some women in mutaa marriage as Muhammad did in the name of divine revelation. You will see it as something good from a human point of view…from a Biblical point of view, this is not marriage. So when you see good things from a human point of view, it does not mean it is the will of God. When Moses allowed divorce, Jesus said it is because of the hearshness of humans’ hearts, not because it is God’s will…so from a human perspective, divorce is an answer…it is not from God’s plan for marriage.
Likewise, when God joins a couple in marriage, God does not will jealousy, strife, deceits, and emotional problems. God does not need this to start a religion or to teach about marriage.
is it a personal interpretation or does it rely on some hadith? because i read of another interpretation of abrogation.
Never heard it.Don’t think it matters anyway.
you can read it in the sirah. He was her uncle, she used to run to him for spiritual answers, she took Muhammad for him to take his advice. Waraqa married them (sira). Make your own conclusion.
what do you call a woman whose husband was just killed and who is now in possession of the man who killed her husband? what do you call “right hand possessions” if not sex slaves?
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Not really. I mean, without Islamic law, my husband wouldn’t be forced to provide for me and my children. He might make me work. If I wanted to get a divorce in my state I would have to wait a whole year before being able to remarry legally. I am not ensured inheritance from my parents or husband.
Many of my rights as a Muslim women are not protected. Frankly, that is rather “unlucky.”
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Well people thought Joseph’s wife was an adulteress (I don’t mean to say that she was by the way, may Allah be pleased with her) and they accuse Eve of deceiving her husband causing sin to descend on all of mankind, no?
For me, the fact that he is righteous and able to provide for me and my children is more important than monogamy. I don’t feel like less of a wife if he has another wife, and I don’t define myself by being his wife either. I am my own person, as it were. I’m not going to tell you I want my husband sleeping with other women, but I do like some time to myself, and the fact that he is righteous to me is far more important than monogamous. Because while a righteous father can raise righteous children, an unrighteous father who spends more time with his children cannot do that.
So for me it’s a matter of priorities.They are now haraam. Drinking alcohol was once halal. And it is now haram. Why is it haraam? Because Allah has revealed through His Book and His Messenger that it is haraam.
Well, let me remind you of Abraham, who slept with his wife’s servant, who was a captive from Egypt. And Jacob, who slept with not just Rachel’s servant but Leah’s as well.
Were they sex slaves too? 
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God asked Joseph to marry her. No one questioned her virtue.What the Quran says is taken from an apocrypha in which the author tried to clean her from Jews’ accusation AFTER it became known Joseph is not Jesus’ father…yet the Quran quotes it as something that happened while she was married…no intelligent human will ask a married woman about her child, exactly why God asked Joseph to marry her, but the author of the Quran thinks otherwise.
the Bible is not against alcohol but against being drunk.
Beside, Allah did not forbid it before, who is to blame?
i’ll leave that to sunni v/s shia. My point is that it was halal but it does not mean, and it surely it does not mean that God ordered it but Muhammad because God does not change his standards in a fortnight, even if humans find it good for their sexual strives.
if you read about the war slaves, they are to be taken as wives before having sex with them, and they must mourn for one month before getting married again. Hagar and Srah and Abraham lived before the Mosaic law and Abraham did not “win” her because of a war.
sin is when you commit it intentionally. The point is the change in attitude and lifestyle. And the Bible is clear that prophets are not God…even your quran asks them to pray for forgiveness. And you call Adam’s sin a mistake? someone obeying satan becomes a mistake in Islam? did Moses blame Adam’s failure and humanity’s failure due to a “mistake”? at least God is clear enough that everyone sins and needs repentance. The Bible is full of prophets asking for forgiveness…it is islamic scholars who decided otherwise since it does not make sense to them that only Jesus is sinless.
no matter how one explains to yu, you repeat the same arguments…this does not give you any credit Planten. Understand that there is a difference between Jew and gentile. When you do, you will understand what we are talking about when we use Moses’ law and Christ’s Law…if you believe you are Jew, go get circumcised…if you are not, then why are you asking gentiles to become Jews in order to follow Jesus?
Planten, you do not understand what Son of God means after a thousand reply…am not surprised you won’t understand anything else…it takes time and patience though.
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the funny part of this belief is that men - a whole lot more than just muslim men - think that because women show their emotions that they are somehow ‘deficient’. Well, what do we see in all societies? The jails have a whole heck of a lot more men in them for doing what? Murdering, raping, beating, etc. Yes, we see women in jail for such things too and most of them are in there due to the fact that they were beatened for so long they turned on their aggressors.
In muslim societies, what do we see? Basically the same thing except that when they do it against infidels or even their own women - they don’t have to go to jail in most instances.
So, who is the more emotional one? Who are the ones in less control? And after reading the koran and hadiths - we see a prophet who was not only encouraging such lack of control, but practiced it himself. And he was a sexual pervert on top of it! With his dozen or so wives and an untold number of slaves - at least one of these being a child when he had her.
How many women have died throughout the ages because she didn’t bear a male child? And only to find out it is the man’s sperm that determines such a thing. How many women in the muslim countries have died terrible deaths because they were raped and the rapist wasn’t thoughtful enough to bring along some witnesses so she could use them against him?
With such things as the muslims in so many of these backward nations finding out the earth is round in just this century - just think how many women still are punished for not having male children?! And that stagnation being due to the stagnation that islam brings - the lack of education other than learning the koran.
Oh well, I could go on but I have to go.
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getting back to the original topic of this thread before I reverted back to Catholicism I explored Islam and seriously considered converting to it but after reading the Quran I decided against becoming Muslim. I didn’t know Jesus than even though I had been baptized Catholic and once I learned about about Jesus I reverted back to Catholicism. My question to the Muslim ladies on the board is what was so appealing for you about Islam and if you were Christian what is the main reason that you rejected Jesus as the son of God? after studying Islam myself I found that was something that I was just not willing to do so that’s why I’m so interested to hear your reasons for your attraction towards Islam?
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A good read to shed light on one woman’s experience in and out of Islam is Ayaan Hirsi Ali’s book, Infidel.
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Actually, there are some good books to read about women who chose Islam. A friend of mine has one that is a book of stories about women who chose Islam. I can’t remember what it’s called or who wrote it though, but if you want to PM me I can try to track it down for you.
Ayaan Hirsi Ali’s story, though traumatic as it may be, is certainly not the “norm” or “standard” for women in Islam.
I decided to embrace Islam a few years ago after reading the Qur’an. I loved the way the stories of the prophets were told in the Qur’an–the story of Joseph, so many stories about Moses and Abraham. They weren’t told from a historical point of view, but in such a way that it was easy to derive lessons from them to apply to my own life. I also found the fact that the Qur’an included legal verses to be appealing–inheritance, for example, is prescribed in this holy book, to make sure that nobody usurps the rights of other inheritors after a person’s death.
For me, reading the Qur’an was like reading the dry laws of Deuteronomy in the beautiful language of the Psalms–that most especially led me to believe that it was a book that certainly could be written by God, and the more I studied it, the more I believed that.
There is one convert, named Yvonne Ridley, who actually embraced Islam because of the verses in the Qur’an about women! That is what she found most appealing at first, as she looked at the verses about women and found them to ring true to upholding the rights of women.
And ultimately what did it for me, to convert, was really just one verse which simply tells Christians to not say three. I was a Christian at the time, and even though I mostly just accepted the Trinity, I could see how much division it caused among Christians who could not understand it, who could not explain it, who were forced to accept the “mystery” of it–and the Qur’an just says don’t say three, and that will be better for you. I had always addressed my prayers to God alone, and didn’t find it sensible that anyone else could hear them, or answer them.
So when I embraced Islam, it was merely an expression of the faith I always had, that there is no god but God. And Jesus, may the peace and blessings of God be upon him, was a noble messenger sent by God, preaching a message that I believed, the Gospel of forgiveness and righteousness. And that Islam was the same message, with a different messenger, calling people to the same righteous behavior with a very clear difference, the preservation of it for all time, and the completeness of it.
Simply, Islam answered every question I ever had about being a Christian. So I became a Muslim.
Ayaan Hirsi Ali’s story, though traumatic as it may be, is certainly not the “norm” or “standard” for women in Islam.
I decided to embrace Islam a few years ago after reading the Qur’an. I loved the way the stories of the prophets were told in the Qur’an–the story of Joseph, so many stories about Moses and Abraham. They weren’t told from a historical point of view, but in such a way that it was easy to derive lessons from them to apply to my own life. I also found the fact that the Qur’an included legal verses to be appealing–inheritance, for example, is prescribed in this holy book, to make sure that nobody usurps the rights of other inheritors after a person’s death.
For me, reading the Qur’an was like reading the dry laws of Deuteronomy in the beautiful language of the Psalms–that most especially led me to believe that it was a book that certainly could be written by God, and the more I studied it, the more I believed that.
There is one convert, named Yvonne Ridley, who actually embraced Islam because of the verses in the Qur’an about women! That is what she found most appealing at first, as she looked at the verses about women and found them to ring true to upholding the rights of women.
And ultimately what did it for me, to convert, was really just one verse which simply tells Christians to not say three. I was a Christian at the time, and even though I mostly just accepted the Trinity, I could see how much division it caused among Christians who could not understand it, who could not explain it, who were forced to accept the “mystery” of it–and the Qur’an just says don’t say three, and that will be better for you. I had always addressed my prayers to God alone, and didn’t find it sensible that anyone else could hear them, or answer them.
So when I embraced Islam, it was merely an expression of the faith I always had, that there is no god but God. And Jesus, may the peace and blessings of God be upon him, was a noble messenger sent by God, preaching a message that I believed, the Gospel of forgiveness and righteousness. And that Islam was the same message, with a different messenger, calling people to the same righteous behavior with a very clear difference, the preservation of it for all time, and the completeness of it.
Simply, Islam answered every question I ever had about being a Christian. So I became a Muslim.
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thank you for your suggestions and thank you for sharing your story.
Actually, there are some good books to read about women who chose Islam. A friend of mine has one that is a book of stories about women who chose Islam. I can’t remember what it’s called or who wrote it though, but if you want to PM me I can try to track it down for you.
Ayaan Hirsi Ali’s story, though traumatic as it may be, is certainly not the “norm” or “standard” for women in Islam.
I decided to embrace Islam a few years ago after reading the Qur’an. I loved the way the stories of the prophets were told in the Qur’an–the story of Joseph, so many stories about Moses and Abraham. They weren’t told from a historical point of view, but in such a way that it was easy to derive lessons from them to apply to my own life. I also found the fact that the Qur’an included legal verses to be appealing–inheritance, for example, is prescribed in this holy book, to make sure that nobody usurps the rights of other inheritors after a person’s death.
For me, reading the Qur’an was like reading the dry laws of Deuteronomy in the beautiful language of the Psalms–that most especially led me to believe that it was a book that certainly could be written by God, and the more I studied it, the more I believed that.
There is one convert, named Yvonne Ridley, who actually embraced Islam because of the verses in the Qur’an about women! That is what she found most appealing at first, as she looked at the verses about women and found them to ring true to upholding the rights of women.
And ultimately what did it for me, to convert, was really just one verse which simply tells Christians to not say three. I was a Christian at the time, and even though I mostly just accepted the Trinity, I could see how much division it caused among Christians who could not understand it, who could not explain it, who were forced to accept the “mystery” of it–and the Qur’an just says don’t say three, and that will be better for you. I had always addressed my prayers to God alone, and didn’t find it sensible that anyone else could hear them, or answer them.
So when I embraced Islam, it was merely an expression of the faith I always had, that there is no god but God. And Jesus, may the peace and blessings of God be upon him, was a noble messenger sent by God, preaching a message that I believed, the Gospel of forgiveness and righteousness. And that Islam was the same message, with a different messenger, calling people to the same righteous behavior with a very clear difference, the preservation of it for all time, and the completeness of it.
Simply, Islam answered every question I ever had about being a Christian. So I became a Muslim.
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Interesting thank you
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no doubt this thread will fire up again so who better to start if off than yours truly 
Ive read and asked so many people (esp women) what is the attraction to Islam, ive gotten many different answers, but i still dont understand it. Maybe its cause of the Catholic religion, its so perfect, why change.
Ive read and asked so many people (esp women) what is the attraction to Islam, ive gotten many different answers, but i still dont understand it. Maybe its cause of the Catholic religion, its so perfect, why change.
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