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Both the Muslim and Mormon faiths were started by men who had visions. The Bible indicates that evil spirit beings can present themselves as being messengers of God, and that we must test the spirits to see if they are of God.

My question:

Did Joseph Smith or Mohammud ever test the spirit beings they were in contact with, to see if they were who they claimed they were?
 
Chris LaRock:
Both the Muslim and Mormon faiths were started by men who had visions. The Bible indicates that evil spirit beings can present themselves as being messengers of God, and that we must test the spirits to see if they are of God.

My question:

Did Joseph Smith or Mohammud ever test the spirit beings they were in contact with, to see if they were who they claimed they were?
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To be fair to our Muslim and Mormon friends, I have to ask this: do you have any knowledge that any of the authors of Biblical texts “tested” the revelation given them? Did those who encountered angels explicitly test those spirits?
 
Kristina P.:
To be fair to our Muslim and Mormon friends, I have to ask this: do you have any knowledge that any of the authors of Biblical texts “tested” the revelation given them? Did those who encountered angels explicitly test those spirits?
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Kristina, you just commit tu quoque. 😃
 
Kristina P.:
To be fair to our Muslim and Mormon friends, I have to ask this: do you have any knowledge that any of the authors of Biblical texts “tested” the revelation given them? Did those who encountered angels explicitly test those spirits?
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No, that’s not a fair comparison. The writers of the books of the Bible did not sit down and consciously write “God’s own words”, or claim they were merely transcribing what God directly said to them. Centuries later, the Pope and bishops chose which books would constitute the Bible and declared that they are divinely inspired. The Pope’s and the bishops’ authority to do this came from the Apostles whom they had succeeded, and who had “tested” firsthand in the most thorough way the revelation given them by Jesus.
 
Cyber Knight:
Kristina, you just commit tu quoque. 😃
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True, true. But I wasn’t attempting to answer the question, merely trying to be fair. It seemed that the original poster was implying that Christianity is superior in this respect (not that I presume to know or judge the intentions of the OP), and I wanted to make sure he could support that before the thread was used as a means of bashing Mormonism and Islam.
 
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Petergee:
No, that’s not a fair comparison. The writers of the books of the Bible did not sit down and consciously write “God’s own words”, or claim they were merely transcribing what God directly said to them. Centuries later, the Pope and bishops chose which books would constitute the Bible and declared that they are divinely inspired. The Pope’s and the bishops’ authority to do this came from the Apostles whom they had succeeded, and who had “tested” firsthand in the most thorough way the revelation given them by Jesus.
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That was actually in the back of my mind as I wrote the question. However, setting aside for a moment the assumption of the authority of the Magisterium, that is an example of later Christians testing Scripture against their experience of God, not of the direct recipients of revelation testing that revelation. There are several times when authors of a particular book claim to be merely recording what they saw or heard in a vision, or received from God (even Paul does it), yet we have no enduring and explicit record that they tested it. That doesn’t mean they didn’t; it just means we have no record of it. Asking a Mormon or Muslim of today to know whether or not their supposed prophet tested something is asking them to know what they cannot know. We can only hope that they, like the Christians at the councils, test their scripture against what they know of the Truth.
 
Kristina P:
We can only hope that they, like the Christians at the councils, test their scripture against what they know of the Truth.
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Agree with you 👍
 
My intention wasn’t to ‘bash’ other religions. My intention was to see if Mohammad or Joseph smith tested the spirits, as it would be wise to do. I would even go as far to pose the same question to Catholics, with regard to visions of spirit beings claiming to be one of the saints or Mary.

Hopefully I can get some LDS or Muslims to reply this time…
 
to put it simply, Joseph Smith, Yes he did. For Mohammed I don’t know, but I am curious to find out.
 
Kristina P.:
True, true. But I wasn’t attempting to answer the question, merely trying to be fair. It seemed that the original poster was implying that Christianity is superior in this respect (not that I presume to know or judge the intentions of the OP), and I wanted to make sure he could support that before the thread was used as a means of bashing Mormonism and Islam.
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Why are people on this forum so touchy? It seems like I offend people no matter what I say on here. :confused:
 
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Chele:
to put it simply, Joseph Smith, Yes he did. For Mohammed I don’t know, but I am curious to find out.
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Could you refer me to the Mormon writings that indicate that Joseph Smith tested what he saw? He obviously saw something, afterall he was willing to suffer hardships and die for his beliefs. I’m just not convinced that what he saw was of God.
 
Well I fyou read through Doctrine and Covenants you can see many of the instances mentioned in which he had to test heavenly beings to see if it was true. (It happened numerous times)
 
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Chele:
Well I fyou read through Doctrine and Covenants you can see many of the instances mentioned in which he had to test heavenly beings to see if it was true. (It happened numerous times)
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Could you give some examples of how he tests them? I only have a copy of the book of mormon, but no other mormon books.
 
Chris LaRock:
My intention wasn’t to ‘bash’ other religions. My intention was to see if Mohammad or Joseph smith tested the spirits, as it would be wise to do. I would even go as far to pose the same question to Catholics, with regard to visions of spirit beings claiming to be one of the saints or Mary.

Hopefully I can get some LDS or Muslims to reply this time…
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Visions are private revelations and if they are declared worthy of belief it does not mean that we must believe them (revelation stopped when the last Apostle died). They are only declared worthy of belief if they do not contradict the living Magisterium.
 
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Chele:
Now here is a link to an online Doctrine and Covenants,
scriptures.lds.org/dc/contents
You can get the many other books in many formats from
lds.org or mormon.org
This is one telling Joseph Smith told of where Michael the archangel warned them off from the devil
scriptures.lds.org/dc/128/20#20

There are some more instances in D&C and probably more that even I haven’t had the chance to read yet.
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I was able to get a book of mormon free from the site. Are there other free books about mormonism? I’ll check, but I don’t think there are.
 
Well you may not be able to get a hard copy of our Doctrine and Covenants for Free or a hard copy our Study Bible for Free, The Book of Mormon is Free, and you can find all of our books word for word in electronic form for free. On our Websight lds.org
 
Thanks for the info. 👍

I would like to still pose two seperate questions:

Did Mohammud test the spirit beings that communicated with him to make sure they were legitimate messengers from God/Allah?

Did the Catholic individuals who reported visions of Mary and Saints test the spirit beings to see if they were who they had presented themselves as?

Again, this isn’t just me “bashing” other faiths. These are serious questions people must be asking so that they will not be mislead. We all want to have the truth, right? Testing the spirits is a vital way for us to filter out the garbage satan throws at us.

Again, if this topic offends you, please refrain from chewing my head off for asking the questions I’m asking.
 
Chris LaRock:
Did Joseph Smith or Mohammud ever test the spirit beings they were in contact with, to see if they were who they claimed they were?
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The “spirits” that communicated with Joseph Smith pass the test with flying colors. The test is in 1 John 4:2:

Hereby aknow ye the bSpirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the cflesh is of God:

–fool
 
mormon fool:
The “spirits” that communicated with Joseph Smith pass the test with flying colors. The test is in 1 John 4:2:

Hereby aknow ye the bSpirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the cflesh is of God:

–fool
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What about spirit beings that, although confess Christ came in the flesh, preach a message that seeks to add to scripture?
 
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