Question for Muslims

[livelife4god]

TexanKnight:
Texan Knight says this…

Nor are they in Muslim land. They are lsitening to leaders who tell them what to do.

thier leaders only repeat what their main leader (mohamed)tells them to do nothing else.or they would not be teaching the true faith islam teaches…or have they got it wrong?they should not teach what mohamed has commanded from allah?

 

[TexanKnight]

Texan Knight says this…

Nor are they in Muslim land. They are lsitening to leaders who tell them what to do.

thier leaders only repeat what their main leader (mohamed)tells them to do nothing else.or they would not be teaching the true faith islam teaches…or have they got it wrong?they should not teach what mohamed has commanded from allah?

Prove it

 

[Nine_Two]

Ah…you are referring to the Bible now, where God told David to kill and told Joshua to kill and told Moses to kill…I thought you were talking about the Koran

Make a strawman and avoid the argument.

Look if you can’t answer me without twisting my argument (and judging by your posts on Mormonism twisting arguments is something you excel at) you are better off not answering them.

If you hate your own religion so much that you’ll denigrate it in order to explain for violence in another religion, then perhaps you need to look at what you really believe, because the Koran calls Muslims to violence, the Bible does call for violence in set parts, but it is always at very specific historical points, never a general call to wipe out the unbelievers wherever they are.

As I said, Surah 9, and you don’t even have to go far before it calls for the deaths of unbelievers, or even People of the Book.

 

[Nine_Two]

OMG

This does not even deserve a reply

If you had read the original post about the riots you would actually understand it does.

The question was about religiously motivated riots, not riots in general.

 

[TexanKnight]

Make a strawman and avoid the argument.

Actually, that IS the argument. It is what I have said from my second post…we should not judge. Get the beam out of your own eye

Look if you can’t answer me without twisting my argument (and judging by your posts on Mormonism twisting arguments is something you excel at) you are better off not answering them.

lol…show me where I twist. Your problem is, you have caught in your wrongful judging and are not happy with the outcome. You want to paint the Koran as violent while ignoring the violence of the Bible. You want to paint all Muslims as radicals while ignoring that Christians have been just as bloody. Then, when it does not work out for you, you get personal. Its ok…I understand your frustration. But no need to get personal

If you hate your own religion so much that you’ll denigrate it in order to explain for violence in another religion, then perhaps you need to look at what you really believe, because the Koran calls Muslims to violence, the Bible does call for violence in set parts, but it is always at very specific historical points, never a general call to wipe out the unbelievers wherever they are.

I do not hate anyone or anything. I simply follow the teachings of Christ. and the calls for Biblical violence are just just tempered by history. “There is a time to kill…”. I simply am putting things in perspective. You want to hate. I want to understand and call for peace.

As I said, Surah 9, and you don’t even have to go far before it calls for the deaths of unbelievers, or even People of the Book.

You keep saying something says something…yet when asked proof, you keep being unable to prove. You say the Koran calls for killing…I say so does the Bible. You say the Muslim Allah is bloody, I say so is the God of the Old Testament. Be careful when judging.

 

[livelife4god]

TexanKnight:
You want to paint the Koran as violent while ignoring the violence of the Bible.

are you a jew or are you a christian? you follow the NEW TESTAMENT dont you?

then you follow Jesus Christ.what he taught shown us.he shown us no violence murder or hate or any other sin.

now moslems follow mohamed who did the lot in abundance even till he died.all the pretty verses you read or quote do not mean a thing,its all been abrogated,with other verses.you dont know the koran like you think you do…

Christians may have killed but Our lord has not told them to do any thing like this,only the opposite.

I simply follow the teachings of Christ. and the calls for Biblical violence are just just tempered by history. “There is a time to kill…”. I simply am putting things in perspective. You want to hate. I want to understand and call for peace.

if you follow Christ stop dragging Christians down with old testament readings…
why do people want to hate when they wont be fooled by what they know and see and feel?again islamaphobe stick…

You keep saying something says something…yet when asked proof, you keep being unable to prove. You say the Koran calls for killing…I say so does the Bible. You say the Muslim Allah is bloody, I say so is the God of the Old Testament. Be careful when judging.

you know what the koran says and it does call for killings… GIVE ME PROOF OF JESUS CALLING FOR KILLINGS.you are a christian.show me what your leader has said about killing people,

allah must be more than bloody have you read what mohamed has said what messages he has had from him,and moslems must act on it.

now i know you are a appeaser.thats fine,but dont tell me what is and what isnt when i know first hand about the islam/sharia.

you can believe what you want ,that is your right.but so can others…

btw, why do you ask for proof of things when you have read the koran?

 

[Eric_Hilbert]

General Warning
Tone Down the Rhetoric

 

[livelife4god]

i cannot put another post up.without saying what i believe to be true.if i do so i will be seen as uncharitable,or offensive.

im out on this thread but i will read it as it takes its course…

to people i might or have offended,that was not my intent…

 

[muslims]

I am amuslim and what I tell you brothers is exactly what the 2 americans have said before me /I am muslim from algeria and Ian not agree with this manner and to confirm you can listen what the scientists of muslims have said about this manner of protsts :it not the right manner and we are sorry ; I love mohamed my prophet

 

[MartinJordan]

There are similar meesages. I would give you specific lines but I do hate taking things out of context as many who make negative arguments do. Lets face it we can pull lines out of the bible that contradict the message of Christ as well as so many who attack our faith like to do. What I do recomend is picking up a copy of the Koran and read thru it - a line here or there out of context does not do any religious text justice. I like to be well informed and read, ignorance serves no one well.

Thanks. But if you can lead me to quotes by Jesus in the Koran (as I am aware he was a miracle healer as well as prophet), that state similar words by Jesus in the Bible, I would be most grateful.

MJ

 

[Bezant]

Currently, protests are taking place around the world by Muslims regarding a film that they believe mocks their faith.

What I would like to know from Muslims is why they behave like this? Is this a knee jerk reaction? Are then any teachings in Islam that say Muslims should respond in this way? Why do these protesters attack US diplomatic missions? It’s not the US government that made this film.

To be clear on the matter I am not someone who supports attacks on Islam or any other faith. I am a Christian but I respect other faiths. I am a Catholic but I respect other Christian communities.

It is far from uncommon for Christians and their institutions to come under attack in Muslim countries. I wondered why some Muslims have double standards: they feel it is acceptable to attack other faiths but no one must say anything contrary regarding Islam.

As I stated above, I don’t agree with attacks on Islam but should Muslims stage violent protests in which precious lives have been lost in response to a film?

If you don’t understand my post - please ask questions to clarify anything. I hope my questions generate honest and thoughtful answers. There’s enough anger and bitterness out there for this post to begin a slanging match.

As other posters have probably noted before it’s very important to look at the protests in Muslim and Arab countries in perspective. Anti-Muslim material is everywhere and from what I understand this film came randomly out of the woodwork. If you’ve been keeping up with the post-revolutionary events and factions in Arab countries, and consider the fact that the scale of these protests is relatively unimpressive, then we’re not really talking about a reaction to a film but a reaction to everything in the last 40 years or so in the Middle East up to today. Personally, I’m not surprised that this is happening.

 

[XiWang717]

I am amuslim and what I tell you brothers is exactly what the 2 americans have said before me /I am muslim from algeria and Ian not agree with this manner and to confirm you can listen what the scientists of muslims have said about this manner of protsts :it not the right manner and we are sorry ; I love mohamed my prophet

In truth, I think such a film was made in fairly poor taste, considering the extremely tense situation in the Middle East presently. I will say, however, that regardless of wherever we may reside, we should all possess the right to make movies about nearly anything we desire, and we also possess the right to react however we choose. However, I will also say that almost anything can be deemed “offensive”, and that many films and shows being outright sacrilegious to Christianity have been produced in the West, yet to the best of my knowledge such has elicited few violent reactions from the populace. The Islamic nations must understand that just because most of them live under sharia law, it does not mean that they can expect every other nation in the world to respect their prophet and their faith, great though both may be.

 

[april32010]

Sports events, LA riots, you don’t need to got back very far into history.

these were religious in nature ?

 

[Mystophilus]

Joshua is, but it doesn’t include the command that one should do it under normal circumstances. The other three you mention are generally about the Israeli’s being killed by their neighbors.
Depiction of war isn’t the same as a command to kill.

In both the Jewish and the Muslim cases, the text refers to a particular historical moment. The 9th sura of the Qu’ran is about the newly-formed Muslim community fighting for its existence against powerful neighbours in the mid C7th. Joshua, Judges, and the books of Kings (incl 1&2 Sam) and Chronicles are about the Hebrew nation fighting their way into Palestine, and then fighting to survive there.

Neither text refers to the C21st world, but both can be snatched out of context by extremists who want to claim justification for their atrocities.

 

[Mystophilus]

And this claim that it is a small minority is hogwash. Egypt voted in the Muslim Brotherhood into power. That is by definition a majority.

Egypt voted the Muslim Brotherhood into power after the Muslim Brotherhood renounced violence and earnt the condemnation of Al Qaeda for doing so.

Of course, that all seems to have worked out much the same as the IRA giving up their guns: the moderates do so, the leaders get new jobs as politicians, and the radicals go on plotting.

 

[muslims]

this is for MARTINJORDAN
OUR PROPHET MOHAMED SAID / everyone of you does not believe until he loves for his brother EXACTLY what he loves for himself . peace be Upon you prophet of the GOD

 

[InJesusItrust]

I am amuslim and what I tell you brothers is exactly what the 2 americans have said before me /I am muslim from algeria and Ian not agree with this manner and to confirm you can listen what the scientists of muslims have said about this manner of protsts :it not the right manner and we are sorry ; I love mohamed my prophet

I welcome you to this forum and am glad to have your voice. I love Jesus.

 

[Miriam1947]

Currently, protests are taking place around the world by Muslims regarding a film that they believe mocks their faith.

What I would like to know from Muslims is why they behave like this? Is this a knee jerk reaction? Are then any teachings in Islam that say Muslims should respond in this way? Why do these protesters attack US diplomatic missions? It’s not the US government that made this film.

To be clear on the matter I am not someone who supports attacks on Islam or any other faith. I am a Christian but I respect other faiths. I am a Catholic but I respect other Christian communities.

It is far from uncommon for Christians and their institutions to come under attack in Muslim countries. I wondered why some Muslims have double standards: they feel it is acceptable to attack other faiths but no one must say anything contrary regarding Islam.

As I stated above, I don’t agree with attacks on Islam but should Muslims stage violent protests in which precious lives have been lost in response to a film?

If you don’t understand my post - please ask questions to clarify anything. I hope my questions generate honest and thoughtful answers. There’s enough anger and bitterness out there for this post to begin a slanging match.

Remember the date involved with the murder of our Ambassador there. September 11, 2012. That is an important anniversary and there seems to have been some warning before the actions took place.

The movie is being used as an excuse by our government because the ones in charge need to blame someone rather than their own incompetence. There were radical Muslims involved and now there is some proof that it is Al-Qaeda led.

After all those protesters had rocket launchers and most of the protests throughout the Middle East do not involve those weapons.

 

[jakasaki]

this is for MARTINJORDAN
OUR PROPHET MOHAMED SAID / everyone of you does not believe until he loves for his brother EXACTLY what he loves for himself . peace be Upon you prophet of the GOD

Utilizing Crayola colored type fonts and adding the large font reminds me of an old muslim poster by the name of Planten.

Please cite the source of this statement above from your prophet.

Also, when Islam uses the term “brother” it means a muslim only.

 

[meedo]

What I would like to know from Muslims is why they behave like this? Is this a knee jerk reaction? Are then any teachings in Islam that say Muslims should respond in this way? Why do these protesters attack US diplomatic missions? It’s not the US government that made this film.

We don’t behave like this. Some of us do . The people behind the attacks on Embassies are divided into 3 types. 1- Radicals 2- Thugs who are hired 3- Uneducated illiterate people who don’t understand the world.

No There are no teachings in Islam that says that we should respond this way . They attack US diplomatic missions because they are simply idiots. We have lots of them, with no morals or reason. I know it is not the US government that made the film. The film was done by an evangelical Egyptian Christian. Who happens to reside in the US. He knew there is a population that is easily provoked and he succeeded. He doesn’t care about what happens to the world after he makes his film. He Likes to see conflict erupt.

To be clear on the matter I am not someone who supports attacks on Islam or any other faith. I am a Christian but I respect other faiths. I am a Catholic but I respect other Christian communities.

Thank you

It is far from uncommon for Christians and their institutions to come under attack in Muslim countries. I wondered why some Muslims have double standards: they feel it is acceptable to attack other faiths but no one must say anything contrary regarding Islam.

You are free to criticize Islam. 1+ Billion muslims can’t control if some idiots decide to do something. Muslims are victims of these idiots as well. The Egyptians who demonstrated infront of the US embassy were 300. Egypt is 90 Million. I would say we have more than 300 retards in Egypt.

As I stated above, I don’t agree with attacks on Islam but should Muslims stage violent protests in which precious lives have been lost in response to a film?

No they shouldn’t. But some do any way . What can i do ?!

If you don’t understand my post - please ask questions to clarify anything. I hope my questions generate honest and thoughtful answers. There’s enough anger and bitterness out there for this post to begin a slanging match.

I understand your post. One is embarrassed that Muslims actually fell in this guy’s trap. But you have to know that Muslims apologized as well. Don’t forget that Al Qaeda kills Muslims. We are victim if idiocy and radicalism together, you are free to paint Islam or Muslims with the brush of these protesters. But what would this help ? Think about it .

All the best