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OUR PROPHET MOHAMED SAID / everyone of you does not believe until he loves for his brother EXACTLY what he loves for himself . peace be Upon you prophet of the GOD
My friend, the best messages are sent in calmness . Caps are seen as ‘‘yelling’’ Hope you know that.
 
If Islamists believe Jesus was a great prophet I would suppose they also believe in that Jesus said “love one another as I have loved you” and “love your neighbor as yourself”. Is there any Sura conveying same message?

MJ
to know our prophet said about the neighbor :
who was believer in the GOD and in the last day ,so he have to do good for his neighbor
and said too :
who slept full belly and his neighbor is hungry ,so he is not a muslim

and he said also :
Gabriel still advice me doing good with the neighbor until I thought that he (my neighbor ) will get my legacy (after my death)

if that is not enough for you let me tell you a famous sayings about the (name removed by moderator)ortance the neighbor in our society:
when you search for a house to live in choose the neighbor before the house ,
I hope that you Acknowledge now
and more: one jewish was hurt our prophet (pbuh) by throwing the dumps near the door of prophet’s home everyday ,despite our prophet never did wrong with him ,by contrast the prophet(pbuh) was so patient until one day the jewish neighbor got ill ,when our prophet did not find the daily dumps near the door,so can you imagine what he did : he ask about his jewish neighbor who was throwing dumps
and more ,when he listen that his neighbor is ill ,you can not imagine at all ,he (the prophet the FORGIVER WENT TO VISIT HIS NEIGHBOR ,
directly the jewish neighbor converted to islam because of the good ethics of our prophet MOHAMED ( p,b,u,you ) ( one of them here was PATIENCE ON OTHERS’S HURTING AND FORGIVENESS THEM )
some one with these high ethics does not deserve our love ?
does not deserve people respect ?
peace be upon him and all prophets before him
we love them all and respect them all
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          they are all messengers from THE GOD   ;so they must be good men because our GOD choose them to being prophets from him, and our GOD did not choose the worst men to being prophets  from him, this is our doctrine   not LIKE YOU WHO accuse some of them that they comitting adultry  (like the prophet DAVID -p,b,u,h) I listened that from a priest by myself ,what minds you have !!!!!!!!!!!!:confused:
sorry for my english here you will understand good
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From the Quran and the Hadith

"They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks."

“I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them

“So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them.”

“And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!

“And when We wish to destroy a town, We send Our commandment to the people of it who lead easy lives, but they transgress therein; thus the word proves true against it, so We destroy it with utter destruction.”

Allah’s Apostle said, "The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. “O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him.

The Messenger of Allah said: I have been commanded to fight against people so long as they do not declare that there is no god but Allah."

“Killing Unbelievers is a small matter to us”
 
Utilizing Crayola colored type fonts and adding the large font reminds me of an old muslim poster by the name of Planten.

Please cite the source of this statement above from your prophet.

Also, when Islam uses the term “brother” it means a muslim only.
your order from my eyes
get this for more
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Currently, protests are taking place around the world by Muslims regarding a film that they believe mocks their faith.
It really is a small minority of Muslims that are acting out. But Christians had problems with the movie, “The Last Temptation of Christ” and fire bombed movie theaters and threatened movie goers. So it is not unknown for Christians to act this way also.
 
It really is a small minority of Muslims that are acting out. But Christians had problems with the movie, “The Last Temptation of Christ” and fire bombed movie theaters and threatened movie goers. So it is not unknown for Christians to act this way also.
Thats quite a statement, you have facts to back that up? With Sources?
 
Sports events, LA riots, you don’t need to got back very far into history.
What religion were they followers of? What religious event/idea/film etc were they protesting?

I don’t think you realize it, but you also implicitly admitted the fact that there aren’t other religious riots comparable to the ongoing, repetitive, and violent riots/attacks that Muslims perpetrate, almost at the drop of a hat.
 
It really is a small minority of Muslims that are acting out. But Christians had problems with the movie, “The Last Temptation of Christ” and fire bombed movie theaters and threatened movie goers. So it is not unknown for Christians to act this way also.
So you are HONESTLY comparing this event and the reaction of Christians to it, to the almost daily riots/attacks from Muslims? That is such a reach.

*Attack on Saint Michel theater, ParisOn October 22, 1988, a French Christian fundamentalist group launched Molotov cocktails inside the Parisian Saint Michel movie theater while it was showing the film. This attack injured thirteen people, four of whom were severely burned.[8][9] The Saint Michel theater was heavily damaged,[9] and reopened 3 years later after restoration. Following the attack, a representative of the film’s distributor, United International Pictures, said, “The opponents of the film have largely won. They have massacred the film’s success, and they have scared the public.” Jack Lang, France’s Minister of Culture, went to the St.-Michel theater after the fire, and said, “Freedom of speech is threatened, and we must not be intimidated by such acts.”[9] The Archbishop of Paris, Jean-Marie Cardinal Lustiger, said “One doesn’t have the right to shock the sensibilities of millions of people for whom Jesus is more important than their father or mother.”[9] After the fire he condemned the attack, saying, "You don’t behave as Christians but as enemies of Christ. From the Christian point of view, one doesn’t defend Christ with arms. Christ himself forbade it."9] The leader of Christian Solidarity, a Roman Catholic group that had promised to stop the film from being shown, said, “We will not hesitate to go to prison if it is necessary.”[9]

The attack was subsequently blamed on a Christian fundamentalist group linked to Bernard Antony, a representative of the far-right National Front to the European Parliament in Strasbourg, and the excommunicated followers of Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre.[8] Lefebvre had been excommunicated from the Catholic Church on July 2, 1988. Similar attacks against theatres included graffiti, setting off tear-gas canisters and stink bombs, and assaulting filmgoers.[8] At least nine people believed to be members of the Catholic fundamentalist group were arrested.[8] Rene Remond, a historian, said of the Catholic far-right, “It is the toughest component of the National Front and it is motivated more by religion than by politics. It has a coherent political philosophy that has not changed for 200 years: it is the rejection of the revolution, of the republic and of modernism.”[8]*
 
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          they are all messengers from THE GOD   ;so they must be good men because our GOD choose them to being prophets from him, and our GOD did not choose the worst men to being prophets  from him, this is our doctrine   not LIKE YOU WHO accuse some of them that they comitting adultry  (like the prophet DAVID -p,b,u,h) I listened that from a priest by myself ,what minds you have !!!!!!!!!!!!:confused:
We don’t accuse David for his behavior because he eventually repented. The book of Psalms reveal how badly he felt for insulting his and our most gracious God, forgiving and slow to anger. That is what God wants from us Repentance. Mind you David is massively important for Christians and Jews alike.

MJ
 
To be clear on the matter I am not someone who supports attacks on Islam or any other faith. I am a Christian but I respect other faiths. I am a Catholic but I respect other Christian communities.

It is far from uncommon for Christians and their institutions to come under attack in Muslim countries. I wondered why some Muslims have double standards: they feel it is acceptable to attack other faiths but no one must say anything contrary regarding Islam.

As I stated above, I don’t agree with attacks on Islam but should Muslims stage violent protests in which precious lives have been lost in response to a film?
Now this is the part I don’t really get in this gigantic football match going on whenever someone raises a thread like this on a Christian website (such as this one) or its opposite (on a Muslim website, of which I frequent several).

Namely - aren’t we all confusing each others situations?

The type of religious toleration your talking about came in no small part due to the wars of religion that Christianity had to undergo since the Protestant Reformation. Your spiritual ancestors if you will, had to go through a few hundred years of warfare till they realized “Oh…maybe this isn’t exactly going to work out the way we thought it would…better try something else.”

And that was just only between certain Protestant groups. How often have you Catholics been dealt the Persecution card from the Protestant sects (all the way to electing JFK no less!!)? How often have Catholics and Protestants been serving that up to those of the Jewish faith?

The point i’m trying to make is that your religions all developed a long a specific historical trajectory along with what amounts to changes in your civilizations political system.

ie: What it means to be a citizen. What rights does a citizen have. etc. etc.

Our collective experience, although shared by some Muslims, isn’t the same trajectory that the Middle East and Islam have developed on.

Throw on top of this the fact that the whole region has been a victim of power politics for more than a century and really doesn’t have much hope of pulling itself out of the spiral its currently in…
 
Nor do most Muslims. Again, these are radicals. Who can explain why Muslim radicals do what they do…or my radical protestants were part of KKK, or why radical Catholics were part of the Inquisition, etc etc.
I think you need to study the Inquisition because it seems you have bought into the secular/muslim interpretation of Inquisition.
 
Maybe its the media stirring the pot, but have any of the moderate, “proper” Muslims come out and denounced this publically?

Its like when some idiot shoots an abortionist, every Pro-Life organisation worth their salt issues denouncements. So far I haven’t seen this from the Muslim community.

I know Muslims, quite a few actually, and while they are “good” people in that they don’t go around publically calling for beheadings or supporting 9/11, they always tend to skirt around the issue, not out and out denying it, but not out and out supporting it.

Of course, when there’s close to a billion Muslims, I’m obviously operating with a teensy number. Maybe some high ranked Muslim clerics have denounced it and if they have, the media are doing a lot of people, including Islam, a diservice by not reporting that.
 
Generalized causes-

-education level
-economic level
-inability to understand the West and Christianity and/or faulty understanding
-West a “legitimate target” for outrage in an otherwise oppressive society
-conspiracy theory friendly society
-the social (non-religous) aspects of Islam (common identity, source of self-worth, political and social aspects within it, etc)
-radical believers and non-believers (those who use Islam to further secular goals)
-legitimate outrage

It has less to do with Islam as the primary cause and more to do with the above.
*We pray daily for the protection of all Christians throughout the world who are being persecuted and killed and their Churches burned. To name a few countries: Egypt, Sudan, Other North African Churches, Nigeria, Iran, Iraq, Afganhistan, Palistine, Syria, Saudi Arabia, Indonesia, Cambodia, and so on. The list is long indeed. There is also lack of reciprocity - they will not allow the building of Churches. *
 
Maybe its the media stirring the pot, but have any of the moderate, “proper” Muslims come out and denounced this publically?
scpr.org/news/2012/09/14/34291/local-christian-copt-and-muslim-egyptians-denounce/

goldcoast.com.au/article/2012/09/17/438278_gold-coast-news.html

nbclosangeles.com/video/#!/on-air/as-seen-on/SoCal-Muslims-Denounce-Violence–Pray-for-Peace/169860206

There was also a counter-demonstration within Libya a day after the death of Chris Stevens against the use of violence and his death.

And you can find many more condemnations of the event in the news - just google around - i’ve even come up with some French and German ones with the imams and the local communities in those countries soundly condemning what has occurred.

Although, sadly i think its pointless.

Showing their disdain for what has occurred will not stop those who committed such acts from doing them again.

Nor will it alleviate the suspicions of those in the West.
 
We don’t accuse David for his behavior because he eventually repented. The book of Psalms reveal how badly he felt for insulting his and our most gracious God, forgiving and slow to anger. That is what God wants from us Repentance. Mind you David is massively important for Christians and Jews alike.

MJ
the behavior of adultery is not a small sin for that, the prophets because they are at first and in last are human beings so they do wrong sometimes but not the bigger mistakes as far as this ugly behaviour for that they are the choosen ones
so DAVID is innocent from the holy book QORAN
do not accuse him by a simple book Psalms
and remember everyday when qoran seems unclear a little ,you have the right ,for that I guide you to fixe your decision about it
get confirm here by MIRACLES OF QURAN IN SCIENCE
eajaz.org/eajaz/index.php?lang=en
let’s start by ants ability to talking ,and you know that there is a sura of ants in Quran go and read it you will read about the ant who has talked with SOLOMONE SON OF DAVID pbu them -
get this discover ( for you not for us because we believe in quran)

youtube.com/redirect?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DAkZ56u3ZUk8&session_token=9Y13DrkJ9fWS42for76Gol_2Dr98MTM0ODAwMDg1MkAxMzQ3OTE0NDUy

is the quran still just some stories of old people
this claim has been told before you from unbelievers ,
why you can not aknowledge or you want be the last one ,
it is between your hands take it or leave it
youtube.com/watch?v=QVOf1s44Ajc&feature=related
youtube.com/watch?v=DW_cJRMSgTE&feature=related
youtube.com/watch?v=afvvUG1JUdo&feature=related
for discovering more meracles fixed by science of course here
elnaggarzr.com/en/index.php;);););;););))

youtube.com/watch?v=plscQ5wcZRI&feature=related
 
the behavior of adultery is not a small sin for that, the prophets because they are at first and in last are human beings so they do wrong sometimes but not the bigger mistakes as far as this ugly behaviour for that they are the choosen ones
so DAVID is innocent from the holy book QORAN
do not accuse him by a simple book Psalms
and remember everyday when qoran seems unclear a little ,you have the right ,for that I guide you to fixe your decision about it
get confirm here by MIRACLES OF QURAN IN SCIENCE
eajaz.org/eajaz/index.php?lang=en
let’s start by ants ability to talking ,and you know that there is a sura of ants in Quran go and read it you will read about the ant who has talked with SOLOMONE SON OF DAVID pbu them -
get this discover ( for you not for us because we believe in quran)

youtube.com/redirect?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DAkZ56u3ZUk8&session_token=9Y13DrkJ9fWS42for76Gol_2Dr98MTM0ODAwMDg1MkAxMzQ3OTE0NDUy

is the quran still just some stories of old people
this claim has been told before you from unbelievers ,
why you can not aknowledge or you want be the last one ,
it is between your hands take it or leave it
youtube.com/watch?v=QVOf1s44Ajc&feature=related
youtube.com/watch?v=DW_cJRMSgTE&feature=related
youtube.com/watch?v=afvvUG1JUdo&feature=related
for discovering more meracles fixed by science of course here
elnaggarzr.com/en/index.php;);););;););))

youtube.com/watch?v=plscQ5wcZRI&feature=related
My friend, I lived in a Muslim country before, and have plenty of Muslim friends even today. I am quite aware of all the above.

It would benefit you to research Christianity first.

Also what is MOST important is to Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind’; and, 'Love your neighbor as yourself."

Science cannot teach you to love God.

MJ
 
There are an awful lot of Muslims, more than a billion, and a merely average ratio of radicals thus means a LOT of radicals. Further, it is the radicals who make the best TV footage, and so the Wahhabi militants become the media face of Islam, while Westboro Baptist become the media face of Christianity.

I have some Shi’ite friends who rather idealistically say that the radicals just need more education, but I expect that fundamentalism is always going to be popular because it is cognitively easier.
1% of 1,000,000,000 is 10,000,000… A half of a percent is still 5,000,000. This simple equation might help to explain the large crowds. I don’t know how many are radicals, but with a starting number like a billion, it doesn’t take a large percentage to produce large crowds.
 
My friend, I lived in a Muslim country before, and have plenty of Muslim friends even today. I am quite aware of all the above.

It would benefit you to research Christianity first.

Also what is MOST important is to Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind’; and, 'Love your neighbor as yourself."

Science cannot teach you to love God.

MJ
so ;you read quran and believe in whole miracles inside and can not aknowledge that this book is from the god indeed; or may be you believe in some parts and disbelieve in other parts ,
in any way this is your way but about my informations about Christianity I found that your book has been written after the JESUS era 500 years ago
and there are a lots of contradictions between them bycontrast we have just one full of realistic miracles to cut the way for doubts ,and regardless that ,tell me if you was in MOSES era I think you fellow his book TORAH ;and imagine that you still in life until coming of JESUS ,meanewhile you convert to the new message Christianity and his new book GOSPEL ,don’t you think so?,NOW because mohamed is the last one we must fellow the last one and being his Ommah ,is that not logic for you ?
IF JESUS was the last one ,so I fellow him in whole my life but you believe like me that MOHAMED is the last one and the quran proofs this reality by miracles ,so I can not understand why you are opinionated …read my thread again and again if you find anything illogical
 
so ;you read quran and believe in whole miracles inside and can not aknowledge that this book is from the god indeed; or may be you believe in some parts and disbelieve in other parts ,
in any way this is your way but about my informations about Christianity I found that your book has been written after the JESUS era 500 years ago
and there are a lots of contradictions between them bycontrast we have just one full of realistic miracles to cut the way for doubts ,and regardless that ,tell me if you was in MOSES era I think you fellow his book TORAH ;and imagine that you still in life until coming of JESUS ,meanewhile you convert to the new message Christianity and his new book GOSPEL ,don’t you think so?,NOW because mohamed is the last one we must fellow the last one and being his Ommah ,is that not logic for you ?
IF JESUS was the last one ,so I fellow him in whole my life but you believe like me that MOHAMED is the last one and the quran proofs this reality by miracles ,so I can not understand why you are opinionated …read my thread again and again if you find anything illogical
Whatever translation you are using is not working.
 
so ;you read quran and believe in whole miracles inside and can not aknowledge that this book is from the god indeed; or may be you believe in some parts and disbelieve in other parts ,
in any way this is your way but about my informations about Christianity I found that your book has been written after the JESUS era 500 years ago
and there are a lots of contradictions between them bycontrast we have just one full of realistic miracles to cut the way for doubts ,and regardless that ,tell me if you was in MOSES era I think you fellow his book TORAH ;and imagine that you still in life until coming of JESUS ,meanewhile you convert to the new message Christianity and his new book GOSPEL ,don’t you think so?,NOW because mohamed is the last one we must fellow the last one and being his Ommah ,is that not logic for you ?
IF JESUS was the last one ,so I fellow him in whole my life but you believe like me that MOHAMED is the last one and the quran proofs this reality by miracles ,so I can not understand why you are opinionated …read my thread again and again if you find anything illogical
Jesus is God or Allah as you call God. Mohamed is not. Nor do I consider him a prophet of God. He may have had visions but that does mean they were from God.

And when I look around the world I do not see love from Islam. Perhaps those Muslims who do not follow the fundamentalist beliefs are more what I can understand but the ones I see who hate and kill? How can that be from God?
 
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