Question for non-Catholics

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Jdawg43rd said:
Im not an expert but so many questions in my confusion of which denomination is correct in there teaching. The fact that in the 1500’s after the catholic church was disagreed with by Martin Luther different versions and rituals have emerged based on the life of Christ and his offering of eternal life. How can “prodastants” ignore the history kept by the catholic church for 1500 years. Especially in the case of Mary Being ever virgin?
I’ve recently asked myself this question and I’d ask any Minister Pastor Priest or otherwise to ask themselves. If the Angel of the lord instructed you to do the deed of god the fathers will would you after the birth of Jesus feel right about having more children with Mary? And Mary you? In the divine presents of the Lord Jesus
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Mystophilus said:
That is not entirely true: in various Protestant circles, faith is placed in denominational tradition, historical Christian teaching, or even modern preachers, theologians, seminaries, or the latest Great Christian Author™. That, like Catholics placing their faith in the Magisterium, gives people an authority (or authorities) to whom they can look for guidance.

It works differently for different people. Some of us, of course, do not place any such faith in anyone other than God, and prefer not to.
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That is true…👍🙂
 
joe371 said:
Why are you happier? Why not stick with the word catholic?
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Because we don’t like anything that sounds too “Catholic”. That’s why we switched it out for “Christian”. We also call it “Divine Service” not “Mass”.
 
House_Harkonnen said:
Because we don’t like anything that sounds too “Catholic”. That’s why we switched it out for “Christian”. We also call it “Divine Service” not “Mass”.
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I was just curious cause you said: The One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church is not a denomination, all Christians are part of it - which is why I wondered why you try to steer clear of the word…🤷
 
cheezey said:
‘We believe in one holy catholic and apostolic Church…’

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Me too. We simply choose to profess “Christian” instead of “catholic”. It prevents some confusion, and the other way just sounds too Catholic.
 
joe371 said:
I was just curious cause you said: The One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church is not a denomination, all Christians are part of it - which is why I wondered why you try to steer clear of the word…🤷
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It’s more commercial.
 
joe371 said:
I was just curious cause you said: The One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church is not a denomination, all Christians are part of it - which is why I wondered why you try to steer clear of the word…🤷
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I steer clear of it at church. I use it freely here.
 
House_Harkonnen said:
Because we don’t like anything that sounds too “Catholic”. That’s why we switched it out for “Christian”. We also call it “Divine Service” not “Mass”.
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Ok, but why? What does it mean to “sound too Catholic” and why is that so objectionable?
joe371 said:
You claim to belong to the catholic church but are ashamed to use the word catholic, at church…:eek:
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It is truly a mystery.
 
Mystophilus said:
Um, Filioque?
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Just curious, on a side note. the holy spirit proceeds from the father alone as opposed to the father and the son- right? A I misinterpreting these passages"

Scripture:

Then he (Jesus) breathed on them and said, "Receive the Holy Spirit.

Because you are his sons, God sent the Spirit of his Son into our hearts, the Spirit who calls out…
 
joe371 said:
Just curious, on a side note. the holy spirit proceeds from the father alone as opposed to the father and the son- right? A I misinterpreting these passages"

Scripture:

Then he (Jesus) breathed on them and said, "Receive the Holy Spirit.

Because you are his sons, God sent the Spirit of his Son into our hearts, the Spirit who calls out…
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The issue around the Filioque is primarily ecclesiological, not theological: it was less about what was said than about Rome assuming the right of saying it unilaterally.
 
Mystophilus said:
The issue around the Filioque is primarily ecclesiological, not theological: it was less about what was said than about Rome assuming the right of saying it unilaterally.
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Ah, OK. I did not know that. That’s good news…:)👍
 
Miriam1947 said:
I printed this for my customers and give them when they purchase.
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Hi Miriam,

From the Augsburg Confession:
*Also they teach that one holy Church is to continue forever. The Church is the congregation of saints, in which the Gospel is rightly taught and the Sacraments are rightly administered.
*

Lutherans recognize only one Church, the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church, which we confess in the Creed… Luther didn’t start a new church. To be sure, we are a different communion, a different tradition, not currently in communion with the Bishop of Rome, but we are of the one Church established by Christ as Pentecost.

Jon
 
Mystophilus said:
The issue around the Filioque is primarily ecclesiological, not theological: it was less about what was said than about Rome assuming the right of saying it unilaterally.
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There are Orthodox who would disagree and say that the filioque dramatically alters one’s model of the Triune God. We all agree that the Father is the ungenerated origin (ἀγεννητος ἀρχη) of the Godhead, and that the Son breathes the Spirit onto the Church within the created order; there exists the fact that the filioque implies the eternal procession of the Spirit from the Father and the Son, to which the Orthodox are wont to object. They fear (perhaps rightly) that the filioque implies a second origin (ἀρχη) within the Trinity.
 
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