Question For Protestants (if any are here)

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Telethia said:
Greetings!

Just found this site and saw the post; I just had to respond.

I am a Missouri Synod Lutheran, have been all my life. I’ve never really thought about swapping to Catholicism, and I’m not really considering it now. The main differences that I have seen/heard between Lutheranism and Catholicism are in the Sacraments, and in prayer to Saints and such. I know some peopel have referenced praying to saints above, but not being raised with that it just feels odd to me not praying directly to God
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Do Lutherans pray for one another; I suppose they do. So if sinners like me and you can pray for each other, why can we not ask the Saints, who are purer than us, to pray for us. Or is it that you do not believe in Saints.

Either the consercrated Bread and Wine are the true Body and Blood of Jesus or not; they cannot be both. If the consecrated Bread and Wine are not the true Body and Blood of Jesus, then Catholics are breaking the First Commandment by worshipping innanimate objects. If, on the other hand, they represent the true Body and Blood of Jesus, then Lutherans are denying Jesus. We will know with certainty after death but it will be too late for one of us.
 
metanoia1 said:
I simply don’t believe there is one true church.
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Is it possible that your belief could be wrong. If there is no one true church, how many true churches are there. How do you define a church; how do you define a true church. There are over 30, 000 protestant denominations in the US alone. Are they all churches.
 
opulumpu said:
Do Lutherans pray for one another; I suppose they do. So if sinners like me and you can pray for each other, why can we not ask the Saints, who are purer than us, to pray for us. Or is it that you do not believe in Saints.
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Lutherans give their reason for not invoking the saints directly in their confessions. It is an acceptable practice, however, to ask God to hear the prayers of the saints on our behalf
opulumpu said:
Either the consercrated Bread and Wine are the true Body and Blood of Jesus or not; they cannot be both.
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No Lutheran well catechized would say it is both.
opulumpu said:
If, on the other hand, they represent the true Body and Blood of Jesus, then Lutherans are denying Jesus.
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If you can find in the Lutheran confessions any reference to the notion that the bread and wine merely represent His body and blood, id like to see it. (Don’t waste too much time looking. It’s not there)
 
opulumpu said:
Is it possible that your belief could be wrong. If there is no one true church, how many true churches are there. How do you define a church; how do you define a true church. There are over 30, 000 protestant denominations in the US alone. Are they all churches.
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Great question, although you kind of undermine it with the 30,000 number.
The answer is yes, there is only on true Church- the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church, that both Catholics and Lutherans (and others) confess and are members of. It is a visible Church where one finds the congregation of believers gathered around word and sacrament
 
lilypadrees said:
Since Protestants believe they are saved (“once saved, always saved”), why do you feel you must work out your own salvation? What does that mean to you?
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OSAS has its roots in the Calvinistic perseverance of saints. Not all who are labeled Protestant hold to either.
Lutherans do not.
 
lilypadrees said:
The Catholic Church is different from Protestant churches. The Catholic Church has Jesus Himself as its Founder. Protestant churches have ordinary men as their founders.
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I was Lutheran most of my life, and am now continuing Anglican. Christ is the founder of the Church, regardless of tradition.
 
Yes it is entirely possible that my belief could be wrong. It is also possible that because beliefs can change, mine could.
 
opulumpu said:
and protected through centuries of mayhem until today. After 1,500 years of Her existence some
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What Lutheran Church do you attend, LCMS, ELCA, Wels or some other? The Churches vary greatly regarding their adherence to confessional Lutheranism as professed in the Concord book (which teaches the Pope is the AntiChrist, LCMS< WELS) and the ELCA Lutherans support abortion, homosexuality , and same sex marriages in some churches.
Catholics profess to the true presence in the Eucharist as stated in the Bible. This IS my body, This IS my blood given up for you. The Lutherans I know, state their pastors say “in with and under” the etc. What does your say?
I also know a lot of Confessional LCMS Lutherans and find them wonderful conservative Christians. God bless.
 
My church is LCMS. And yes, you’re right, “Lutheran” is quite broad nowadays.
In with and under is the official doctrine, but the pastors just use Jesus’ words in the service itself.
 
JonNC said:
Christ is the founder of the Church, regardless of tradition.
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Protestantism is not merely an ecclesial tradition within the Church that Christ founded. Protestantism is not merely a difference of liturgical rites within the One Church. Protestantism is divided hodgepodge of disunity. Christ did not found a Church with varying doctrines under one umbrella of indifferentism.
 
AugustTherese said:
Protestantism is not merely an ecclesial tradition within the Church that Christ founded. Protestantism is not merely a difference of liturgical rites within the One Church.
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All true, since Protestantism is a particular thing.
But Lutheranism is a tradition within the Vhurch, as is Anglicanism.
AugustTherese said:
Christ did not found a Church with varying doctrines under one umbrella of indifferentism.
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This would have been a good reminder when patriarchs were exchanging excommunications a thousand years ago.
 
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