The division is mutual, just like the Schism was
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AugustTherese
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Doesn’t ‘One’, mean One?
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Mrnuggles
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But they hold doctorins that are seperate from the Catholic church. Not everyone can be right there has to be a single truth and baptism. A single doctorine. You can’t have one group claim sola fide and the other disagrees with it. There has to be a commom agreement a common baptism a common doctorine.
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AugustTherese
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“[T]here are many other things which most properly can keep me in [the Catholic Church’s] bosom. The unanimity of peoples and nations keeps me here. Her authority, inaugurated in miracles, nourished by hope, augmented by love, and confirmed by her age, keeps me here. The succession of priests, from the very see of the apostle Peter, to whom the Lord, after his resurrection, gave the charge of feeding his sheep [John 21:15–17], up to the present episcopate, keeps me here. And last, the very name Catholic, which, not without reason, belongs to this Church alone, in the face of so many heretics, so much so that, although all heretics want to be called ‘Catholic,’ when a stranger inquires where the Catholic Church meets, none of the heretics would dare to point out his own basilica or house” - Saint Augustine (Against the Letter of Mani Called “The Foundation” 4:5 [A.D. 397]).
One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church, of which we are all membersJonNC:
Doesn’t ‘One’, mean One?
And the Catholic Church in communion with the Bishop of Rome holds doctrines contrary to ours, and to the EO.
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Check the date - 397 AD. St Augustine had no knowledge of the divisions between us.JonNC:
“[T]here are many other things which most properly can keep me in [the Catholic Church’s] bosom. The unanimity of peoples and nations keeps me here. Her authority, inaugurated in miracles, nourished by hope, augmented by love, and confirmed by her age, keeps me here. The succession of priests, from the very see of the apostle Peter, to whom the Lord, after his resurrection, gave the charge of feeding his sheep [John 21:15–17], up to the present episcopate, keeps me here. And last, the very name Catholic, which, not without reason, belongs to this Church alone, in the face of so many heretics, so much so that, although all heretics want to be called ‘Catholic,’ when a stranger inquires where the Catholic Church meets, none of the heretics would dare to point out his own basilica or house” - Saint Augustine (Against the Letter of Mani Called “The Foundation” 4:5 [A.D. 397]).
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Mrnuggles
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Well then who has the right doctorine? Is sola fide true? Is sola scriptura true?
Is indulgences true? Is universal jurisdiction true?
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Aulef
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Good question 
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Mrnuggles
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Answer the previous question before giving me one. (Not being rude I’m generally curious because I’m in a bit of a journey.) But of course universal jurisdiction is true from what i have read and heard.
One Church. Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic. Established at Pentecost by Christ Himself. That fact is not diminished by human divisions
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Mrnuggles
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How so? Mind explaining to me? You can message me if you feel that would be easier.
No. That’s okay. It is your thread and I’m happy to respond.
From the earliest time of the Church, therecwere differences and disagreements. In the early Church these disagreements were ar times mediated by the Bishop of Tome, and indication of his primacy doing the bishops. But large controversies are solved by councils.
Even after the great Schism, when the use of truly ecumenical councils necessarily ended, there was just one Church, the universal Church, that we, baptized believers are members of.
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lilypadrees
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They weren’t.
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CatsCath
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Oh Jill! I understand where you’re coming from! I prayed & prayed for God to show me TRUTH! I’ve had opposite experience as yours: if I think of all the times I’ve been lied to, betrayed, ridiculed or disrespected in some way- it’s ALWAYS been at the hands of a Protestant! Of course I know some wonderful, devout Protestants too! However, I’ve known many self- righteous, hateful ones.
Then- I met 2 Catholic women who LIVED out the love of Christ in front of me.
The joy, devotion & peace they had/have- I wanted! I still attend my Protestant Church- for now, because of the logistics my life right now.
But I know I WILL convert. WHY? Because I didn’t take someone’s word for it- I started studying what Catholics believe. I actually went the a bookstore & bought The Catechism of the Catholic Church & read it for myself. Then I read everything else I could get my hands on and I prayed- a lot! I watched the Catholic station EWTN.
No, Catholics don’t pray to the dead or worship idols or Mary. They only worship God! And they pray the same Apostles Creed that the Protestant Churches do, which if you know that Creed- it states exactly what is believed by the person reciting it!
Go on YOUTUBE & listen to Father Mike Schmitz -he explains things really well, he’s funny and he’s cute!
Here’s one of his videos-
Then- I met 2 Catholic women who LIVED out the love of Christ in front of me.
The joy, devotion & peace they had/have- I wanted! I still attend my Protestant Church- for now, because of the logistics my life right now.
But I know I WILL convert. WHY? Because I didn’t take someone’s word for it- I started studying what Catholics believe. I actually went the a bookstore & bought The Catechism of the Catholic Church & read it for myself. Then I read everything else I could get my hands on and I prayed- a lot! I watched the Catholic station EWTN.
No, Catholics don’t pray to the dead or worship idols or Mary. They only worship God! And they pray the same Apostles Creed that the Protestant Churches do, which if you know that Creed- it states exactly what is believed by the person reciting it!
Go on YOUTUBE & listen to Father Mike Schmitz -he explains things really well, he’s funny and he’s cute!
Here’s one of his videos-
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Mrnuggles
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Hmm i see. Can you give me sources please?
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Mrnuggles
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No that the pope doesnt have universal jurisdiction maybe a book or something? A writing from the church fathers would definitely be appreciated.
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Where does it say that he does. Not in the early councils. In fact, Nicaea canon 6 seems to state the opposite, that the different sees have similar jurisdictions.
Scripture certainly doesn’t. Christ at one point warns the disciples against setting a pecking order.
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