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Does anyone know if it is possible for a mobile bacteria to have the ability to harm humans, animals AND fomites?
 
obviously I am not a scientist because I don’t know what a fomite is, but what is the spiritual dimension of your question?
 
Good question. Let’s skip the fomites and get on with the real issues that deal with our spiritual welfare.
 
I’m not a scientist, but what I remember from my training as a medical assistant is that all bacteria are mobile. Some bacteria are harmful to humans, some to animals, some to both. A “fomite” is an inanimate object, as a stethoscope, a broom, bedsheets, etc, which can harbor bacteria. When a human or animal comes into contact with the bacteria on a toothbrush, for instance, that bacteria will most likely be transmitted to the human or the animal.

Here is a link that may help. Just click on it.

Fomites
 
puzzleannie said:
obviously I am not a scientist because I don’t know what a fomite is, but what is the spiritual dimension of your question?
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Honestly… I’m trying to determine if several things that I’ve been experiencing for almost a year are either scientific or caused by … Something else. I’ve researched every scientific avenue possible and after about 5 months persistence of a friend (who is the type that —everything has a founded scientific reason and don’t dare ask him about his beliefs) – suggested I speak to a priest, offered to pay for me to see someone that handles curses or other weird stuff (because he said since I hadn’t converted yet I wouldn’t receive much, if any help from the Church) and gave me a book called, The Rite( which I still refuse to read). He is extremely intelligent, grounded etc. Which is why of all the people in the world to suggest something… I never would have thought he would consider these avenues as viable… After a year of tons of time, doctors, vets, moving, you name it; I decided to ask here. Perhaps it wasn’t the proper forum…
 
paulonei said:
Are you talking about the book by Matt Baglio, which was adapted for cinema?
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Yes. I know it sounds silly, but I was concerned if I did have an issue like that - it could maybe become worse by reading something like that…
 
Peggy_in_Burien said:
I’m not a scientist, but what I remember from my training as a medical assistant is that all bacteria are
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My understanding is there aren’t very many that are transferred from man to animal or animal to man… If you have two dogs, in theory both would be affected ( more than likely-same age, siblings, etc) however, only one is affected and I have similar issues… We’ve been to approximately 6 vets and specialists and I’ve been to probably the same number of doctors , etc. Anything that would or could be transferable has been eliminated as a possibility or treated. Also, regarding fomites, I’m having issues with strange dents in the walls( had someone cut away the drywall to see if it was Chinese drywall- it’s not) holes in the walls when I return home - large holes- as if the dogs are trying to get to something inside them (which is what the contractor thought as well) but it didn’t seem to make sense to him and I’m home quite a bit and they never even attempt anything like scratching a wall when I’m here… Strange little things coming up on the walls beneath the paint and dents in floors and furniture, holes appearing in clothes old and new as well as linens, strange smells, etc. I could go on but these are the more " normal " problems… Oh, and this all started a year ago while at my last home when I started having some strange experiences similar as to those when I was younger and then they progressed. My four year old healthy dog suddenly became ill ( she had to be put down) then I became ill and then a pipe burst sending debris and fiberglass, insulation throughout the home… I rescued the two pups and I bought a new home and moved. So whatever is has to be some weird disease or bacteria no one has found yet or something I can’t handle anymore…
 
Nanabelle said:
Yes. I know it sounds silly, but I was concerned if I did have an issue like that - it could maybe become worse by reading something like that…
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Maybe watching the movie can be easier than reading the book 🙂 I remember there was many references to animals on it; but I didn’t got all of its meaning …

I have no idea if what you are describing is “natural” or “supernatural”. So I suggest you searching for an experienced priest. If he founds a probability of something “supernatural”, you will need to ask some permission by the local bishop if it needs something “professional”.

But, even if it is not “supernatural”, asking a priest to bless your house or to pray for you will not cause anything bad. So, if it doesn’t help, it will not worsen. 😉 Nothing to lose.
 
What if you’ve already had the house blessed by a priest?
Without going into any further details, what I described earlier are the more mundane issues. I was hoping someone would read it and say, yeah, that sounds like … Some weird disease or bacteria. Maybe something doctors in the U.S. aren’t familiar with…

I spoke with a priest about a lot of it months ago. He told me if I had further problems he would have to speak with the other priest and then possibly go to some doctors, have a camera or something installed in house - possibly. He wasn’t sure. He did bless the house and things were better for a while. I’m not comfortable going back to him as I’m converting and live less than 5 minutes from the church and in the past have been an active member wherever I’ve attended and do not want to be the new nut…
… He said some things like … If it was something supernatural then I would have invited it in… It didn’t sit well with me at the time…

So, can you still have supernatural problems after a house has been blessed or does that mean it’s been blessed and somewhere there has to be a scientific reason?
 
Nanabelle said:
H… After a year of tons of time, doctors, vets, moving, you name it; I decided to ask here. Perhaps it wasn’t the proper forum…
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sorry but nothing in your OP suggests you are being bothered by a situation that could be better understood by reading a very worthwhile and reliable book on exorcism called the rite. all we can go by is what you actually post, not what you don’t say. you asked for scientific help, not spiritual help.

If you feel, and your feelings are as valid as anyone else’s, that whatever you have experienced might have a supernatural explanation, please see a priest. In person. Nobody can help you long distance like this. The book will however in the meantime give you a good idea about the practical aspects of how the Church discerns these things.

If you still want to ask a purely scientific question, no this is not the forum.

I do however think your instinct is correct, to first look for a natural, scientific, explanation for something unexplained with regard to your pets. A supernatural explanation is not the first place to look. What did the exterminators find when they did a pest inspection? Our dog almost went crazy when racoons invaded over the garage and one of their babies got stuck.
 
Nanabelle said:
I’m not comfortable going back to him as I’m converting and live less than 5 minutes from the church and in the past have been an active member wherever I’ve attended and do not want to be the new nut…
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In that case I recommend you try to talk to another priest. Talking to other priests may lead to more ideas.
Nanabelle said:
So, can you still have supernatural problems after a house has been blessed or does that mean it’s been blessed and somewhere there has to be a scientific reason?
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Yes, you can still have problems even if the house (or person) has been blessed or even exorcised. See the movie “The Rite” and you will hear about some cases. But I am not an expert… 🙂

I suggest you to seek for information on this subject. I have read some articles in Zenit last times (I really recommend subscribing to this news agency). Please read these articles I have found:

“F.A.Q.”
zenit.org/article-29018?l=english

“Urges Separating Possession From Psychiatric Problems”
zenit.org/article-22264?l=english

“The Church Must Speak About the Devil”
zenit.org/article-15072?l=english

Once again, information will not hurt 😉

God bless.
 
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