Question for those who believe in Once Saved Always Saved

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Once Saved Always Saved is definitely one of the most dangerous doctrines. For someone to believe in this doctrine, I find it natural that one may fall into the bondage of sin although I do acknowledge it’s very possible for a Catholic to fall into the Bondage of Sin but the difference between religions is that to a Catholic and it’s CHurch, sin can effect our walk with Christ, while one who believes in OSAS, they do not take sin very seriously and is almost seen as harmless to their salvation.

just my two cents
 
Jestocost said:
Some believers in OSAS believe that you can later choose to reject God. If your family is among them you might be able to point out the similarities of that to the doctrine of mortal sin.
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They do hold that belief or they will lament and cry thinking I have never been “saved” to begin with. That is a good idea to point out. Thank you!🙂
 
St_Violet said:
Once Saved Always Saved is definitely one of the most dangerous doctrines. For someone to believe in this doctrine, I find it natural that one may fall into the bondage of sin although I do acknowledge it’s very possible for a Catholic to fall into the Bondage of Sin but the difference between religions is that to a Catholic and it’s CHurch, sin can effect our walk with Christ, ***while one who believes in OSAS, they do not take sin very seriously ***and is almost seen as harmless to their salvation.

just my two cents
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I’ve known catholics who think they can sin all week and just drop by the confessional, repeat a few hail mary’s and everything is okay. Of course they go out partying later Saturday night but that’s okay because they have received communion and have confession to go to next Saturday.

I’m smart enough to realize that this isn’t what your church teaches about the confessional and I would hope that you would too realize that the perseverance of the saints is not an excuse to sin.

Do some people who believe in OSAS take it that way, sure but then again some catholics abuse the confessional.
 
St_Violet said:
Once Saved Always Saved is definitely one of the most dangerous doctrines. For someone to believe in this doctrine, I find it natural that one may fall into the bondage of sin although I do acknowledge it’s very possible for a Catholic to fall into the Bondage of Sin but the difference between religions is that to a Catholic and it’s CHurch, sin can effect our walk with Christ, while one who believes in OSAS, they do not take sin very seriously and is almost seen as harmless to their salvation.

just my two cents
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OSAS do not take sin seriously? Have you ever read the code of conduct at Liberty, BJU, or the like?
 
Teenagers get pregnant by a combination of ragin hormones and unexperience regarding of religion.

But I do have some issues with OSAS.
  1. None in the early church believed that.
  2. It leads people to catty arrogance. I’m saved you are not.
  3. It leads people to confusion. If you were saved and fall into serious sin, were you really saved the first time? How did you know that the next time you are saved is the real one? So God and your emotions are playing with you?
I have seen in You Tube and myspace testimonies expornstars that said “I was saved when I was nine”. Well, why you became a methead prostitute them? Over and over and over.
Arminan women in the same situation just become lapsed.
 
homewardbound said:
I’m not trying to debate here, if I was I’d have posted this in the Apologetics forum.

I am hoping to be confirmed Catholic ASAP. However, I was raised Baptist and was taught OSAS growing up. Now, as an adult who has found my faith in the Catholic Church, I do not believe in OSAS anymore. My family still makes a very big deal about it though. Calling me on my “second birthday” and such. Now, I believe accepting God into your heart and believing is a very very big deal. Every Christian at some point prays to God asking forgiveness and stating their belief. But, I don’t believe that one little prayer is what is going to assure me Heaven. So, here’s my question: How would you feel if your daughter/sister/whatever suddenly stopped believing in OSAS and what could they say to make you feel alright with it? Would you be angry or sad? Would you not like them anymore?

I’m just scared because I know its going to come up at some point and I feel so guilty for pretending I still believe I am 100% going to Heaven based on the prayer I prayed at 7 years old when I don’t believe that anymore.
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I was in the same boat at one point…well, actually right now. My parents, specifically my mom, believes in OSAS. I totally reject any notion of it and she knows that because I told her. Why can’t you tell her you do not believe in it? 🤷 :confused:
Della said:
That won’t work. If homewardbound asked if one can still be saved after declaring to be a Satanist her loved ones would only say that sure a person was never saved in the first place. This is how they get around OSAS when someone strays from their OSAS beliefs.
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Not the OSAS I was brought up in. The one you’re stating is the Calvinistic belief (gratide, most believe in this form)…

Prayers and petitions,
Alexius:cool:
 
Pwrlftr said:
I’ve known catholics who think they can sin all week and just drop by the confessional, repeat a few hail mary’s and everything is okay. Of course they go out partying later Saturday night but that’s okay because they have received communion and have confession to go to next Saturday.

I’m smart enough to realize that this isn’t what your church teaches about the confessional and I would hope that you would too realize that the perseverance of the saints is not an excuse to sin.

Do some people who believe in OSAS take it that way, sure but then again some catholics abuse the confessional.
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your practically just summarizing my post. I’m sure there are catholics out there that abuse the confessional booth and the hail marys, although this is evidence that these catholics are either ignorant of the teachings of the Church or are trying to cover up their tracks by pretending to be catholics on the side.

but to make my post a bit more understandable is that if a catholic chooses or accidently falls into sin or say he or she decides to go out partying getting drunk after a confession, atleast these sins/evil actions conflicts with what the Church truely represents, and can have a negative effect on our walk with Christ and even in our savaltion.

while a person who believes in OSAS, sins that were either committed accidently or intentionally does not have an negative effect on it’s doctrine or his or her walk and salvation because after all, the chosen will go to heaven anyways.
 
St_Violet said:
your practically just summarizing my post. I’m sure there are catholics out there that abuse the confessional booth and the hail marys, although this is evidence that these catholics are either ignorant of the teachings of the Church or are trying to cover up their tracks by pretending to be catholics on the side.

but to make my post a bit more understandable is that if a catholic chooses or accidently falls into sin or say he or she decides to go out partying getting drunk after a confession, atleast these sins/evil actions conflicts with what the Church truely represents, and can have a negative effect on our walk with Christ and even in our savaltion.

while a person who believes in OSAS, sins that were either committed accidently or intentionally does not have an negative effect on it’s doctrine or his or her walk and salvation because after all, the chosen will go to heaven anyways.
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My point is, I don’t know of any church that believes in the perseverance of the saints and at the same time believes it’s okay to commit sin. As mentioned above in an earlier post, folks that believe in the perseverance of the saints have historically been very pious.

Your second paragraph could be rephrased to say…

“but to make my post a bit more understandable is that if a Christian chooses or accidently falls into sin or say he or she decides to go out partying getting drunk, these sins/evil actions conflicts with what the doctrine of the perseverance of the saints and what Christianity truely represents, and can have a negative effect on our walk with Christ.”

In the example I gave about confession I would hope all non-Catholics would be intelligent enough to realize that this isn’t what your church teaches just like I would hope that Catholics would be intelligent enough to realize that the doctrine of the perseverance of the saints does not encourage sinful behaviour.
 
What most folks who hold to OSAS are saying is, in essence: God promised to save us if we believe in Christ, his Son. And that is right and proper. The problem is, what is the meaning of “believe?”

For OSAS folks “believe” means assurance of salvation through a life of faith and living for Christ.

For Catholics “believe” means assurance of salvation through a life of faith and living for Christ.

The problem comes in either side thinking the other has the wrong end of the stick. OSAS have the odd idea that Catholics rely solely on their good works, which we don’t. And many Catholics have the odd idea that OSAS rely on faith alone, which they don’t.

It isn’t the belief that is so different, in reality, but how that belief is practiced and built upon. But that is a topic for another thread. 😉
 
homewardbound said:
I’m not trying to debate here, if I was I’d have posted this in the Apologetics forum.

I am hoping to be confirmed Catholic ASAP. However, I was raised Baptist and was taught OSAS growing up. Now, as an adult who has found my faith in the Catholic Church, I do not believe in OSAS anymore. My family still makes a very big deal about it though. Calling me on my “second birthday” and such. Now, I believe accepting God into your heart and believing is a very very big deal. Every Christian at some point prays to God asking forgiveness and stating their belief. But, I don’t believe that one little prayer is what is going to assure me Heaven. So, here’s my question: How would you feel if your daughter/sister/whatever suddenly stopped believing in OSAS and what could they say to make you feel alright with it? Would you be angry or sad? Would you not like them anymore?

I’m just scared because I know its going to come up at some point and I feel so guilty for pretending I still believe I am 100% going to Heaven based on the prayer I prayed at 7 years old when I don’t believe that anymore.

So, anyone have any advice on how to handle this situation with my family? I don’t mean to offend anyone here, just a situation I’d hate to lose my family over.
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Whenever they raise the issue, I would just quote “Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith”, and let it go at that. Basically both sides agree that one must complete the race to be saved. One side says one can quit the race. The other side says that one will endure the race to completion. So, why not simply encourage them to endure the race to completion and seek to complete that race yourself? Basically, I am saying turn it around to How do we all endure the race to completion? See 2 Peter 1, “making one’s salvation sure”.

Hebrews 12:2

Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.
 
Daniel_Marsh said:
Whenever they raise the issue, I would just quote “Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith”, and let it go at that. Basically both sides agree that one must complete the race to be saved. One side says one can quit the race. The other side says that one will endure the race to completion. So, why not simply encourage them to endure the race to completion and seek to complete that race yourself? Basically, I am saying turn it around to How do we all endure the race to completion? See 2 Peter 1, “making one’s salvation sure”.

Hebrews 12:2

Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.
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Ah, a peacemaker 👍
 
homewardbound said:
I’m not trying to debate here, if I was I’d have posted this in the Apologetics forum.

I am hoping to be confirmed Catholic ASAP. However, I was raised Baptist and was taught OSAS growing up. Now, as an adult who has found my faith in the Catholic Church, I do not believe in OSAS anymore. My family still makes a very big deal about it though. Calling me on my “second birthday” and such. Now, I believe accepting God into your heart and believing is a very very big deal. Every Christian at some point prays to God asking forgiveness and stating their belief. But, I don’t believe that one little prayer is what is going to assure me Heaven. So, here’s my question: How would you feel if your daughter/sister/whatever suddenly stopped believing in OSAS and what could they say to make you feel alright with it? Would you be angry or sad? Would you not like them anymore?

I’m just scared because I know its going to come up at some point and I feel so guilty for pretending I still believe I am 100% going to Heaven based on the prayer I prayed at 7 years old when I don’t believe that anymore.

So, anyone have any advice on how to handle this situation with my family? I don’t mean to offend anyone here, just a situation I’d hate to lose my family over.
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A lot of Baptist do beleve that OSAS, but what happens if someone does the UNFORGIVING SIN?
Question way change over from Baptist to Catholic? God Bless.
 
Della said:
That won’t work. If homewardbound asked if one can still be saved after declaring to be a Satanist her loved ones would only say that sure a person was never saved in the first place. This is how they get around OSAS when someone strays from their OSAS beliefs.
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I know they always do this, but by saying this they are already contradicting themselves.

I.E… by implicitly admitting the future possibility of finding out that one who was thought “saved” at some point was never really saved in the first place, they are acknowledging that you can never refer to any one person as “saved” with 100% certainty. (unless they claim to know the future that is ;))
 
Howardbound,
If you have trusted in Christ as your personal Savior by faith alone then you are OSAS. This fact does depend upon what you are being taught or what you believe. It is true whether or not you believe it.

DLC 👍
 
Question for those who believe in Once Saved Always Saved
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Hi

I think it is a fallacious slogan, one may resort to not doing good deeds that one is saved already. In religion one has to make a continous effort doing good deeds, unless one attains the stage that one is protected doing sinful things. If one still does sins, then one is not saved.

Thanks
 
DLC said:
Howardbound,
If you have trusted in Christ as your personal Savior by faith alone then you are OSAS. This fact does depend upon what you are being taught or what you believe. It is true whether or not you believe it.

DLC 👍
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With all due respect, this OSAS belief has not a shred of Bibical validity and it certainly pains my common sense. It is so non sensical to me that it is one of the big reasons why I left The Baptist church and started RCIA. There may be a “verse” in the Bible that might tend to suggest that OSAS is valid but the overall message of the Bible will not support such an idea. I don’t want to play Bible ping pong so go ahead and make your case.
I do believe that truth is not subject to belief. Opinions depend on belief but not truth. Thanks
 
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