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Hi Iosh!
I think we have a large amount in common regarding the perspective of Mary and her role vis.a.vis St. Louis De Monfort. I don’t wish to derail the thread probing what specifically bothers you with respect to Church Teaching as a practicing Catholic; but it does interest me very much…
I think the woman mentioned in Revelation is both Mary and the Church; and the reason is this:
In each baptized child, Christ indwells. As Jesus said to St. Paul who struck, imprisoned, and put to death Catholics: “Saul, Saul, why do you persecute me!”; and as Jesus will say on the day of Judgment “When you did it to the least of my people, you did it to me.”
The woman, in Revelation, is already clothed with the sun before bringing her child to birth; but in Revelation we are told that there will be no sun in the heavenly Jerusalem – for Jesus himself will be that sun. This woman’s clothing, then, is already a clear sign of the incarnation of Christ Jesus – for it would be pointless to be a literal sun (regardless of the sign’s historical significance with respect to the end of the world.)
In Revelation, the signs of false God’s are appropriated by Jesus himself – who is the very Icon of the invisible and jealous God.
There will be no more sun, no more moon, all these things will be subsumed into him and his body. He will, from then on, be the source of light in the heavenly Jerusalem and I infer that if there are seasons, he will mark their times.
The Jerusalem of the OT had idols scribbled in its walls, sacred pillars of fornication occasionally worked into the structure – and was repeatedly purged.
The final Jerusalem will have it’s own protection from such vandalism for it will be made of “living” stones. cf. Jesus’ body and the saints.
I’m not in the slightest bothered By Jerimiah’s references; Though I do find the “probably” arguments of Scholars quite
. I mean! What other name and separate mythology has ever been given to a “queen” of heaven (& they mean the sky – no the heaven of heavens…) which the Israelites falsely worshiped?I don’t know of any except Ishtar/Astarte. But – even IF, SOMEHOW – there are others, none of them ever had the name Miriam or Mary.
Just so, if Jesus replaces all the false God’s of the OT with himself and his body; then what will replace the physical thing which was falsely worshipped as Queen of Heaven? (and why?)
Or conversely, with respect to legitimate Hebrew Dynasties inherited from David:
Even if the Queen mother of Israel was but a figurehead, who then will fill the role of figurehead – eg: Queen Mother in Israel?
I think Tim has at least this much correct; The very fact that Chronicles dutifully lists the name of each of the Queen mothers is enough to show that they were very important even if the reason is obscure. People don’t bother recording what they don’t care about on expensive writing media…