Question from a Seeking Jew

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Ghosty:
As was said, it’s possible. I would say that it’s not that likely, though. While we do have many skeptics in the Church, and no one is required to believe in such private revelations, anyone who knows anything about the Church knows that they do happen, and that most aren’t famous. It’s likely that most orthodox priests would have believed you were sincere, even if they doubted the authenticity of the actual vision. 🙂

Me, I can’t stand the charismatic movements for personal reasons, though I don’t doubt the sincerity of the people in it. I still believe you 100%, and have no reason to doubt, espescially given the affect it’s had on you.

Shalom aleichem!
Thanks. 🙂 Didn’t the Pope John Paul II embrace the charismatic movement? I read somewhere that he said something good about it or something. Do you know?

Shalom Ha Moshiach!
 
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Jew_Man_73:
There is something that I want to say very badly. I believe that the time has come for me to post it here, on this thread. After researching the Church, praying, talking on here, reading the Gospels, and talking to my two priest friends:

I BELIEVE THAT YESHUA IS THE FULFILLMENT OF ALL THE PROPHECIES IN THE TANAKH. I BELIEVE THAT HE WAS CRUCIFIED, DIED, AND ROSE ON THE THIRD DAY IN ORDER TO PROVIDE ME WITH ETERNAL LIFE WITH G-D. I BELIEVE THAT HE WAS BORN TO THE VIRGIN MIRIAM, AND THAT SHE HAS A SPECIAL PLACE IN HEAVEN AND WATCHES OVER ALL THOSE WHO LOVE HER. I BELIEVE THAT YESHUA AND MIRIAM LOVE ME, AND WANT ME TO SPENT ETERNITY WITH THEM AND G-D IN HEAVEN.

My hands were shaking like crazy as I typed this!
Wow, that’s the kind of post that puts the “O” back in God!!
 
Didn’t the Pope John Paul II embrace the charismatic movement? I read somewhere that he said something good about it or something. Do you know?
Yes, JPII the Great was a huge supporter of the Charismatic Movement. You’d be hard pressed to put all the things he’s done involving Charismatics in a single post. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not questioning the orthodoxy of the Charismatic Movement, it’s just not my bag. My personal expression of faith doesn’t lend itself well to certain charismatic devotions, but that’s the beauty of the Catholic Church; we have room for all kinds of devotions. I’m not much of a trappist, either, but I don’t have any problem with faithful Catholics joining monastaries 😃

Shalom Aleichem!
 
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Ghosty:
Yes, JPII the Great was a huge supporter of the Charismatic Movement. You’d be hard pressed to put all the things he’s done involving Charismatics in a single post. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not questioning the orthodoxy of the Charismatic Movement, it’s just not my bag. My personal expression of faith doesn’t lend itself well to certain charismatic devotions, but that’s the beauty of the Catholic Church; we have room for all kinds of devotions. I’m not much of a trappist, either, but I don’t have any problem with faithful Catholics joining monastaries 😃

Shalom Aleichem!
That’s interesting. I read something about that somewhere too. I remember reading on a Catholic website that the Charismatic movement was a legitimate work of G-d, but Catholics weren’t required to follow it. I like that, because I’m sure alot of people wouldn’t feel comfortable with some of the Charismatic practices. There are actually even some people in my parish who don’t like Charismatic worship, so they don’t go to the Charismatic Masses. It’s not an issue, either. No one gets annoyed about it either way, at least that I have seen.
 
Hey, hows it going today?

I think Pete above in his post, in addition to commenting on how incredible it is what you’re going through and all that you’ve shared with us, that now, as a believe in the Meshiah, you can start typing God’s full name. We are family members through Christ who has redeemed us, providing us with the opportunity to have a close, family relationship with God.

I’m still a bit thrilled to think of how quickly you have progressed in your faith. It has been a bit of a high to be able to participate in these conversations. I have been especially appreciative of the humble manner in which you came here and asked your questions, the incredibly open heart and mind you have demonstrated.

Now you get to begin to try being on the other side of these conversations. Learning will be a lifelong exercise. Just try to retain the same sense of humility you have demonstrated on this thread and attempt to develop the same love for those who don’t understand our faith as you have for Christ, for remember he, through the Holy Spirit, resides in each and every one of your fellow men.

God Bless you and thank you for the opportunity to participate with you in this incredible journey!

CARose
 
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Jew_Man_73:
That’s interesting. I read something about that somewhere too. I remember reading on a Catholic website that the Charismatic movement was a legitimate work of G-d, but Catholics weren’t required to follow it. I like that, because I’m sure alot of people wouldn’t feel comfortable with some of the Charismatic practices. There are actually even some people in my parish who don’t like Charismatic worship, so they don’t go to the Charismatic Masses. It’s not an issue, either. No one gets annoyed about it either way, at least that I have seen.
One of the things about the Catholic Church is that we recognise (some more than others, but hey we’re human) that we aren’t all the same and the Church is meant to be Universal (catholic). As such, we are to represent within our members all the components of the Mystical Body of Christ.

JPII’s support of the Charismatics has been mentioned. Did you know that he is a member of OCDS, (Order Carmel, Discalced Secular). He attempted several times to join a Carmel Monestary but was turned away. Apparently they saw that he was meant for other things. The Carmel Order, with their contemplative prayers, is said to the be Heart of the Catholic Church, their prayers being the heart beat. If you are interested in reading a simple, yet life changing book on a saint, I’d like to recommend “Story of a Soul” by St. Theresa, the Little Flower (also known as Theresa Lisoux). There is a movie about her that was release last year that made it to some theaters around the country. I don’t know that they’ve gone out to video yet. It was nicely filmed, although I preferred the book.

Well, you’ve got a lifetime of learning ahead of you. Welcome home, welcome home.

CARose
 
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CARose:
One of the things about the Catholic Church is that we recognise (some more than others, but hey we’re human) that we aren’t all the same and the Church is meant to be Universal (catholic). As such, we are to represent within our members all the components of the Mystical Body of Christ.

JPII’s support of the Charismatics has been mentioned. Did you know that he is a member of OCDS, (Order Carmel, Discalced Secular). He attempted several times to join a Carmel Monestary but was turned away. Apparently they saw that he was meant for other things. The Carmel Order, with their contemplative prayers, is said to the be Heart of the Catholic Church, their prayers being the heart beat. If you are interested in reading a simple, yet life changing book on a saint, I’d like to recommend “Story of a Soul” by St. Theresa, the Little Flower (also known as Theresa Lisoux). There is a movie about her that was release last year that made it to some theaters around the country. I don’t know that they’ve gone out to video yet. It was nicely filmed, although I preferred the book.

Well, you’ve got a lifetime of learning ahead of you. Welcome home, welcome home.

CARose
I didn’t know about that, thank you. Thank you for these two posts. And thank you for the welcome home. 🙂

On that note, I’m going to stop posting on this thread. This has evolved into much more than I ever anticipated, and has been a definite blessing for me. I believe that the purpose for this thread has not only been served, but served above and beyond my highest expectations. My thanks to everyone who has posted on here and helped me in my faith journey. Of course I realize my faith journey isn’t over, and won’t be over until I reach Heaven.

I’m not leaving the forum, though. I’ll still be here, checking in every day to see what’s new and hopefully learn something. And I can promise you all that I’ll have more questions and ponderings, so don’t be suprised if you see a new thread with my name on it pop up at some point! 😃

All of you, please feel free to send me a private message and say “hi” anytime. I’d love to hear from you!

And about writing out the name of G-d. I understand what you’re saying, but I can’t do it, at least not yet. I still need some time. It’s the Jew in me! 😃

Shalom Ha Moshiach, brothers and sisters!
 
Thank you CARose and JM. 🙂

I’m glad to have these forums and the internet - through the diocesan web site, I’ve already found four or five churches in the neighborhood into which we’ll be moving and I’ll be contacting them as soon as we get there.

I’m going to read back through this thread again as soon as I get time - it’s definitely been a wonderful exchange. And like JM, I’m probably going to ask a lot of questions, too.

God bless!
Elizabeth
 
😃 Welcome home JM. God’s blessings to one and all in helping you along thus far. You are truely rich & blest.

Shalom!:dancing:
 
Well JM,
As what I expect to be my final post on this thread, :crying: I think I’m going to go through withdrawals! But I also agree with you. This thread is finished. I was going to suggest the same thing yesterday, so as much as I don’t want it to be over, it is!

May I make my final suggestion?

I like to encourage you to keep a journal, perhaps starting with copies of these pages showing all that you recorded here. You have been through an incredible journey and it would be a shame to not retain for later reflection all that you have encountered.

Oh, and don’t worry about the G-D thing, you’ll be ready to type his full name when and only when you are ready.

God Bless you.

to Elizabeth Joy, I look forward to seeing you around. Take care and good luck on your upcoming move.

See ya around,

CARose
 
I don’t want to but in, but I wanted to mention about writing out God vs G-d. I didnt read all 700 posts so I dont know if it was covered. Letters are only a representation or symbol to visually evoke “sound.” So whether or not you use one symbol or another, by typing G o d or G - d, there literally is no difference. The intent is the same, to tell who ever is reading that you want them to know that you are writing about God.

It’s probably been said but it’s just something that popped into my head.
 
I know that I am going through withdrawals, too, but what a joyful conclusion to this thread!! God bless you, JM. And God bless all who have been in on this wonderful journey.

PS: About the 👋 “G-d” thing?: I find it deeply refreshing, in a world that seems to throw what is holy about.This gets worse & worse , day by day.I find your use of “G-d” a reminder that God is indeed holy, & that His name needs to be treated as such.
God bless.:yup:
 
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Jew_Man_73:
There is something that I want to say very badly. I believe that the time has come for me to post it here, on this thread. After researching the Church, praying, talking on here, reading the Gospels, and talking to my two priest friends:

I BELIEVE THAT YESHUA IS THE FULFILLMENT OF ALL THE PROPHECIES IN THE TANAKH. I BELIEVE THAT HE WAS CRUCIFIED, DIED, AND ROSE ON THE THIRD DAY IN ORDER TO PROVIDE ME WITH ETERNAL LIFE WITH G-D. I BELIEVE THAT HE WAS BORN TO THE VIRGIN MIRIAM, AND THAT SHE HAS A SPECIAL PLACE IN HEAVEN AND WATCHES OVER ALL THOSE WHO LOVE HER. I BELIEVE THAT YESHUA AND MIRIAM LOVE ME, AND WANT ME TO SPENT ETERNITY WITH THEM AND G-D IN HEAVEN.

My hands were shaking like crazy as I typed this!
It took me a whole week to read this thread. I have tears of joy for you JM73! You are trully blessed.

No matter what people say, you are still a Jew, a true Jew who believed in his Jewish savior. So there is really no point in changing your screen name, unless you feel like changing it.

Thanks JM73 and to all who contributed in this thread. I’ve learned a lot and it makes me more proud to be called a catholic.

There will be ups and downs in your new found faith. Whenever you feel down you can always call on our Mother Miriam to comfort you like a true mother comfort her children. You also always have Jesus our savior to help you. God bless.
 
I browsed much of this thread, what struck me originally was the email I recieved about it, “a seeking Jew.” I have worked for Jews, and at a time when I have never needed family more, I found that all the rumors of Jews were false at least in this situation, I was respected, and cared for better than I have ever been. What I am trying to say is in my experience none of the people or family seemed to be,“seeking.” we all pretty much knew what was what.

Then as I read the string it was said you felt lost, “I think that is the gist of it.” and had recently returned to your family religion Judaism. Then I read that you had cried at Mass.

Ok, this is hard for me. I come from a very old large Catholic family. I studied Latin up till the 6th grade, I was Knights of Columbus, Altare Dei, and went to seminary. I always had problems with the structure mainly because of the constant change at the time, yet it was a sanctuary. If I ever had problems I could go to church pray the rosary, do mass, and I felt better. This includes of course confession, and being part of the church. What I need to express to you after all of this is be very careful what you are looking for, religion, and family are 2 very different things. My Mother, and I are the only left immediatly that have any Catholic faith, and there were 13 of us. My brother recently refered to Catholicism as idol worship, but I cannot be angry with him because he has found family, and a better life in his latter years evangelically, that and I would never hold a grudge for someones beliefs.

What I am trying to say is although the Apostolic Church (Catholic) has one of the oldest family backgrounds in organized Christianity, this does not mean that family automatically comes with the church (faith). I spend much time with very good men who have been married Catholic, raised well sized, and cared for Catholic families, and have been dumped like so little garbage, never by the church, but by family.

Heres a little something that might help you in your search, a very kind Jewish elder emailed it to me.

Judges 6:14-16 (King James Version)
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14And the LORD looked upon him, and said, Go in this thy might, and thou shalt save Israel from the hand of the Midianites: have not I sent thee?
15And he said unto him, Oh my Lord, wherewith shall I save Israel? behold, my family is poor in Manasseh, and I am the least in my father’s house.
16And the LORD said unto him, Surely I will be with thee, and thou shalt smite the Midianites as one man.

I hope this made sense, I am searching at a very late age, as I always have. The only thing I have that foundates me is the belief in the Apostolic Church. I’m a Catholic.
 
Jew_Man… Truely inspiring! How awesome it is to see the Holy Spirit at work first hand. You now have one unique aspect in common with Christ that a great many Chrisitians don’t have, your Jewish backgrounds 🙂 Congratulations!

Regarding your desire to understand the Eucharist more fully: I have got to ask if you have read The Forth Cup yet. It’s available online at the following URL: christianideas.org/thefourthcup.htm
It presents a very interesting perspecitive on the Eucharist, Passover and Christ’s crucifixtion. If you have a chance, though I’m sure you have enough to read as it is, let us know what your thoughts are.

God Bless and welcome home!
 
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Jew_Man_73:
I’m going to stop posting on this thread. This has evolved into much more than I ever anticipated, and has been a definite blessing for me. I believe that the purpose for this thread has not only been served, but served above and beyond my highest expectations.



Shalom Ha Moshiach, brothers and sisters!
Jew_Man_73,

Certain personal events prevented me from coming to the forum for the last several days. I think you’re right that this thread has run its course. Anything further is probably best handled in a new one.

I hope we encounter each other again in the forum.

May the peace of the Messiah be with your spirit as well.
 
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Jew_Man_73:
God Bless you and may you find the truth. :gopray2:
Thank you very much. I just started to post today, and already I have received many encouraging and loving replies. I never had much of a foundation in Christianity, my foundation has been in Judaism. You don’t have to be Jewish to have an idea of what I’m going through. My Jewish faith is leaving me hollow. Reading the TANAKH and the Talmud is unfulfilling. Observing the dietary laws leaves me feeling empty, as does attending Shabbat. That’s why I quit going. Thank you for your prayers. They mean alot.
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Our Catholic foundation is in Judaism too! I am fascinated by the Jewish religion, probably for this reason, especially ancient Jewish life and I find it fascinating learn about how it is lived today.

There are a few talkshows on EWTN which i love to watch. One of them once had a lady whose family was Jewish but she converted to protestantism. Her brother had just become Catholic and she went into a Catholic Church. She was dismayed, and confused, she told him it "looks just like a temple with a crucifix above the altar… He looked at her smiling and said “EXACTLY”

The Show called “the Journey Home” is another great one. Marcus Grodi was an evangelical minister who converted to Catholocism and his guests are Catholic Converts who come from every walk of life, from Athiests to Buddists, Jews, Muslims protestants-you name it. He once had a Jewish man who calledhimself a “Completed Jew” He was happy that he found the Savior but did not have to give up his Jewish heritage. Did you know that many Jewish converts continue to keep traditions like wearing their prayer stoles and yamicas (did I spell that right) etc. Most of the Apostles were Jews. I like to say I have a Jewish saviour and a Jewish Mother. (Mary)

Anyway, I havent’ read all the posts here, they’re extensive. I just wanted to welcome you and say I hope you are enjoying the forums!
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rayne89:
I recommend you contact Rosalind Moss who is a Jewish convert to Catholicism

forum.catholic.com/member.php?u=19

Here’s a link to some tapes by her.
stjosephradio.com/pages/tapes/rosalind-moss.htm

Here’s some background on her.
catholicexchange.com/vm/index.asp?art_id=6485
Oh wow, Rosalind Moss is the lady I was talking about in my previous post!!!
 
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theMutant:
The recommendation to watching the Passion of the Christ reminded me of one thing I heard from a Jewish Catholic. There is a tradition that anyone who hangs from a tree is cursed by God (or something to that effect) and that, since Jesus was crucified, many Jews understand this to mean that he could not have been the Messiah.

From the Catholic perspective, however, we look at it as God’s compassion and mercy. All covenants have curses that apply when the covenant is broken. An example of this is the proclivity to sin, and being subject to death being the consequence (the curse) of Adam’s sin. God, in His infinite mercy, God realized that no man would be able to bear the full burden of that covenant curse. He therefore, took the curse upon Himself, becoming man and submitting to crucifixion so that he could, as man, fulfill the curse of the covenant that came upon man through Adam.

In doing this, He took upon himself that portion of the curse which man was unable to bear. It only remains for us to accept it and the Graces which became available through His Sacrifice on our behalf.
I heard from a theologian that The tree used for the cross came from the same tree that grew over where Adam was buried which is also in the same place where the healing waters were (where the ill would go, the Holy Spirit would cause the waters to move and the first person to bathe in the water would be healed, but there was noone there to help a lame man get to the water. Jesus cured him.) I am going to look this up, but does anyone know about this tradition, or can youclarify the story?

I also find this an interesting dicotomy, that Judas, after betraying Jesus hung himself from a tree, and then Jesus was crucified to a tree. I will need to contemplate this for awhile.
 
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Jew_Man_73:
By the way, isn’t there a verse in the New Testament somewhere that states that the angels in Heaven rejoice whenever someone accepts Yeshua as their Savior? Can anyone tell me where that verse is?
I don’t have the exact verse, but I do know there is one that speaks of the Angels rejoicing in Heaven whever someone repents of sin. Something along the lines that there is more rejoicing in Heaven over a single sinner who repents than over a thousand of the just who don’t need to repent. This is because the just are doing what should be done. There is praise for them, surely, but there is more praise for those who have abandoned the worldly pleasures of sinfulness and chosen to join the just on the road to heaven.
 
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