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Hello,
I suppose I am a “Protestant” as I call myself Presbyterian, was baptised by pouring at the hands of a non-denominational deacon and attend a Congregational Methodist Church:)
I recently had a friend give me a “Saint Joseph Missal” from the RC Church, I have been using it as a daily prayer aid and have found it most useful. My question would be is the Saint Joseph Missal the Catholic equiv of the Anglican Book of Common Prayer? I also have the Anglican book but will have to admit the St Joseph Missal is (in my opinion) ten times more useful to my spiritual life.
Thanks for any answers and for listening.
William Potter
 
There are some similarities, since they are both Christian prayer books and have liturgical rites in them. But 'equivalent"? No The Anglican book is liturgically watered-down and definitely different from the Catholic St. Joseph Missal. Anglicans may or may not believe in the Mass, and their rites are only superficially like the Catholic ones. Their clergy are not validly ordained, while the Catholic clergy are.
 
katy said:
There are some similarities, since they are both Christian prayer books and have liturgical rites in them. But 'equivalent"? No The Anglican book is liturgically watered-down and definitely different from the Catholic St. Joseph Missal. Anglicans may or may not believe in the Mass, and their rites are only superficially like the Catholic ones. Their clergy are not validly ordained, while the Catholic clergy are.
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Thank you for the answer:)
I have never attended an Anglican church but I will say that their Revised Book of Common Prayer did not do alot for me spiritually.
Saint Joseph Daily Missal I am very fond of however. I have been using it for my nightly scripture study/prayer and also for sunday morning readings. A surprising thing for a “Protestant” to say, I suppose:D I really just consider myself a Christian however and when I was baptised it was with reciting the Apostles Creed and the Deacon said “I baptise you into the one holy Church of God” so I am really a member of no denomination, protestant or otherwise.
WP
 
sandmountainsli said:
Hello,
I suppose I am a “Protestant” as I call myself Presbyterian, was baptised by pouring at the hands of a non-denominational deacon and attend a Congregational Methodist Church:)
I recently had a friend give me a “Saint Joseph Missal” from the RC Church, I have been using it as a daily prayer aid and have found it most useful. My question would be is the Saint Joseph Missal the Catholic equiv of the Anglican Book of Common Prayer? I also have the Anglican book but will have to admit the St Joseph Missal is (in my opinion) ten times more useful to my spiritual life.
Thanks for any answers and for listening.
William Potter
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I think this is a thread for the Liturgy forum 🙂​

As a former Anglican, I have immense affection for the Book of Common Prayer - I miss it.

The difference between the BCP & the Roman Missal, is that the BCP includes equivalents of many liturgical celebrations than the Missal. The Mass is just one sacrament out of seven, whereas the BCP includes the Catechism, Articles of Religion, the Psalter, rites for the administration of Baptism, Ordination, Matrimony, a form for [what amounts to certain parts of] Confession, as well as Morning & Evening Prayer; & some other services.

So they can’t really be compared - they have different functions. The great strength of the BCP is that one does not have to take a dozen or so different books with one - one of the drawbacks with the RC books, is that there are three or four volumes for the Liturgy of the Hours alone.

That’s not a wholly fair comparison, because the Anglican Liturgy of the Hours (for example) does not include all the elements one finds in the RC books. Though it does draw on several pre-Reformation books, including the reformed Breviary of Cardinal Quinones (which did not survive Trent, IIRC). ##
 
You might want to check into that baptism. It should have been “I baptize you in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit”. God himself isn’t bound by what he told us to do, but we are, and we should act accordingly. If you think God may be calling you to the Catholic Church, just speak with a priest you feel comfortable with, or ask a practicing Catholic to introduce you. No one will drag you to the font or insult the good faith beliefs of others. God bless.
 
katy said:
You might want to check into that baptism. It should have been “I baptize you in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit”. God himself isn’t bound by what he told us to do, but we are, and we should act accordingly. If you think God may be calling you to the Catholic Church, just speak with a priest you feel comfortable with, or ask a practicing Catholic to introduce you. No one will drag you to the font or insult the good faith beliefs of others. God bless.
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Those words were used.
I recited the Creed and the deacon said.
I baptise you into the One Holy Church of God.
He then poured the water three times in the name of the Father ,Son and Holy Spirit.
WP
 
Thanks for the clarification. It sounds as tho it was fine, then. Not that I am the final arbiter of anything at all, just a bit concerned that you received what you asked for from the officiant.
 
Thank you for the kindness in answering.
I may indeed attend a Mass one day.
There are very few Catholics in my area but a very dear personal friend is Catholic and the local head of the KOC.
I was raised as a Baptist with Presbyterian tendancies but since my childhood most BC in my area have “modernized” into fancy concert hall type churches with drum music and other things which I don’t agree with in worship and Presbyterian churches do not exist.
Hence my attendance at the C-Methodist Church which still only uses hymns not performed by a 'Christian Rock" band:)
The Methodists have been most kind to me even though I am not a member of their church.
 
If you do go to Mass, you may find parts of it sounding familiar. I went to a communion service in a Methodist Church (not sure what variety) with a friend, and was startled to hear some of the words from a part of the Mass. I checked the attributions section of the book and one of them was the Roman Missal. 🙂 Go figure.
 
Catholics, Methodists, Episcopalians/Anglicans, Lutherans, and many Presbyterians all use the same Lectionary. If you attend a Catholic Mass or a service at the Protestant Churches I mentioned, the readings will in most cases be the same on any given Sunday. I found this out because I volunteer at a ecumenical Mission meal for the poor that is held at a Methodist Church (with Catholics, Lutherans, and Presbyterians also participating). The Methodist minister always reads the Gospel reading for the next Sunday (the mission meal is held on Thursdays). I noticed that the reading was always the same one I would hear in Church on Sunday. I asked the minister, and he said it’s because the Lectionary is the same.
 
lak611 said:
Catholics, Methodists, Episcopalians/Anglicans, Lutherans, and many Presbyterians all use the same Lectionary. If you attend a Catholic Mass or a service at the Protestant Churches I mentioned, the readings will in most cases be the same on any given Sunday. I found this out because I volunteer at a ecumenical Mission meal for the poor that is held at a Methodist Church (with Catholics, Lutherans, and Presbyterians also participating). The Methodist minister always reads the Gospel reading for the next Sunday (the mission meal is held on Thursdays). I noticed that the reading was always the same one I would hear in Church on Sunday. I asked the minister, and he said it’s because the Lectionary is the same.
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Now that is interesting.
Do the Catholics recite Apostle’s Creed during services and have responsive readings as the Methodists do?
WP
 
Gottle_of_Geer said:

I think this is a thread for the Liturgy forum 🙂​

As a former Anglican, I have immense affection for the Book of Common Prayer - I miss it.

The difference between the BCP & the Roman Missal, is that the BCP includes equivalents of many liturgical celebrations than the Missal. The Mass is just one sacrament out of seven, whereas the BCP includes the Catechism, Articles of Religion, the Psalter, rites for the administration of Baptism, Ordination, Matrimony, a form for [what amounts to certain parts of] Confession, as well as Morning & Evening Prayer; & some other services.
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have never seen BCP, but my Daily Missal, besides the order of the Mass, and basic prayers, also has the rite for Baptism, the Rite for Confirmation, order for Funerals etc. Maybe it depends on the edition what is included. Is the BCP something the average “Anglican in the pews” would carry with them, or intended only for clergy? When I was a child in Catholic school we were required to have a St. Joseph missal and take it to Mass, it was the usual first Communion or Confirmation gift.
 
I expect it would be quite familiar in many parts. However, our main focus is not so much on the sermon/homily as on the worship of God in the Sacrament. Also, we tend to be a bit more, oh shall we say, active. You can sit quietly, however, and no one will think anything of it. There are always vsitors, and regulars who do the same for various reasons. If you do attend, it would be interesting to have your initial take on it. If you want to.
 
katy said:
I expect it would be quite familiar in many parts. However, our main focus is not so much on the sermon/homily as on the worship of God in the Sacrament. Also, we tend to be a bit more, oh shall we say, active. You can sit quietly, however, and no one will think anything of it. There are always vsitors, and regulars who do the same for various reasons. If you do attend, it would be interesting to have your initial take on it. If you want to.
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I will be glad to do so if I get to attend.
However there is only one Catholic church in my county and the services are held in Espanol which I do not speak, so I shall have to travel to attend Mass.
WP
 
Gottle_of_Geer said:

I think this is a thread for the Liturgy forum 🙂​

As a former Anglican, I have immense affection for the Book of Common Prayer - I miss it.

The difference between the BCP & the Roman Missal, is that the BCP includes equivalents of many liturgical celebrations than the Missal. The Mass is just one sacrament out of seven, whereas the BCP includes the Catechism, Articles of Religion, the Psalter, rites for the administration of Baptism, Ordination, Matrimony, a form for [what amounts to certain parts of] Confession, as well as Morning & Evening Prayer; & some other services.

So they can’t really be compared - they have different functions. The great strength of the BCP is that one does not have to take a dozen or so different books with one - one of the drawbacks with the RC books, is that there are three or four volumes for the Liturgy of the Hours alone.

That’s not a wholly fair comparison, because the Anglican Liturgy of the Hours (for example) does not include all the elements one finds in the RC books. Though it does draw on several pre-Reformation books, including the reformed Breviary of Cardinal Quinones (which did not survive Trent, IIRC). ##
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Gottle of Geer,

Try getting the Book of Divine Worship, which in response to one of the OP’s querys, is, strictly speaking, the Catholic equivalent of the BCP and is in use for authorized Catholic Anglican Use parishes.

Go here:

atonementonline.com/GiftNook/GiftNook.php
 
katy said:
Yes, we do. The responsive reading is a psalm.
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We recite the Nicence Creed rather than the Apostles’ Creed. We also have general intercessions, where we pray for various people and things right after the Nicene Creed and before the Offertory.
 
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