Question: Is gay marriage sinful?

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Can’t we just admit that one person’s grave sin is another’s perfectly acceptable or tolerable act? LGBT causes have minimal effect on society whereas drunkenness, abuse, and rape break people’s lives and society. There are few people that follow the laws of the Bible, some of them silly or contradictory, in full.

I’ve never really understood why rape is blown off as guys being guys or she was wasted or wearing “suggestive” clothing and therefore partially guilty. While at the same time LGBT issues are used as campaign fodder.
 
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The marriage wouldn’t even be valid as its impossible for two men or women to get married.
Impossible within the Church. Completely possible outside of the Church in many places in the world today. And completely valid, in those cases. Remember, the Catholic church doesn’t have a monopolly on the definition of the word “valid”.
 
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I’m sure that straight Hindu couples in India must be thrilled to know that the Catholic Church considers their marriages to be valid.
 
I’ve never really understood why rape is blown off a
I’ve never heard of rape being “blown off” at all.

Its always been a serious crime with serious punishment attached including the electric chair.
 
I’m sure that straight Hindu couples in India must be thrilled to know that the Catholic Church considers their marriages to be valid.
Doesn’t Hinduism consider Catholic marriages to be valid?
 
Well, I think both homosexual marriage and crimes are not good for society. I’m not really sure why you would contrast the two unless just to make homosexual actions seem like NBD. I think people would find the idea that “rape is ok if she wears revealing clothes” a lot more awful than homosexual actions. Does someone actually believe that-that rape is ok?
 
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Like when homosexual activists try to force religious artists, florists, and bakers to do something against their will?
 
To quote my soon to be married friend on this; “we don’t want a homophobe baker or photographer for our wedding; those laws are to make sure some homophobe nurse or ambulance driver or teacher can’t deny us access”. Yes it covers all bases, but anti-discrimination laws tend to.
 
Like when homosexual activists try to force religious artists, florists, and bakers to do something against their will?
Good point.

Homosexual for years said they just wanted to be left alone to engage in the type of sexual relations they prefer.

But they don’t have the same tolerance for the religious preferences of other people as they demanded for their sexual preferences.
 
Like when homosexual activists try to force religious artists, florists, and bakers to do something against their will?
It’s always about exclusion. Those are public busnisses. You don’t have to agree to supply a product. I’m guessing your okay with not serving people of color as well? Look if that’s how Christians want to act that’s fine, but I promise you to the rest of the world you come off just like people who refused to serve black customers in the civil rights era. Just don’t be surprised if the church continues to loose sway and is marginalized.
 
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I’m sure that straight Hindu couples in India must be thrilled to know that the Catholic Church considers their marriages to be valid.
Doesn’t Hinduism consider Catholic marriages to be valid?
I doubt that most religions have any official doctrine about whether marriages in other religions are “valid” or not. Most religions are not as hierarchical as Catholicism and don’t have a magisterium to establish official doctrine.

In general, almost no one who is not Catholic cares what the Catholic Church thinks about their marriages.
 
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I’ve never heard of rape being “blown off” at all.

Its always been a serious crime with serious punishment attached including the electric chair.
Date rape is rape and much more common that the scary man at the door waiting rape a woman all alone. Date rape is what gets blown off way too often.
Does someone actually believe that-that rape is ok?
No, but it’s the attention LGBT issues get vs things like rape.
Homosexual for years said they just wanted to be left alone to engage in the type of sexual relations they prefer. But they don’t have the same tolerance for the religious preferences of other people as they demanded for their sexual preferences.
We are letting a some very high profile or frequently repeated cases inform our experience of the situation. The vast majority of transactions occur without anyone caring about the private lives of each other. If we are going to Tit that Tat, you just have to look at the cases of Hobby Lobby and Chick-fil-A. These are both large corporations that somehow now have a religion, this is much different than the baker who doesn’t want to make a cake. This is really not a path we want to continue down. You might also want to consider that religion has been attacking gays and lesbians for years; a little blow back might be expected now wouldn’t it?
 
False comparison. They will sell cakes and flowers to homosexuals and black people. This is about an artist not agreeing with homosexual “marriage”(an action)and activists attempting to use govt force to try to get them to agree or at least comply with their actions against a person’s religious beliefs. Its bigotry.
 
Actually the laws covering services, including photography and flower arrangements which is what the “art” in question tends to be, is there to protect people involved. As explained earlier those are the same laws that ensure an ambulance officer can’t refuse service to homosexual folks, or a teacher, for a nurse. These laws protect lives. They cover all service fields out of necessity and they’re the same laws that stop people of colour being refused service.
 
you just have to look at the cases of Hobby Lobby and Chick-fil-A. These are both large corporations that somehow now have a religion, this is much different than the baker who doesn’t want to make a cake
Corporations are just groups of people investing their money for a common cause. Since people have religions, why do you think its remarkable that a corporation would too?

I think the main difference here is that the Gay Community chose the baker because he’s a little guy who really doesn’t have the means to defend himself against them. Do battle with a major corporation, they can fight back.
 
I’m a huge fan of Pope Francis and his approach of gentleness on issues but Saint John Paul 2 and Benedict had some pretty strong words about homosexual marriage/unions.

All Catholics are “obliged to oppose the legal recognition of homosexual unions” and where such unions are given the legal status and rights that belong to marriage, “clear and emphatic opposition is a duty,” said St. Pope John Paul II in a 2003 letter issued by then-Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger

http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/c...cfaith_doc_20030731_homosexual-unions_en.html

It’s hard to dispute the arguments laid out in the document as Benedict and John Paul 2 clearly don’t seem motivated by a spirit of discrimination.
 
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False comparison. They will sell cakes and flowers to homosexuals and black people. This is about an artist not agreeing with homosexual “marriage”(an action)and activists attempting to use govt force to try to get them to agree or at least comply with their actions against a person’s religious beliefs. Its bigotry.
What? The issue is literally that they don’t want to sell cakes and flowers to homosexuals. The government cant force you to agree with something personally. That’s the point. Treat the homosexual couple professionally the same way you would a heterosexual couple. You can feel whatever you want, just don’t deny services.
 
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