Question: Is gay marriage sinful?

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I’m going to have to disagree with you. These aren’t people trying to discriminate based on hatred.

Saint John Paul 2 wrote:

In those situations where homosexual unions have been legally recognized or have been given the legal status and rights belonging to marriage, clear and emphatic opposition is a duty. One must refrain from any kind of formal cooperation in the enactment or application of such gravely unjust laws and, as far as possible, from material cooperation on the level of their application. In this area, everyone can exercise the right to conscientious objection.
 
No, its not about homosexuals or heterosexuals. Its literally just about religious views on marriage. The baker would sell cakes to gay people, just not a custom wedding cake. He wouldn’t sell a custom wedding cake to a heterosexual couple for their son’s gay “wedding”.
 
Mtdobbs said:
Saint John Paul 2 wrote:

In those situations where homosexual unions have been legally recognized or have been given the legal status and rights belonging to marriage, clear and emphatic opposition is a duty. One must refrain from any kind of formal cooperation in the enactment or application of such gravely unjust laws and, as far as possible, from material cooperation on the level of their application. In this area, everyone can exercise the right to conscientious objection .
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That’s horrible.
 
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No, its not about homosexuals or heterosexuals. Its literally just about religious views on marriage. The baker would sell cakes to gay people, just not a custom wedding cake. He wouldn’t sell a custom wedding cake to a heterosexual couple for their son’s gay “wedding”
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Right. The baker is denying service based on sexual orientation. That’s not good.
 
No hes denying A service based on the content of the customization which goes against his religious beliefs. He wouldn’t sell it to a hetero couple either.
 
The whole thing. Its just such a terrible spot for Christians to be in. These are people we are talking about. People born this way who fall in love. How would they feel reading that?
 
The baker is conscientiously objecting to something that is against their sincerely held relogious beliefs. Like a pharmacist who objects to distributing the plan b pill or a nurse who refuses to take part in surgical abortions. A Catholic, in good conscience, should be allowed to object to things that are completely against their religious beliefs. The baker can refer another baker. The nurse can refer another nurse. Pharmacist can refer another one.
 
He would customize a heterosexual cake for a heterosexual couple and not a homosexual one for a homosexual couple. It is descrimination on the basis of sexual orientation. How is it not?
 
A Catholic baker could easily not bake a cake for a wedding for a divorced couple remarrying without an annulment. The argument against his conscience could be the same. It’s not about sexual orientation.
 
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If the baker makes the cake and takes the money from a homosexual couple do you believe he has sinned?
 
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A Catholic baker could easily not bake a cake for a wedding for a divorced couple remarrying without an annulment. The argument against his conscience could be the same. It’s not about sexual orientation
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Lol oh please like those two are treated equally.
 
Are you divorced without an annulment? Because I am. And if a catholic friend who was a baker refused me a cake on religious grounds, myself personally, I would accept it.

When I talk about these issues, I’m not on the outside looking in. I too find myself in a situation that is contrary to Catholic teaching. I struggle with this everyday, not comparing it to the pains a homosexual person would feel, but I know what it feels like to have my hands tied by the teachings of the Church.
 
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I’m married but have never been divorced. Look I get it it’s a tough situation. I have set through many Protestant services before I was Catholic where divorced preachers preached against homosexuals. It’s very common especially where I live. The Orthodox allow one divorce and preach against gay marriage. I’m very familiar with the Catholic annulment process. You may never admit it but it has turned into basically an approved divorce, especially in the U.S. I appreciate that you take the church’s position on divorce seriously, I really do it shows your not a hypocrite but a whole lot of Catholics don’t, but still rail on homosexual marriage.
 
I wasn’t trying to rail on homosexual marriage. I’m sorry if it came across that way. As a person who was ostracized by my super orthodox family for my divorce, I feel a real spiritual bond with homosexuals and their struggles, not that mine compares. I was posting what Saint John Paul 2 said about the issue and conscientiously objecting. I said that I liked Pope Francis’ approach of gentleness and mercy as it was what I needed in my life to help me through a lot of things.

It is fathers day, and it’s a hard day for me as I am not with my kids. If I came across as harsh, again I apologize. I am far from perfect and am dealing with pains in my own life ( as I know we all are)

I would be the first person to come to the defence of homosexuals (my posts in other threads would attest to this). I just don’t know what my position is on gay marriage, that’s why I just posted What a John Paul 2 said.
 
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I agree that too many people focus on the speck in their brothers eye without noticing the log in their own.
 
I truly respect that. I’m sorry for what your going through brother. That’s tough.
 
I owe an apology too. I get worked up around this issue and come off too strong at times. My bad
 
Mtdobbs said:
In those situations where homosexual unions have been legally recognized or have been given the legal status and rights belonging to marriage, clear and emphatic opposition is a duty. One must refrain from any kind of formal cooperation in the enactment or application of such gravely unjust laws and, as far as possible, from material cooperation on the level of their application. In this area, everyone can exercise the right to conscientious objection.
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In what way are civil same-sex marriages “unjust”?
 
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