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What is SSPX?

and why does it seem to have a negative umm…yeah…
 
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ReflectHim:
What is SSPX?

and why does it seem to have a negative umm…yeah…
The SSPX is the Society of St. Pius X. They are a group of priests and I believe 4 bishops who offer the Tridentine Mass exclusively. They tend to set up chapels for the Tridentine Mass in a diocese without the permission of the bishop of that diocese, which is a big no no.

They tend to be very conservative/traditional Catholics when it comes to doctrine. You won’t find them pushing for acceptance of artificial birth control or women priests.

But they do have a huge problem with the virtue of obedience - as witnessed by their refusal to submit to the local bishop when they set up a chapel in a diocese as well as their ordaining bishops against the express command of JPII. It became such a problem that John Paul II declared that their founder (now deceased) and their current bishops have excommunicated themselves from the Church by their disobedient actions.

The position of the Vatican is that it is ok to attend Mass at an SSPX chapel but it is not ok to join the group or to hold their schismatic mentality.

This is about as much as a can simplify it. There are many, many complex issues involved. and whenever the topic of the SSPX comes up the discussion can get very heated.

God bless,

James
 
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thistle:
You are wrong and Petergee is right. He did not say 10%. He said 0.1% which is 1.2 million.
Am not.

0.1 is 10%

If you want to express it as 1%, it’s 0.01.

Good grief, I can’t believe I’m even responding to this. :nope:
 
Dr. Bombay:
Am not.

0.1 is 10%

If you want to express it as 1%, it’s 0.01.

Good grief, I can’t believe I’m even responding to this. :nope:
I can’t believe it either, because you’re only making yourself look even sillier. Maybe you were away the day they discussed percentages in primary school. I’ll explain it slowly:

0.1% = 0.001 = 1 part per thousand.

There are about 1.2 billion (= 1.2 thousand million = 1,200,000,000) Catholics in the world.

Thus 0.1% of the Catholics in the world = about 1.2 million = 1,200,000 people.
 
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Petergee:
I can’t believe it either, because you’re only making yourself look even sillier. Maybe you were away the day they discussed percentages in primary school. I’ll explain it slowly:

0.1% = 0.001 = 1 part per thousand.

There are about 1.2 billion (= 1.2 thousand million = 1,200,000,000) Catholics in the world.

Thus 0.1% of the Catholics in the world = about 1.2 million = 1,200,000 people.
Wrongo Petergee , 0.1=10%. Awfully easy mistake to make old man, sorry. But it is that way all across the civilized world and maybe even in Australia 🙂

Guess you didn’t pass those O Levels in Math

Ta Ta and Cheerio
 
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palmas85:
Wrongo Petergee , 0.1=10%. Awfully easy mistake to make old man, sorry. But it is that way all across the civilized world and maybe even in Australia 🙂

Guess you didn’t pass those O Levels in Math

Ta Ta and Cheerio
No. You are wrong. If Petergee had said 0.1 it would then be 120 million but he said 0.1% which is 1.2 million.
 
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James0235:
The position of the Vatican is that it is ok to attend Mass at an SSPX chapel but it is not ok to join the group or to hold their schismatic mentality.
Actually, there are only very strict circumstances in which you may attend a Mass being offered by a schismatic SSPX priest. The late pope has started the FSSP, or the Priestly Society of St Peter as an alternative to the SSPX, whose priests only submit to the Roman Pontiff (and not the local bishop). The only case in which you may receive the Eucharist at the SSPX chapels is if there is the threat of death and no other priests can be contacted. At this point they may even administer the anointing of the sick. But this is only under very rigid circumstances which in day to day life doesn’t matter for you or me. Even if there was not a local Latin-rite parish or other Eastern Catholic Church around, you still would not need to go to an SSPX chapel for your Sunday obligation (which isn’t the case for most SSPX chapels, because they tend to setup in other bishops’ diocese without their consent or approval and disobediently continue to call themselves Roman Catholics to confuse the faithful). Absolution for penance given by SSPX priests is also invalid because they do not submit to their local ordinary. There was a letter from one cardinal which addressed this, and which many SSPX adherents use to justify their schism, but in fact was addressed to one person for a specific situation.
 
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palmas85:
Wrongo Petergee , 0.1=10%. Awfully easy mistake to make old man, sorry. But it is that way all across the civilized world and maybe even in Australia 🙂

Guess you didn’t pass those O Levels in Math

Ta Ta and Cheerio
I am a math major. 0.1% = 1/10 per 100 or (1/10) * (1/100) = 0.001

Assuming 1,200,000,000 as previously mentioned, we have (1,200,000,000 * 0.001) or (1,200,000,000 * (1/10) * (1/100) ) = 1,200,000.

The percentage sign (%) pretty much means divide by 100. 🙂

John
 
Dr. Bombay:
No. The old Latin Mass was never permitted to be said in English, or any of the other vulgar tongues (English being the most vulgar, of course.)
Not so fast, good doctor. I’ve heard talk on other TLM threads that there existed an indult to celebrate the TLM in something like Croatian (yes, I’m such a philistine that all Eastern Europeans are the same to me).
 
Semper Fi:
Actually, there are only very strict circumstances in which you may attend a Mass being offered by a schismatic SSPX priest. The late pope has started the FSSP, or the Priestly Society of St Peter as an alternative to the SSPX, whose priests only submit to the Roman Pontiff (and not the local bishop). The only case in which you may receive the Eucharist at the SSPX chapels is if there is the threat of death and no other priests can be contacted. At this point they may even administer the anointing of the sick. But this is only under very rigid circumstances which in day to day life doesn’t matter for you or me. Even if there was not a local Latin-rite parish or other Eastern Catholic Church around, you still would not need to go to an SSPX chapel for your Sunday obligation (which isn’t the case for most SSPX chapels, because they tend to setup in other bishops’ diocese without their consent or approval and disobediently continue to call themselves Roman Catholics to confuse the faithful). Absolution for penance given by SSPX priests is also invalid because they do not submit to their local ordinary. There was a letter from one cardinal which addressed this, and which many SSPX adherents use to justify their schism, but in fact was addressed to one person for a specific situation.
Wrong. Quit trying to be more Catholic than Cardinal Hoyos. BTW, the letter you refer to is from a Mgr. not a Cardinal. Credibility = low.

michnews.com/artman/publish/article_10773.shtml

Re: Confessions:
sspx.org/miscellaneous/supplied_jurisdiction.htm
 
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EddieArent:
Wrong. Quit trying to be more Catholic than Cardinal Hoyos. BTW, the letter you refer to is from a Mgr. not a Cardinal. Credibility = low.

michnews.com/artman/publish/article_10773.shtml

Re: Confessions:
sspx.org/miscellaneous/supplied_jurisdiction.htm
When you stop trying to be more Catholic than a pope, John Paul the Great to be exact. Cardinal Hoyos’ verb tense has been explained to you. They ARE formally schismatic, the Arch and the bishops ARE excommunicated, and they are utterly without faculties. They DON’T have supplied jurisdiction. Stop trying to mislead the faithful. Do I need to post Ecclesia Dei? Why don’t you pray for them to come back, Eddie, instead of wasing time fantasizing that they never left?
 
Palmas85 wrote:
Wrongo Petergee , 0.1=10%. Awfully easy mistake to make old man, sorry. But it is that way all across the civilized world and maybe even in Australia 🙂

Guess you didn’t pass those O Levels in Math
Inasmuch as I live in Australia, perhaps I could point out what an Australian might see:

Petergee wrote:
supporters of the Tridentine Rite (also called, misleadingly, “Traditional Latin Mass” or “TLM”) in fact constitute less than 0.1% of Catholics
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Dr Bombay wrote in direct response to THAT:
Dude, I’m not a math whiz, but 10% of 1.2 billion is 120 million, not 1.2 million.
Both quoted percentages, but Dr Bombay mis-quoted Petergee’s
figure - “0.1%”!!!

Just confirming: In Australia we do NOT believe that 0.1% is the same as 10%!
 
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