Question on baptism and being saved

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Once your saved your always saved right? Even if you committed a mortal sin and die or have lived a major sinful life and turn against God. You know after your baptized or something?
 
Well, Jesus said that not everyone who calls me Lord, Lord, will enter into the kingdom of heaven, but those who do the will of God.

He also said “If anyone would come after me, let him deny himself and take up his cross daily and follow me."

Following after Jesus happens on a daily basis. Baptism isn’t like an insurance policy with a guaranteed pay-out at the end. Baptism is a commitment to follow Christ.

If a person knowingly and on purpose leads a sinful life without regards to God, then how can a one time baptism save him/her? But if the person is trying to follow Christ and falls into sin but repents and asks God for forgiveness, God will be forgiving to that person.
 
DLedoux said:
Once your saved your always saved right? Even if you committed a mortal sin and die or have lived a major sinful life and turn against God. You know after your baptized or something?
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If this were true, there would be no need for the sacrament of reconciliation/confession.
 
Once baptized you cannot be “unbaptized”, there is an indelible mark on the soul.

That mark will be there even if the person rejects God and ends up in hell.
 
TheLittleLady said:
Once baptized you cannot be “unbaptized”, there is an indelible mark on the soul.

That mark will be there even if the person rejects God and ends up in hell.
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That would not be correct.

The Church can excommunicate you which still does not effect the validity of your baptism.

Peace
 
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Not actually true. That’s not what excommunication means at all. It means you’re barred from receiving the sacraments. But baptism can never be undone. What seminary did you learn that at, Father?

-Fr ACEGC
 
edward_george1 said:
Not actually true. That’s not what excommunication means at all. It means you’re barred from receiving the sacraments. But baptism can never be undone. What seminary did you learn that at, Father?

-Fr ACEGC
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I believe you are mistaken father.

I will begin by saying that NOTHING can undo a Confirmation or a Baptism. Both leave indelible marks on the soul.
Excommunication is an ecclesiastical penalty that is applied to a person or persons for various public sins. It prohibits a person from taking part in the Sacraments, except for Confession. The confession that lifts the excommunication, however, may be required to be made to a bishop, or even to the pope. It is not itself a condemnation to hell, as only we may condemn ourselves, but it is usually handed down for public, grave sins, which may or may not be mortal, depending on the person’s disposition.

So yeah, excommunication is real and does happen occasionally.
 
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My post had nothing to do with excommunication. Simply that baptism is an indelible mark on the soul.
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Nothing I said contradicts the belief that baptism leaves a indelible mark on the soul. Your second statement however is what is troubling.
 
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That even if a person, after baptism, rejects God and ends up in hell that the indelible mark of baptism remains on the soul?
 
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That even if a person, after baptism, rejects God and ends up in hell that the indelible mark of baptism remains on the soul?
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Yes. I am frankly not sure how much baptism
marks you when you are in Hell. Hell is eternal my friend, and baptism will not help you once your there.
 
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Father, I see you’re new here. I wonder if English is your first or native language, though(?). Your sentiments seem to agree with other posters yet you phrase them in confrontational ways as if you have a disagreement, but I’m struggling to see what your concerns are.
 
So you’re saying the indelible mark of baptism is no longer there in hell but only in this earthly life? Apparently baptism will not help a person once they are in hell, but what does the “indelible mark” of baptism apply to is the question, I believe.
 
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OP. Your statement is the working definition of salvation, if you are an evangelical Protestant. The other posters have correctly stated that it not the teaching of the Catholic Church.
Christ’s action on Calvary redeemed mankind. As to being saved, we work that out one day at a time.
 
You altered your post to say the opposite of what I responded to. Curious.
 
I am a priest, so I would say that respect goes both ways. And I didn’t attack your reputation, I simply pointed out a publicly known fact.

-Fr ACEGC
 
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